Trump and ROCEJ

It is very much a candidate. Suggest it over there.

Should I remove this example from YMMV.Ani Mat?

• Harsher in Hindsight: When talking about The Emoji Movie teaser image in the 52nd Animation Podcast, he stated that Donald Trump becoming President is very unlikely to happen. Guess who was elected President on November 2016.

Is Trump a character in the movie? If not, then he has no relevance to the trailer for it.

What do we do with presidential entry under Younger and Hipper?

Burn it to the ground.

Look at the trope description. The very first line is the trope: "When a work is revamped, relaunched, or reconceived with a young (or younger, at any rate) cast, despite the ages of the characters in the original source material. "

Always start with the trope description. 96 times out of 100 you'll be able to tell whether it's a valid example or not just from that.

@Mr Media Guy 2: Burn it down. It's not appropriate as it explicitly states that Trump winning the presidency is a bad thing. Even if it was, that would be an example of a "Funny Aneurysm" Moment not Harsher in Hindsight (as that comment was probably intended to be lighthearted).

Personal feelings on Trump notwithstanding, the fact that the election of the President of the United States would ever be seen as a "Funny Aneurysm" Moment or Harsher in Hindsight instead of Hilarious in Hindsight is a "Funny Aneurysm" Moment itself. People definitely did not feel that way about the elections Obama or Bush.

edited 22nd Apr '17 5:54:08 AM by LaptopGuy

Hey, so this is an example on YMMV.The Handmaids Tale implying Donald Trump wants to start an Iran-esque theocracy where woman are reduced to rape slaves:

• Values Resonance: Nearly every review of the TV series has noted how relevant the concept of a dystopia where women have no rights is in Donald Trump's America, though the series was conceived before he won the 2016 presidential election.

"the series was conceived before the election" implies that it has no relation to Trump. I'd say just cut the whole example based on that alone.

Alright, I'm cutting it.

Some recent (hours old as of this post) additions were added to HoistByHisOwnPetard.Real Life. I say it may be too soon to say at least. Any objections?

Update: cut recent political stuff and anything connecting too it. Enough stuff remains that it may be worth cutting outright, maybe even making it No Real Life.

edited 9th May '17 8:32:39 PM by Ferot_Dreadnaught

This recent addition to Overshadowed by Controversy:

• Vladimir Putin is the man who returned Russia to super power status after the disasters of the 1990s. Unfortunately, the annexation of the Crimean Peninsula (while they did vote to it, it was not recognized as an indepedent country), the pro-russian paramilitary factions in Useful Notes/Ukraine, Russia's anti LGBT laws, and his reputation as a Petty Tyrant with a lack of tolerance for political oppositors have given him many detractors, inside and outside of Russia.

Besides much current and ongoing controversy tying directly into ROCEJ... This makes me think Overshadowed by Controversy requires at least a minimum amount of time to have passed before it can be safely said to be so. Any thoughts?

How does this example from YMMV.Doctor Who S 14 E 4 The Face Of Evil fare?

• Values Resonance: The Doctor's claim that "The very powerful and the very stupid have one thing in common. They don't alter their views to fit the facts, they alter the facts to fit their views" began trending when Kellyanne Conway made the infamous 'Alternative Facts' statement on January 22nd 2017... precisely 40 years after the episode where this line aired.

Garbage. Delete it.

Found this on YMMV.Two Weeks Notice:

• Hilarious in Hindsight / Harsher in Hindsight: There's a throwaway joke that Sandra Bullock's character has never cried "except when Bush won" (both of them), and that "[she] was on the White House's enemy list at age 5". Donald Trump makes a cameo in the film, and he'd later go on to become President.

Delete.

Cut the following from YMMV.The Onion?

• Cry for the Devil ‘Why Can I Never Seem To Say The Right Thing?’ Weeps Trump Into Pillow

• "Funny Aneurysm" Moment:
  • "After Obama Victory, Shrieking White-Hot Sphere Of Pure Rage Early GOP Front-Runner For 2016" became this in light of Donald Trump's 2016 Presidential campaign. The sphere's top pick for a potential running mate is the "Horrible Lurking Fog of Racism", it gives a speech where the only intelligible words are "guns, not our America" and "faggots", and the announcement that Hillary Clinton is "not ruling out" a 2016 Presidential run causes it to quadruple in size. One of the comments in the YouTube version of the video says it best:
  "Fuck, it's even orange..."

Even without ROCEJ, those wouldn't be good examples. The first violates Weblinks Are Not Examples, and the second doesn't appear to fit the trope no matter what you think of Trump.

