• 1 Oct 24th, 2011 at 7:07PM
    Lastest Reply: 24th Oct, 2011 09:33:26 PM
    King Lazerman seems to have some minor spelling and grammar issues, along with adding Jerkass to Justin Bieber, which can only be a bad idea. Reply
  • 1 Oct 24th, 2011 at 8:08PM
    Lastest Reply: 24th Oct, 2011 09:08:19 PM
    A user that goes by the name of OMGlord has been vandalizing the Sonic the Hedgehog (2006) page, replacing the entries with nothing but complaints. Can a mod please step in on this matter? Reply
  • 1 Oct 24th, 2011 at 9:09AM
    Lastest Reply: 24th Oct, 2011 06:37:17 PM
    I've been checking out the So Bad It's Horrible pages, and I've noticed that someone has been cutting out some reviews. I know that one of the rules says this (copypasted from the Film section and edited to reflect the pages that are affected): "It isn't a Horrible (X) just because anyone in That Guy With The Glasses and/or any other Caustic Critic reviewed it. There needs to be independent evidence, such as actual critics (emphasis on plural) for example, to list it. (Though once it is listed, they can provide the detailed review.)"

    The kicker is that with some stuff that does have actual critics' input, they still delete the reviews. So does that count as vandalism, and the links can be restored, or should they just be left alone? Reply

      The note only says not to use them as the sole basis for adding a example. This guy is wrong.
  • 2 Oct 24th, 2011 at 6:06PM
    Lastest Reply: 24th Oct, 2011 06:12:37 PM
    I was traveling the Wiki removing sinkholes, and I came across this page. It's obviously a YMMV page and it's in the proper namespace, but all YMMV items have a red bullet and there's still a link to the YMMV tab, as if it were the Main tab. How can it be fixed? Reply

      Fixed. The page type was set to "work" instead of "subpage"

      Looks okay now.
  • 10 Oct 18th, 2011 at 12:12PM
    Lastest Reply: 24th Oct, 2011 04:52:50 PM
    If there is a song that uses sufficient number of tropes to warrant a page, which namespace should it go under? Reply


      I looked at that, but it seems to be more about genres and tropes used. There doesn't seem to be an index for works. Am I looking at the right bit?

      Wait a minute. It seems to me there was a discussion about this a while ago and I don't remember the upshot. Are there any other songs that have pages any where?

      I know I saw a couple a while back, but I can't remember what they were I'm afraid. Plus they were in "main" (as far as I remember at least), and I know we aren't supposed to be creating new works pages in that.

      They should go in Music. We don't generally want separate articles for individual songs but there are a few that have managed to graduate to the status of works in their own right. They still always go in Music.

      okay, thank you.

      Ideally they'd go on the page for their band. Unless they have more than twenty tropes I don't see why they'd need a separate article from the artist.

      Yes, it's uncommon for an individual song to get a page separate from the band. A couple exceptions are Friday and Thriller; note that they're also music videos.

      IIRC, the way Music is supposed to be used is that the Music page is supposed to have the band on it, and the songs listed (this has much more to do with the amount of songs produced, than any other factor). This is generally sorted by album. However, if the song you mention is large enough, it might work as it's own section, yes?

      That's basically what we are saying, yes.
  • 12 Oct 23rd, 2011 at 12:12PM
    Lastest Reply: 24th Oct, 2011 07:08:35 AM
    Edit war in TheSalvationWar. Reply

      No, it isn't an Edit War unless I revert it back again. While I'm here, is Willing Suspension of Disbelief a trope? If it is, it fits the trope asked for on the discussion page.

      Read the edit history. You is not the first to delete it neither Salmon is the first to add it again.

      me and Old Man Ho Oh both deleted it. The last one happened 3 weeks ago between 2 other tropers. Get a mod to decide, then uphold their decision.

      ...I deleted it before.

      Chill out, guys. Lot of hostility here.

