Subpages cleanup: Complete Monster

This was on the YMMV page for Inherit the Wind.

• Complete Monster: Antagonistic characters Hornbeck and especially Brady are portrayed with some sympathy, but Reverand Brown is a fundamentalist who has damned a dead little boy's soul to Hell just because he wasn't properly baptized, and later goes on to damn Bates and his own freaking daughter! Even Brady, who is mainly religious as a way to boost his ego, calls the reverand out on how un-Christian this behavior is.

I hate Brown. Intensely. But he doesn't do anything beyond run his mouth. Cut.

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You make some good points Shaoken. A few things though. Umbrella keeping him on the payroll doesn't signal much, given that, as you yourself noted, the company has done some horrific things. Sergei's also desperate for personnel as the company collapses around him. More importantly however, I'm not sure the company knows what Nicholai did to his squad. Unless they've added something since RE 3, Nicholai kept the murder of his team under the radar. As for killing the Wolfpack, it should count towards his list of crimes, seeing as Nicholai doesn't kill them to stop their evil actions. Just the opposite: he kills them so that he'll be the only one his bosses have to rely on.

For me, that's what sells me on Nicholai: his willingness to off not rivals, but his own compatriots just in order to make a little extra money. It's not like with the Marcus situation, where Spencer had Wesker and Birkin off him to secure control of his research and the company. It's a lot more petty. Your point about the general evilness of the company is well taken though.

My point with the Wolfpack is that Nikolai their as evil as he is; their first meeting with him has one of the group propose killing him for no reason besides him being there and the leader of the group in that session always responding with some variation of "he'll be dead soon enough anyway." It's hard to really put Nikolai trying to kill them as an evil act against them since every last one of them is some shade of villian (I mean you have a sadistic doctor who maximises the amount of pain felt, a amoral scientist who enjoys testing out bioweapons on living humans, a crazy russian, a man whose mentor leaves his teams to die because it's their responsiblity to survive, an explosives man who got dishonourably discharged from the military because of his love of explosives, and the team mom who is the least evil of the team of sciopaths).

So it doesn't really matter that he's not killing them out of the kindness of his heart, they're still just as evil as he is and consider the posiblity of killing before they even know he's a traitor.

As for him killing his team, that is a pretty evil move, but it's not truly henious considering Umbrella has "You Have Failed Me" and "You Have Outlived Your Usefulness" as standard policies.

Yikes, I add a for the Entity.

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Mass Effect 3 has the following example:

• Complete Monster: Henry Lawson.

Zero-Context Example aside, he's cited on the same page for One-Scene Wonder and doesn't seem to do much, especially for an universe like Mass Effect 3. Does anybody object to his deletion?

"For a successful technology, reality must take precedence over public relations, for Nature cannot be fooled." - Richard Feynman

Henry Lawson and Dr Saleon were the only 2 examples from Mass Effect that have been voted on to keep. His entry is more expanded on the main Mass Effect YMMV.

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My vote to the Scooby-Do villain.

Also my vote to keep the slave owner from Highlander.

I must think on Nicolai a bit. I'm inclined to keep him. Hope he doesn't turn out to be a tie.

edited 6th Apr '13 10:13:39 AM by XFllo

To Nicholai.

On the Scooby-Doo example.

Also, another line of myself: Halloween, a slasher story.

I see the killer, Michael Myers cited, but I have a few quibbles about him:

1. His example writeups are pretty bad - Halloween for example doesn't cite anything relevant.
2. In certain storylines, he's under a curse and would thus lack moral agency.
3. He's also cited as Generic Doomsday Villain. Which is right?

Also Halloween III: Season of the Witch has someone called Cochran. Are they really an example?

"For a successful technology, reality must take precedence over public relations, for Nature cannot be fooled." - Richard Feynman

While we're on the subject of Michael, he cried a Single Tear in the fifth movie when his mask was removed. What did that mean?

Holy crap. Based on that explanation, the Entity makes Mayor Jones look like a big, friendly puppy.

I vote to add.

