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Pages that need the YMMV banner:

 1 Madrugada, Sat, 16th Oct '10 9:14:07 AM Relationship Status: In season
Zzzzzzzzzz
If you run across a trope page that needs the new "Subjective" "Flamebait" or "YMMV" banner, please add it it, to make it easier to keep track of which ones still need it. Thank you.
...if you don’t love you’re dead, and if you do, they’ll kill you for it.
 2 Deboss, Sat, 16th Oct '10 1:00:54 PM from Awesomeville Texas
I see the Awesomeness.
Suetiful All Along. Also, if all the Mary Sue tropes aren't marked already, they should be.

{Adding the Mary Sue tropes — Madrugada}

edited 20th Oct '10 4:32:15 PM by Madrugada

Teutonic Tomboy T-Girl
Disposable Woman (I think?)
 4 Deboss, Sat, 16th Oct '10 1:40:49 PM from Awesomeville Texas
I see the Awesomeness.
I'd say Disposable Woman isn't a subjective or the like. It might be Natter Bait. It's a Character As A Device trope.

edited 16th Oct '10 1:40:58 PM by Deboss

Hide Your Lesbians. It's basically "Les Yay, but some people thinks that they should have gone all the way"

Teutonic Tomboy T-Girl
The following would be Audience Reaction Tropes, or YMMV, no?

edited 17th Oct '10 3:03:15 PM by suedenim

Diagonalizing The Matrix
Shipping and nearly all of the Shipping Tropes should get the Audience Reaction banner. ("Nearly" because off the top of my head, Shipper on Deck shouldn't).

edited 17th Oct '10 3:16:49 PM by TripleElation

Pretentious quote || In-joke from fandom you've never heard of || Shameless self-promotion || Something weird you'll habituate to
Teutonic Tomboy T-Girl
Popularity Polynomial = Audience Reaction?
^^ But wouldn't they be perfectly objective on fanfiction work pages?

Teutonic Tomboy T-Girl
Values Dissonance
 11 Madrugada, Sun, 17th Oct '10 9:58:22 PM Relationship Status: In season
Zzzzzzzzzz
It's the Same, Now It Sucks

edited 20th Oct '10 4:33:48 PM by Madrugada

...if you don’t love you’re dead, and if you do, they’ll kill you for it.
Diagonalizing The Matrix
^^^ Fine, we could make an exception for that case, but it's obviously not representative of bona fide fiction the rest of the stuff we deal with here, apart from fanfic. I mean, how about we also allow So Bad It's Horrible, since it's "objectively found" in youtube comments?

Pretentious quote || In-joke from fandom you've never heard of || Shameless self-promotion || Something weird you'll habituate to
 13 Shale, Mon, 18th Oct '10 11:30:05 AM from Int'l House of Mojo Relationship Status: You cannot grasp the true form
Mighty pirate!
What an Idiot has the YMMV banner, but the subpages don't.

edited 20th Oct '10 4:34:39 PM by Madrugada

 14 Ghilz, Mon, 18th Oct '10 11:39:26 AM from The Moon. Or Canada. Relationship Status: Drift compatible
 15 carla, Mon, 18th Oct '10 11:43:27 AM from panama city, panama
i shall keep lobbying for Ass Pull. maybe Scapegoat Creator? and the Character Alignment subpages (the main Character Alignment page does have the subjective banner).

 16 shimaspawn, Mon, 18th Oct '10 11:51:45 AM from Here and Now Relationship Status: In your bunk
Character Alignment when it isn't specified as it is sometimes on works based on D&D.
Reality is that, which when you stop believing in it, doesn't go away.

-Philip K. Dick
 17 carla, Mon, 18th Oct '10 11:56:24 AM from panama city, panama
^ yes, of course. which makes of the majority of the usage on this wiki. smile

 18 Madrugada, Mon, 18th Oct '10 12:08:18 PM Relationship Status: In season
Zzzzzzzzzz
We're trying to get character alignment away from any characters that aren't intended to use the 2-axis good-evil, chaotic-lawful system. Trying to apply it to any complex or rounded character almost always causes arguments and natter.
...if you don’t love you’re dead, and if you do, they’ll kill you for it.
Teutonic Tomboy T-Girl

edited 18th Oct '10 5:38:29 PM by suedenim

 20 Hershele Ostropoler, Mon, 18th Oct '10 10:16:25 PM from BK.NY.US Relationship Status: Less than three
You gotta get yourself some marble columns
Er ... never mind

edited 18th Oct '10 10:17:05 PM by HersheleOstropoler

The child is father to the manOedipus
I think Motive Decay is objective, as the description notes, it can be an intentional Flanderization to tell an Aesop about how evil is pointless.

 22 The Inferno, Tue, 19th Oct '10 8:42:13 AM from probably on Earth
|Y| = |X| Add 5
Can tropes be applied in both a subjective and an objective way, depending on how it's done? Hmm.

Also, similar question: is Adaptation Decay really subjective? If the original story was about a magic knight from a rich kingdom saving a princess, and then a movie version has the magic knight become a young militaman from a village, the rich kingdom a great empire, and the princess travels with him to defeat a great dragon, then wouldn't that be Adaptation Decay?

 DERAIL!

edited 19th Oct '10 8:44:44 AM by TheInferno

"The fact that your food can be made into makeshift bombs alarms the Hell out of me, Scrye." - Charlatan
 23 carla, Tue, 19th Oct '10 2:30:08 PM from panama city, panama
"Trying to apply it to any complex or rounded character almost always causes arguments and natter."

...soooo they should have the banner? yes?

^ i think all the Adaptation X tropes are subjective basically because of Trope Decay. Adaptation Distillation is supposed to be when the adaptation takes a complex story and simplifies it. people, however, keep using it to mean "this adaptation is better than the original, " or at least it's better than some other adaptation... probably from the idea that simpler = better or just the fact that distilled liquor is, well, stronger.

similarly, Adaptation Decay is when the adaptation distorts certain key aspects of the story. the most common usage in the wiki, though, is that "this adaptation SUCKS." sure, that distortion of key elements can make the adaptation suck, but the trope isn't there to judge that. however, fans will be fans and so the trope is hopelessly subjective by now.

question: do we intend to get actions out of this thread? i would just add a bunch of these tropes to YMMV, but i don't know how to do that in cases where everything inside an index should have a banner.

 24 shimaspawn, Tue, 19th Oct '10 4:08:38 PM from Here and Now Relationship Status: In your bunk
No, because those tropes are not for well rounded characters. The alignment tropes ONLY apply to characters with their alignment stated.
Reality is that, which when you stop believing in it, doesn't go away.

-Philip K. Dick
 25 Madrugada, Tue, 19th Oct '10 4:41:41 PM Relationship Status: In season
Zzzzzzzzzz
This thread was made to list trope pages that need to have the banners added, so that they are easy for Eddie to find and he doesn't have to search the whole Trope Talk and Repair shop forums looking for them. It's not really the place to be discussion whether a page needs one or not. It should only be listed here once the decision is made.

edited 20th Oct '10 4:36:31 PM by Madrugada

...if you don’t love you’re dead, and if you do, they’ll kill you for it.

Page Action: YMMV Banner 4
17th Aug '14 8:08:24 AM
What would be the best way to fix the page?
At issue:
YMMV is for items that are reactions of the audience to works and tropes that need a significant judgment call to tell whether they exist objectively or not.

Should these items become members of YMMV?
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