      Isn't there a better example of what is being sought in the links listed on Willing Suspension of Disbelief? Willing suspension of disbelief is an audience reaction, but it also something you need to have in order for what ever the work is, to work. If it is a trope then it belongs on every single works page. If you do that it loses any meaning what so ever. See if one of the other tropes listed on that page is a better fit.

      (For the more literal minded among us that does not mean you need to go and put it on every single page with the note "blackcat said". If you are going to do that say "Camacan or Fighteer said".;P)

      Blackcat says to say that Camac... No?

      Er, um, NO. D:

      rats, foiled again. :o)

      Actually battosaijoe, I was just being clear that I didn't think it was an Edit War, or if it was it was a slow one. Any opinion on the Your Mileage May Vary used as a trope that keeps being added to this page and then deleted by a Wiki Gnome? Me, Mag Bas and Old Man Ho Oh all deleted the same one on three separate occasions.

      Then I misread it, and I apologize.

      Your Mileage May Vary is never to be used as a trope.
  • 1 Oct 23rd, 2011 at 3:03PM
    Lastest Reply: 23rd Oct, 2011 03:50:30 PM
    Is this a troll? It's the troper page for Gaz Bev Moo. I'm not inclined to click on that goatse related link to find out what it is (any takers?), and I know the troper has done some questionable posting on the forums. Reply

      The link's safe, it's just a thing for "icepets". Whatever that is.
  • 3 Oct 23rd, 2011 at 12:12PM
    Lastest Reply: 23rd Oct, 2011 02:19:13 PM
    Could someone deal with the user "Ieditduhpage" by the few "edits" he's made to talk pages makes it seem like the account will be only used for taunting/trolling purposes. Example of those comments may be seen on Touhou Discussion. Reply
  • 2 Oct 23rd, 2011 at 3:03AM
    Lastest Reply: 23rd Oct, 2011 06:13:22 AM
    When I browse the 'recent edits' page, some users' handles show up orange. Why is that? Reply

      It is just because they have numbers in their handle. It's a left over from when the 'handle' could have been an IP address.

      Oh, I see.
  • 2 Oct 22nd, 2011 at 7:07AM
    Lastest Reply: 23rd Oct, 2011 12:46:04 AM
    I seem to remember a trope...
    It's about Heteronormative Crusaders or other similar groups finding "eeevilness" in whatever they feel like, for example, (actual example) "There is a crescent-shaped pokemon, that means Pokémon is Islam propaganda".
    I'm asking this because some time ago I found a dumb-as-bricks but hilarious to read Christian blog, and I found it by following the link from that trope page, that exact example, and I want to find it again. Reply
  • 9 Oct 18th, 2011 at 8:08PM
    Lastest Reply: 22nd Oct, 2011 10:18:21 PM
    I feel like I'm either asking something already answered a lot of times, or skipping an obvious step somewhere.

    In what folder do I add the examples of tropes from a forum roleplay that has already a page at TV Tropes but it's located at Main, not at any namespace such as Web Original or Roleplay, if it exists? I'm leaning towards Web Original, but I'd like to confirm because I have seen examples of similar forum roleplays being added at least in those two categories.


      Do you mean like a roleplay that's ON TV Tropes? If not, skip the next paragraph.

      If so, I think there was huge debate over whether or not to add examples from TV Tropes-based roleplay or not. I think a guy got edit-banned at one point for going on a deletion spree... but I don't remember off the top of my head what the resolution was.

      If not, we'd need some more details to know what you're talking about.

      Editing to remove irrelevant personal opinion out.

      Thanks, battosaijoe.

      It is from a TV Tropes-born work, yes, but I don't see what the issue could be here. I go by two factors — There Is No Such Thing as Notability and internal wiki consistency if the X work page mentions trope Y occurs, I guess it'd be part of the public expectation to see the Trope Y page say that it happens in the work X. Dunno if there's a page for that...