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@11151: Reverand Brown?... oh, Reverend Brown. Pedantry aside, no, no, and no in that order. Reverend Brown is just an incredibly bigoted Jerkass, not a monster. No, Inherit the Wind has no monsters. (Even if the locals regard Clarence Drummond - er, Henry Darrow - erm, the defence counsel - as one.)

edited 6th Apr '13 10:25:42 AM by mlsmithca

On Myers, if I remember right from Phelous review of the reboot the prolong to the movie pretty much says he's meant to be a complete monster, so he might count in at least that continuity.

edited 6th Apr '13 10:51:34 AM by shoboni

Conal Cochran is from the film that has nothing to do with the rest of the movies, his plan is to kill millions of children on Halloween night so they can be used as sacrafices. While he is just doing his job, he seems to enjoy it saying "I do love a good joke, and this is the best ever, a joke on the children". In some ways he is even worse than Michael, at least he did not attempt genocide. He also has an army of androids that kill people in truly horrible ways (like pulling there heads off or drilling through there temples). In one scene, he kills an entire family and watches with a smile on his face.

edited 6th Apr '13 10:58:47 AM by bobg

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@11132: Wow. Yeah alright, I vote keep on the Nibiru Entity.

@11151: Funnily enough, not being familiar with Inherit The Wind, until you said differently I thought the entry meant he literally damned their souls to hell. Yeah, Brown's just a prick then. Cut.

@11155: I added Lawson's fully entry to the Mass Effect 3 page to correct his being a Zero Context Example.

edited 6th Apr '13 11:14:43 AM by OccasionalExister

I also vote in favor of the Niberu Entity.

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Just Watched the Finale of Scooby Doo. Okay: Yes, the Nibiru entity counts, the fact that it was The Man Behind the Man means we might need to fix the moral Even Horizon entry, but that's not what we're here for.

I vote to keep.

When an entry is written up, crimes that should be mentioned: Controlling the Conquistadors to murder and pillage, in addition to the ones already brought up.

edited 6th Apr '13 2:23:52 PM by DrPsyche

Looks like we have more than enough votes to add it.

By the way dr pschyes, what happened to that music example you sugested?

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@bobg: Thank you for reminding me here's a write-up

• Within Temptation: The priest from the Angels Music Video. He's a serial killer who lures his victims in by dressing as figures one would trust, like a doctor, or clown, and in the video a Priest. He lures the heroine in, and uses Chloroform to knock her out, after she finds newspaper clippings detailing all of his murders. He intends to bury her in a field where he's buried over two dozen other victims.

edited 6th Apr '13 2:23:31 PM by DrPsyche

YMMV/Spawn

Now, from what little I remember of the Animated Series, Kinkaid seems like he counts.

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So the Nibiru Entity is a go then?

It appears that way, just show us a write-up. Honestly, I'm surprised that nobody jumped the gun and added Pericles before we got to the final episodes (outside of the character page). I'm glad for that.

Seemed, and yeah, he did, which is why I'm glad nobody added him, the tropers waited till the end of the series to weigh in on him.

edited 6th Apr '13 3:40:00 PM by DrPsyche

Pericles SEEMS like he would count, except only the entity's Dragon.

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Gotcha. Not sure if spoilers should be used here, but the character is kind of a Walking Spoiler.

• Scooby Doo Mystery Incorporated has one in the form of the Nibiru Entity. A member of a normally benevolent interdimensional alien race called the Anunnaki, his own kind considers him the most evil member of their entire species. He's spent untold centuries corrupting and manipulating the people around him, especially the Team Pets of mystery solving teams, by perverting his species' ability to use animals as mediums to communicate, all working towards freeing him from his prison. In the process he's ruined and ended countless lives through his Unwitting Pawns (including Professor Pericles, who the Entity turned into a murderous psychopath) without a second thought. When he's finally released in the Series Finale, he proceeds to gleefully eat his loyal minions alive along with Mr. E. He follows this by turning Crystal Cove into Hell on Earth and devouring the entire town with sadistic glee, planning to move on to the rest of the universe when he's done, all for the sake of power. When Mystery Inc finally kill him, erasing him from time in the process, we see what Crystal Cove would've been like without his influence; a normal town with everyone living good, happy lives, showing just how much pain and misery he was truly responsible for.

