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Main Eagleland Discussion
Trev-MUN: A troll by the name of Skelengel attempted to slip in these edits as misinformed Take Thats—
- reason: corrección ortográfica02/May/10 at 01:20 PM by Skelengel 190.246.192.30Changed lines 16 from:[...] A country full of smug uneducated bullies who got real lucky and like to hide behind their inflated military budget. [...]To:[...] country full of smug uneducated bullies (specially with that stuff of calling themselves America, as if the rest of the american countries were asian) who got real lucky and like to hide behind their inflated military budget. [...]
This is the first time I've posted to a discussion (not counting YKTTW's), and my first time reading this particular trope. Going through it, the examples seem REMARKABLY messy too me, more so than other tropes, probably because of the multiple "types". I know I CAN edit them my self, the question I have is, should I, since it looks like a fairly good-sized clean-up should be done.
To make it clear, what I'm talking about is that I would say half or more of the examples under "Type 1" belong in Type 2, or the "mixed type" folder.
So, should I just go ahead, or should I list everything that I feel should be moved first for discussion here, or what?
I'm noticing the link to Blatant Lies from the quote regarding what America is supposed to be built on. Sorry, but that looks too much like America-bashing and Strawman Political to me, so I'm changing the link to Your Mileage May Vary.
Given your first answer, the first part is extremely unsurprising. As to Muck Bugs, there's a rather unappetizing archetype
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The descriptions of the subtropes are a little confusing. The sentiment behind the statement in Big Applesauce is interesting, but then it's repeat in Everything Is Big In Texas kind of kills it, and then it's used again in Hollywood California paradoxically (what, Californians view the rest of America in two seperate, mutually exclusive ways?) It doesn't even work well as an Overly Long Gag... Perhaps some kind of edit is in order? I can't think of a good way to do it besides deleting two out of those three. Suggestions?
How do I deconstruct the Type 1 version of this trope? Type 2 is pretty easy - Team America: World Police did that before.
Posted in Real Life for Type 1:
"It seems like it might be the other way around. The good-natured Flavor 1 is likely to be more culturally sensitive and likely to exhibit a Cultural Cringe and do the whole "pretend you're Canadian" routine. The more brash and disrespectful Type 2 that would be the rude tourist would be more likely to not care and just say they were American."
Yikes. Unfortunate Implications ahoy.
So, not caring what others think, and not being ashamed of your country enough to deny from being there automatically makes you a rude, brash Type 2? It seems as though the poster is insinuating that "good" Americans (Type 1) exhibit the Cultural Cringe (i.e., hate their own country), and "bad" Americans (Type 2) are the ones who are proud to be from it. I was abroad a few years ago (Japan, to be specific); I never even considered pretending to be from Canada, and never expressed disgust with my country's policies or culture. Does that somehow make me a bad person? Is it impossible for an American tourist to be culturally sensitive and patriotic at the same time?
I don't think this belongs on the main page.
In Other for Flavor 2, aoirann wrote,
"Except you know.... The Taliban (the government of Afghanistan at that time) refused to give him over and they were kind of dicks."
I wouldn't really know how to change it to reflect this, but I remembered that this is not true.
AP, Kathy Gannon, October 14, 2001
"A senior Taliban leader said Sunday that the Islamic militia would be willing to hand over Osama bin Laden to a third country if the United States halts the bombing of Afghanistan and provides evidence against him."
Should this be changed at all? I don't want to do it without asking, since I have only made like one edit so far and I don't want to start an edit war. :3
"A senior Taliban leader said Sunday that the Islamic militia would be willing to hand over Osama bin Laden to a third country if the United States halts the bombing of Afghanistan and provides evidence against him."
Should this be changed at all? I don't want to do it without asking, since I have only made like one edit so far and I don't want to start an edit war. :3
Removed this:
and then this one. Taking into account his statements in both interviews, I'm not really sure whether Avatar would be a Flavor 2, Mixed Flavor, or irrelevant example—but the whole "it could be argued" bit had to go.
- * One can argue that the humans in Avatar are meant to represent an imperialist view of America. The RDA corporation is plundering Pandora for fun and profit with little care for the native population, and the military is led by a jingoistic Colonel Kilgore expy. However the manual says that the RDA's actions on Pandora are unpopular with a significant part of the population. The reason the RDA hadn't resorted to more brutal tactics earlier was to keep up public appearance.** It may not be so much America specifically as humanity itself, or even just the people in charge of it. The RDA is a Take That to major corporations and military people. Although Colonel Quaritch is certainly an Eagleland stereotype of sorts.** But when you think about, every named human on Pandora is, or seems to be an American, even Trudy and Max, who are But Not Too Foreign.** And would it have made that much of difference if Sam Worthington used his natural accent, instead of an American one?
and then this one. Taking into account his statements in both interviews, I'm not really sure whether Avatar would be a Flavor 2, Mixed Flavor, or irrelevant example—but the whole "it could be argued" bit had to go.
Why is Team America's "America, Fuck Yeah!" song being used as the opening descriptor for Flavour 1? Unless I've completely mistaken what each flavour is meant to be, that song is clearly in and satirising Flavour 2 - it's the perfect backing music for that flavour, whereas Flavour 1 is better fit with more classic patriotic music like "America the Beautiful".