      I'd be tremendously glad to get a link or Word Of Mod on what the resolution was, and also comment on how would the situation be different from eg.: Fanfic.

      not-a-mod disclaimer. I can't see it being an issue. There's pages for other role play so -shrug- go ahead and put it under the roleplay namespace.

      You should put roleplays in the Roleplay namespace. However, I'm pretty sure that consensus was not to cross-wick them — in other words, don't put RP examples on trope articles. I could be wrong, though.

      This topic (closed) seems to suggest that examples from TV Tropes-born roleplays can be crosswicked it does mention the two criteria I mentioned above, but I can't exactly read a consensus there. It does make a reminder to add them in the correct folder, but that's precisely the part I can't correctly figure out, although I'd guesstimate it is Web Original (because folders are by medium).

      Correct. Crosswicking is perfectly fine.

      We haven't figured out whether to use a Roleplay Folder or Web Original. That consensus hasn't been figured out. Use Web Original for now. Roleplay was meant to be for something else.(examples of offline roleplaying games)

      Thanks. Will exercise some care when adding the examples in order to avoid some of the problems described in the aforelinked thread.

      Thank you. Yeah, it's preferred to rewrite the examples. But if you can't, it's perfectly fine. As long as it's legible, etc.

      Thanks for the pointers. I've added two examples which are reflected at the works page; these are for Gossip Evolution and Companion Cube. I hope I have reworded them well (had to took notice of Examples Are Not Recent among other details).
  • 4 Oct 22nd, 2011 at 5:05PM
    Lastest Reply: 22nd Oct, 2011 06:44:17 PM
    Can someone be banned for overt, unceasing sexism? Reply

      just report the forum posts/wiki edits and let the mods handle it.

      I'd haphazard a guess at "yes."

      This is the place to report it. Post links and such so we can revert sexist edits and so the mods can have a look at em.

      Thanks. :)
  • 3 Oct 22nd, 2011 at 12:12PM
    Lastest Reply: 22nd Oct, 2011 05:27:32 PM
    I just posted a query that seems to be gone. Given the circumstances, wondered if the mods took note of it and thought it would be safer to delete the entry afterward.

    Not sure how to put this, but I could understand the mods not wanting further discussion. Reply

      If it was regarding a troll/vandal, it's most likely the mods took care of it and then deleted your question to avoid ATT becoming a "wall of shame".

      It was. That was my thinking, but wanted to make sure it wasn't an issue with the system.

      Edit- Incidentally, regarding the previous post I had made, looking again, what I said regarding Lathis might be incorrect.

      Edit- Reflections Lost on a Dark Road has been filled with tons of weird soapboxing. Not sure what the procedure is for fanfic. Should I just delete that or is it up to the author.

      Not sure if I should PM a mod about this. I totally understand if the mods end up deleting this entry too...

      once a page is made, it belongs to the wiki, not the creator (except for troper pages, which allow some leeway.) No soapboxing is allowed.
  • 7 Oct 22nd, 2011 at 4:04PM
    Lastest Reply: 22nd Oct, 2011 05:00:35 PM
    What happened to this page?


    A friend and I created it to list the tropes in that rp, but it was locked in ten minutes. Reply

      Moved to correct namespace. Roleplay.American Paranormal Society

      Fast Eddie moved it to the correct namespace. It's here: American Paranormal Society.

      EDIT: Ninja's by the bossman himself.

      Alright, thanks.

      In which case, this needs a move as well.


      Go for it.

      Done. Mainspace page added to cutlist. Probably gonna move the other roleplays listed as well.

      EDIT: Will the Crowning X of X and YMMV page buttons appear on the Roleplay page? I ask because Elfen High has those pages but they haven't appeared on the Roleplay namespace page I made.

      They needed their page type set to get those. I took care of it for you. To do so for anything you create in the future, the first item in the Tools menu on the left side of the page shows/sets the page type.