Is that good?

edited 6th Apr '13 4:45:16 PM by Godzillawolf

There are two examples I feel compelled to bring up:

Strausser from Revolution:

• Actions: He gives fatherly speeches to stable boys about slicing open people and animals with a knife while sharpening a knife. He tortures (his specialty) Rachel, saying "I apologize in advance," making him Faux Affably Evil. He is very much a Bad Boss who murders Mooks at the slightest failure. He did spare Mia and Nora when he could have killed them, but that is likely Cruel Mercy. Finally, he actually tries to rape Rachel when it's just the two them alone and he threatened to rape Charlie, claiming that he likes peaches.
• Relationships: He spooks just about everyone, including Badasses Miles and Nora. Miles called Strausser The Sociopath to his face and said that Strausser was going to be put in a padded room when the militia recruited him.
• Justification: Other than claiming that maybe society is sick and not him, there's practically no justification given.
• No regret: Absolutely no regret is shown, and he's likely incapable of it.
• Redemption: He got killed off in episode 10 when he was trying to rape Rachel, and she killed him by stabbing him in the heart with a sharp instrument, and he makes noises like he's having an orgasm as he dies. So no chance of redemption there at all.

Verdict: Strausser is a Complete Monster who makes the other members of the militia look like saints in comparison.

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Alonzo Quinn from Person of Interest:

• Actions: As the number two man to the Mayor of New York City, Quinn runs a ring of Dirty Cops named HR. Quinn is supposedly friends with investigative reporter Maxine Angelus, but he certainly displayed no qualms about having her discredited for poking into HR's business. He tried to restart a partnership with Elias, which had been broken off because HR found out that Elias was using child molesters to watch HR's families. He tried to have a good cop named Detective Szymanski framed for corruption as part of a gambit to form a partnership with the Russian Mafia. When Szymanski and an ADA went to Quinn for help in taking down HR, Quinn simply killed them both and had one of his dirty cops shoot him in the shoulder to make it look like an assassin attacked them. Finally, when his godson Cal Beecher asks questions about the Szymanski tip he got from Quinn, Quinn decides to have him simply killed off.
• Relationships: He has not been shown to have that many interactions with people. Maxine, Cal, Szymanski, and that ADA thought he was quite friendly and helpful and never suspected a thing. Meanwhile, his dirty cops don't seem to have a problem being around him...until Simmons clearly showed shock and discomfort over Quinn remorselessly throwing his godson under the bus and he even tried suggesting that Cal be transferred to a desk job out of the city.
• Justification: He apparently considers HR to be a profit machine and thinks that he has real power in his position. Other than that, he seems to have no real reason to be doing what he's doing. Not to mention that nothing about his backstory is stated and Cal seems to be his only relative, which is a godson.
• No regret: Considering that he has not shown empathy or remorse, he may very be a sociopath and incapable of regret.
• Redemption: He knows what he's doing, why he does it, and how he intends to keep right on doing it. So he is not likely to earn redemption even if he wanted it.

Verdict: A Complete Monster and sociopath who makes his unsaintly number two dirty cop uncomfortable.

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If that one doesn't work, here's the original one from the YMMV page:

• The Nibiru Entity, full stop. He is directly responsible for every single bad thing to happen in the entire series by corrupting innocent people into borderline Complete Monsters themselves. When he's finally unleashed from his prison, what does he do? Unleashes a World-Wrecking Wave, reducing Crystal Cove to flaming ruins followed by eating the entire town one by one and loving every second of it. Made worse by the fact his race are nearly all benevolent beings who help humanity. After he's erased from existence, we see that without his influence, Crystal Cove is a normal, happy town with the original Mystery Inc living happy, fulfilling lives. Said erasure is immensely satisfying to watch.