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Prongs of Poseidon is in a bit of a situation right now, because it's very explicitly trying to be several tropes at once.

Counting the on-page examples is relatively straightforward, since they're already sorted by folder on the page itself:

  • Poseidon/marine tridents have 61 distinct works linked, not counting one ZCE ("BIONICLE: Kiina and Turaga Nokama have these"). This accounts for 52.14% of examples.
  • Satan tridents have 28 distinct works linked, not counting one ZCE ("Touhou Project: Nue Houjuu from the 12th game wields one, however she is a subversion"). This accounts for 23.93% of examples.
  • Random tridents have 21 distinct works linked. This accounts for 17.95% of examples.
  • Gladiator/disarming tridents have seven distinct works linked. This accounts for 5.98% of examples.

Regarding inbound links, I opted to focus on dedicated examples over miscellaneous links and potholes, as these would be the most relevant to deciding the viability of a page split by showing how many examples each potential "offspring" would have. Consequently, I checked only character and work pages, looking at every fifth example.

    List of checked wicks 

Ratios:

  • Sea/Poseidon tridents: 51/104 = 49%
  • Demonic tridents: 9/104 = 8.7%
  • Gladiator tridents: 2/104 = 1.9%
  • Tridents/pitchforks with no narrative significance: 22/104 = 21.2%
  • ZCEs: 20/104 = 19.2%

My conclusions are:

Firstly, this page is very under-crosswicked. There are 117 works linked on-page, versus 644 inbounds. The majority of the works I checked were not listed on the page.

As for the examples themselves, notice that both lists are largely dominated by sea/Poseidon/mermaid/fish-associated tridents, the inbound list more so. Normally this would be the opposite of a problem, since it shows concept cohesion — but this trope is currently supposed to cover the other uses of tridents as well, which means that the fact that people are not using or linking for those definitions is a problem. The page's title and presentation absolutely contribute to this, I feel — logically, who would look at a trope called Prongs of Poseidon, with a page picture of a big merman in the ocean, and think that this is also supposed to cover, say, Satan's pitchfork? Folding those other tropes into this one is very clearly hurting them.

My proposal is as follows:

  • "Pitchforks associated with infernal figures" is the most obviously viable trope to extract here. It has plenty of examples and is very clearly a strong trend in fiction. Carve out its folder and send it to the launch pad.
  • "Pitchforks associated with gladiator figures/used for disarming opponents" could also be viable, but I feel it lacks enough material to work with. We could try to extract it too, but I'm not too confident that that would yield results.
  • The third type is by its own definition tridents that have nothing to do with any specific theme. That's chairs by definition and should just be cut.
  • Having decided what to cut and what the send to TLP for separation, comb through the inbound wicks list, keep examples of the sea-themed type and crosswick them to the main page, move any applicable ones to the new draft/s, and cut everything else.

Thoughts?

Edited by GastonRabbit on May 17th 2022 at 8:12:39 AM

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#101: Jun 11th 2022 at 3:19:28 PM

Finished sorting through the remaining Characters pages. I believe that that's everything?

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#102: Jun 11th 2022 at 3:54:50 PM

Looks like that's it. Locking as resolved.

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5th May '22 10:22:20 PM

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Consensus was originally to split Prongs Of Poseidon between Poseidon-influenced tridents, Satan-influenced tridents, and gladiator-influenced tridents. However, on the second page of this thread, the tropeworthiness of gladiator-influenced tridents has been questioned. Should the creation of a trope for gladiator-influenced tridents be skipped?

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