      Thanks very much for the tip. Move is now completed, cutlisting relevant Main namespace pages.
  • 1 Oct 22nd, 2011 at 3:03PM
    Lastest Reply: 22nd Oct, 2011 04:29:16 PM
    Got some pretty bad grammar as well as a bit of soapboxing from fireysoul 25. Reply
  • 6 Oct 22nd, 2011 at 4:04AM
    Lastest Reply: 22nd Oct, 2011 12:14:26 PM
    Okay, so, the Awesome Music section. Just about every example provides a link to the song in question on Youtube. Simple enough, right?

    The problem is, and it's an increasingly obvious problem, that because Youtube is very trigger-happy with suspending accounts and/or removing videos due to Terms of Service schmuckery, a frighteningly large number of these links become null and void in an instant. I don't know how badly the other sections and subpages are affected by it, but I can't tell you how many Video Game subpages I browsed through, for instance, where at least half of the song links were broken.

    So I guess there's two things I've gotta ask here. 1) Are there any people who regularly keep tabs on the Awesome Music subpages and could potentially fix broken links as they pop up? And if not, then 2) What are we gonna do about linking to songs? Just not do it at all, if we can't be bothered to keep replacing links all the time? Reply

      As bad as this might sound, if that's the problem, I suggest that we leave out the links entirely...if you want it, then get the name from the page and search for it...

      There is nothing wrong with providing a link as long as it isn't the whole of the example. If it is, then there is a problem. An external link can supplement information on this wiki, but not replace it.

      This is a growing problem with webcomic examples too. Too often it's "trope name":"here (insert external link)". Which means if you want to see the example you have to go off wiki (and tvtropes risks losing a reader as they embark their Archive Binge instead of their Wiki Walk. It also means that if/when the comic goes off line (or changes their archiving system) the link goes dead and you've no idea how it fits the trope. I know that it is something I've been guilty of myself in the past, but it's gonna change now that I see the growing problem that is being created.

      Either "Information+Link" or "Just Information", but not "just link". The description in the wiki surely must carry the weight of explaining the examples.

      Well, when it comes to adding Awesome Music examples, people will always at least state the title of the song, or when exactly the song plays, rather than just "This song", but really, when it comes down to it, you have to listen to the music to understand the gist of the awesomeness that places it in the list.

      So it's not providing information on the wiki itself that's the problem, it's just all the broken links. If worse comes to worst, we could do as onyhow says and omit external links and let people just find things for themselves. But I'd rather not resort to that.

      Rather than not using the link (although if you find a dead one, just remove it) it should be an explanation of why the music is awesome and the context it appears in.

      I clicked that link. It is glorious.

      Also, thanks for the answer, I know I'll be keeping it in mind for future references. :)

      Remember to visit the works page for Beyond The Star Empire Of The Otters Of Doom for more information too. :o)
  • 3 Oct 21st, 2011 at 4:04AM
    Lastest Reply: 22nd Oct, 2011 10:05:02 AM
    It looks like a newb question, but I can't figure this one out.

    How do I add a page discussion (not the page itself) to my watchlist? Reply

      You can't. When you add the page, its discussion page is also added.

      Thanks for the answer.

      I was asking this because I've accidentally dropped out of my watchlist a discussion page.

      So, the solution might be to drop the page from my watchlist and re-add it?

  • 2 Oct 21st, 2011 at 2:02PM
    Lastest Reply: 21st Oct, 2011 05:22:48 PM
    Question about Alternative Character Interpretation. Does only a single person have to buy into an interpetation in order to be added as a trope, or does it have to be decent-sized number of people?

    I think this question could apply to a number of YMMV tropes (like maybe Base Breaker), but I'm just asking about Alternative Character Interpretation. Reply
  • 2 Oct 21st, 2011 at 10:10AM
    Lastest Reply: 21st Oct, 2011 05:05:38 PM
    Should the page image go on the right side of the page? Most page images are on the right side and I've noticed that many of them have been moved from the left to the right but I can't find an official rule or guideline on this. Reply

      We prefer them on the right so they don't seriously mess up text format. That's the default code that the image uploader gives you.

