Literature A Song Of Ice And Fire Discussion

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06:07:43 PM Oct 9th 2014
Should Archmaester Gyldayn's Histories (The Princess and the Queen, The Rouge Prince) get their own page, like the Tale of Dunk and Egg?
01:02:00 AM Oct 10th 2014
If there is enough material to make a page from them, sure.
09:15:11 AM Aug 7th 2014
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Does it not bother anyone else that there isn't any kind of "general" description of the series at the top of the page? Approach it from the viewpoint of someone who isn't familiar at all with the series, aside from the name. They look it up to see what it is.

The first paragraph just says its a "Doorstopper epic fantasy series" but gives no details and spends the rest of the time just listing various books and publications. Then there's several lists, exhaustively listing all the various main novels, companion novels, prequels...ugh. It's not until you scroll down past all that you finally find some description of what the series is actually about. Like, seriously, someone shouldn't have to scroll down half the dang page just to find out what the page even is.

I'd suggest putting at least a sentence or two in the first paragraph explaining, in broad strokes, what the heck ASOIAF is. If it were up to me, I'd also take out all the random trivia about prequels and adaptions out...but that's just me. At the very least I'd suggest moving it to lower in the introduction. There's no reason to front-load the page with all this miscellanea! Start with simple descriptions at first, with an unfamiliar reader in mind, and then get progressively further into details as the intro goes along.

Just my two cents.
09:18:46 AM Aug 7th 2014
Yep, that is seriously bad. I don't have time or the knowledge to put up a description, though, so you'll probably have to ask here in the forums for a rewrite.
09:20:20 AM Aug 7th 2014
I mean, I could throw something up. Normally I would just go ahead and do it but this page is a lot more active than the ones I usually contribute to, so I didn't want to step on any toes...
09:23:16 AM Aug 7th 2014
Another option would be to drop the list of works down and the description of the works up. Most other pages start with a description, then with the worklist.
09:26:48 AM Aug 7th 2014
Isn't there a way to make lists collapsible, as well? Via folders I think? I don't know what other people would think of that, but I just hate how much vertical space those lists waste.
06:30:43 AM Nov 21st 2014
Had some free time and decide to go ahead and rearrange/reword the intro significantly (after only a couple months from when I first considered it :P). Hopefully I didn't step on any toes or piss anyone off. But I do think it's better now. There's probably more I could do but maybe I'll get to that in another few months :)
03:04:49 AM Apr 8th 2014
Euron Greyjoy: Is it time to consider him going to join the Complete Monster brigade, yet? Because, frankly: when you terrify the Ironborn the way he manages to do, you ain't normal.
07:33:24 AM Apr 8th 2014
There is a thread in the Long Term Projects forum to discuss additions to Complete Monster pages. All examples need to be cleared with it.
06:29:53 PM Apr 8th 2014
Thanks, mate.
06:26:14 AM Sep 20th 2013
Question: Walder Frey (and the rest of the Freys). Are they Too Dumb to Live or What an Idiot for their plans for getting with the Lannisters and Boltons to plan the Red Wedding and how they've gone about "covering" their tracks?

Standard power grab from a Pet Rat/ Starscream going south with understandable setbacks? Or dumbass move from the get-go? Need to work out which. :)
01:26:58 PM May 30th 2013
I know this isn't really what the discussion page is for, but does anyone know where I can get hold of the Dunk and Egg stories? Are they published as part of anthologies? I managed to locate the first one in Dreamsongs, but I cannot find the second and third stories anywhere.
09:54:57 AM Feb 13th 2013
Why are there asterisks everywhere?
10:53:21 AM Feb 13th 2013
I don't know why there would be (nothing is out of the ordinary on the history page), and none are showing up on my end. Can you point to a specific one that you see?
05:04:24 PM Feb 14th 2013
Sorry, I may have the wrong discussion page, but there seems to be an asterisk overload on the character pages. Some of them are clickable and do have useful information, but they seem to have been added for every character, and most of them are empty.
05:08:10 PM Feb 14th 2013
Yeah, there is a definite surplus. Just zap 'em as you come across them.
01:06:17 AM May 15th 2012
Whatever happened to the troper who wrote those immaculate episode descriptions?
02:14:09 PM Apr 17th 2012
Should we perhaps change the page quote to Rhaegar's "the song of ice and fire" one. That way we title drop the whole series rather than just book 1.

02:35:37 PM Apr 17th 2012
Could we have both? I think Cersei's quote exemplifies the series in many ways.
05:04:39 AM May 30th 2012
The point of a page quote is not to provide a title drop for the sake of it. The "game of thrones" quote actually exemplifies the series, it just happens to namedrop one of the books as well. The "song of ice and fire" quote is a title drop for its own sake — it doesn't tell you anything meaningful about the series.

If you wanted to go for duality, an ice-themed quote about the Others and a fire-themed quote about the war would be the way to go. For example;

"The common people pray for rain, healthy children and a summer that never ends. It is no matter to them if the high lords play their game of thrones, so long as they are left in peace."
Ser Jorah Mormont

"Winter is Coming"
Stark motto
08:14:07 PM May 31st 2012
edited by MrScourge
Actually, why not use "Valar Morghulis" and "Valar Dohaeris" as quotes? They both sum up the series pretty well. "All Men Must Die" covers the backstabbing "you win or you lose" aspect of the books and "All Men Must Serve" covers the Myth Arc part. (All men must serve to fight the Others or something.)
01:13:22 PM Jan 21st 2012
Army of Thieves and Whores is YMMV? How? Why? Since when?
05:30:39 AM Apr 12th 2012
It's not listed as such on the trope page.
03:28:57 AM Jan 12th 2012
When Tyrion talks with Varys in A Storm Of Swords, Varys mentions his mutilated nose and Tyrion sarcastically jokes "Perhaps I should have a new one made of gold." Later, Jaime loses his right hand and has it replaced with a gold one. Should this go under Foreshadowing, "Funny Aneurysm" Moment, Brick Joke or something else?
08:39:03 AM Jan 12th 2012
None of the above? I don't think there's any significance to this. Prosthetic limbs are a thing and Lannisters have an association with gold.
09:14:42 PM Jan 27th 2012
Their house symbol is a lion on a field of red. Basically, they symbolize wealth and blood. Pretty good symbolism, considering most in the family are ridiculously rich and go around causing death and bloodshed. It shows off how they are like lions, perhaps more so then like humans, as well as their misuse of wealth.
08:25:07 PM May 31st 2012
Ostentatious conspicuous consumption isn't necessarily a "misuse" of wealth, but that's a matter of some fairly heavy duty economic theory.

Anyway, if you're in a medieval setting and you need a prosthetic, your best options are probably either the Berserk approach or something ostentatious. That's why I'd say it's both coincidence and a reference to Tywin's fondness for showing off his old money.
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