      Always on the right if there is a page quote. Default is on the right. If in doubt, pop it over to the right.
  • 2 Oct 18th, 2011 at 4:04AM
    Lastest Reply: 20th Oct, 2011 07:20:13 AM
    Excuse me, how do you sent a message to another troper? Thanks in advance. Reply

      At the top of their troper page there would be a little envelope. Click that and you can send a PM. You can also do it if they have posted on a forum thread. Their post will have a little envelope you can click as well.

      Or just click "PM" in the toolbar atop any wiki article.
  • 2 Oct 19th, 2011 at 4:04PM
    Lastest Reply: 19th Oct, 2011 11:59:21 PM
    24 Hour Party People the trope is mixed up with the movie of the same name and its subpages. Anyone know how to sort that out? Reply

      There are quite a few trope pages out there that get mixed with films of the same name. It's generally accepted to have the main pages separated by the namespace, but the subpages might be a problem.

      Generally, we soft- or hard-split the pages as required.
  • 5 Oct 19th, 2011 at 6:06AM
    Lastest Reply: 19th Oct, 2011 02:13:42 PM
    I'm sure I'm missing something obvious here, but how do I vote on a crowner? The one I'm looking at says "vote up for yes, down for no" but there's just nothing clickable on the crowner itself for me - no boxes, buttons, or links that I can interact with. The only things I can click on are buttons labelled "Add New" and "Hide/Show Options". I am logged in. Reply

      which crowner? It's possible the result has already been called, and closed.

      Ah, that might be it? I did look through the thread but I didn't see anything that specifically said voting was closed, and there didn't seem to be an indication on the crowner itself. It's this one: [1]

      If a crowner is still open you would see little arrow keys that you can click on to vote. That crowner is closed.

      Check some random crownered thread to see how it looks =)

      Adannor - I clicked on two or three, but they were all the same. I guess I just managed to click on all the closed ones! (I have now found an open one so I know what it should look like.)
  • 1 Oct 19th, 2011 at 7:07AM
    Lastest Reply: 19th Oct, 2011 07:39:11 AM
    I think we have an Edit War, here. There's some newbie (handle: Noah1) who re-added Super Smash Flash, as well as adding an Entry Pimp-ish line to that page. Reply

      Removed the sentence to the discussion page with the suggestion they discuss it.
  • 3 Oct 18th, 2011 at 9:09PM
    Lastest Reply: 19th Oct, 2011 07:21:05 AM
    Got a question. I was considering making a Fridge Brilliance page for A Song of Ice and Fire, but hypothetically, I might have some Fridge Logic and Fridge Horror entries as well.

    As of now, is it the rule to create a "Fridge Everything" for a work or to still do the individual Fridge pages? Reply

      Fridge everything.

      Thanks. How do you create one of those links. Is it just A Song of Ice and Fire? Is there a new index of these?

      Edit- It worked. Thanks again.

      Yes that is how you create them. No, there is no index of them, yet.
  • 4 Oct 18th, 2011 at 12:12PM
    Lastest Reply: 18th Oct, 2011 08:17:14 PM
    Impossible Hourglass Figure has a lot of X Just X (partly my fault) which I'm trying to work on. In the meanwhile can I just move the One Word Examples to the discussion section? Reply

      Wouldn't that constitute moving almost all of the examples to the discussion page? Besides, that page is very much Exactly What It Says on the Tin. I know we abhor One Word Examples, but are expanded explanations of how each character has an Impossible Hourglass Figure really possible or necessary?

      true, it is kinda Exactly What It Says on the Tin but it's still a trope that allows for more than One Word Examples. If the description, title and a few examples are good enough then it begs the question of just having a list. I user could get this same information from the related to section.

      Every example should contain the name of the work in cleartext (not potholed to a character name) the character name and enough about their place/position/role in the show to be informative to someone who isn't familiar with the work.

      would be X Just X.

      would be okay.

      ^ That's pretty much what I meant. Sorry for not being more clear.