This was recently added to YMMV.Guardians Of The Galaxy Vol 2:

• Harsher in Hindsight: While this film was made before his election, it's eerie how many parallels Ego has with Donald Trump: both are quite old (Trump is 71, while Ego is eons/millenia old) but act and think in very childish, immature ways; both have had children with multiple women; and both are extremely narcissistic and see their children as extensions of themselves. Also, neither of them view any of their actions or statements as wrong or evil, even though they may horrify others. All in all, it's quite terrifying when you can compare a President of the United States to a Marvel villain!

Yeah, that's serious shoehorning. The parallels are superficial.

I found this on YMMV.Red vs.Blue:

• Harsher in Hindsight: Chairman Hargrove is the CEO of a major corporation who is also a politician. In 2016, Donald Trump, a major businessman, was elected President of the United States. And we will not go any further.

I'm guessing this should be cut right?

edited 29th May '17 8:31:25 PM by ElloMe

Yes, definitely.

There are a ton of questionable examples on Didn't See That Coming:

• Donald Trump in the 2016 Republican Primary was expected to be a repeat of the quickly-surging-then-tanking Hermain Cain from 2012 ^* as it turned out, the Herman Cain analogue turned out to be Ben Carson (ironically, also the only black candidate in that field and a non-politician), who did surge very highly (at one point in late October/early November 2015, his polling numbers were above Trump) but then Carson encountered his own version of Didn't See That Coming when the Nov. 2015 Paris terror attack put national security & foreign policy at the top of the agenda, a field he was extremely weak in (there were reports he needed tutors just to coach him on the basics of foreign policy), and Carson's campaign almost completely collapsed, going from around 25-30% to the single digits, but instead the Donald turned into something of an Outside-Context Problem for the entire Republican establishment, who were so used to traditional politics they had absolutely no idea how to campaign against someone like Trump. Not only did he have a better idea of how to manipulate the media for more coverage than anyone else in the field, he freely admitted to changing his mind on positions (defusing many attempts to characterize him as a "flip-flopper" with his perceived honesty), and owned his elitism instead of hiding it. Nor could donors be counted on to rein him in since he was rich enough to fund his campaign himself (and other donors were afraid of the pushback they might get from him and his supporters for opposing him so blatantly). And without a political past, opponents had trouble finding attacks that would stick.
  • Ted Cruz, one of the other Republicans, got waylaid by this trope as well. In the early going, the well-funded Cruz, who enjoyed strong support from movement conservatives for his principled stands despite those very same stands having alienated his fellow Republicans in Congress, figured Trump would quit as soon as he'd gotten his vanity fix, leaving a large bloc of voters there for the taking. Unfortunately for Cruz, Trump didn't and began racking up primary victories. Cruz won his share, staying in the race even as almost every other candidate dropped out, but had neglected to have a backup plan and started pinning his hopes of winning the nomination on procedural maneuvering at the convention, putting him in an uneasy alliance with the party establishment he'd originally positioned himself as running against. These actually increased support for Trump, and Cruz dropped out with a month left to go in the primaries.
• Hillary Clinton - twice! She was a shoo-in for the nomination in 2008. Sure, there might be another, similarly qualified candidate challenging her - maybe Al Gore would throw his hat into the race once more. But an African American freshman senator with a funny name? What's he gonna do? Win Iowa? Until very close to the end, she seemed to have been unable to see coming what ultimately happened - two terms of Obama. Fast forward to the 2016 race and Clinton was once more a shoo-in for the nomination, allegedly working the field before officially announcing to avoid any challengers. But then some elderly ex-mayor of Burlington, Vermont, a Jew from Brooklyn who calls himself a Democratic socialist comes from nowhere and beats her in New Hampshire. It remained to be seen if she had become Genre Savvy enough to win it all this time, but it is safe to assume that she did not see either of that coming.
  • And then there was the Michigan primary. Polls had Hillary up by as much as 20 points, but ultimately Sanders won. FiveThirtyEight (a polling aggregation site run by Nate Silver that is usually pretty good in its predictions) spent most of the time after the polls closed trying to make sense of what had just happened.
  • However, Sanders was unable to build on this because of his difficulty winning over (1) black voters and (2) superdelegates^note The Democrats award about 10% of their delegate slots in each jurisdiction to party insiders, such as members of Congress, governors, state legislators, and high-ranking party staffers. (By contrast, the Republicans do not do this.) These delegates are not bound at all by the voting results in their area. Hillary had the public support of about 90% of the superdelegates who publicly expressed a preference., and although he continued to win primaries Hillary mathematically clinched the nomination before the primaries ended.
• The entire global political establishment was hit with this when Trump won the 2016 election in spite of all of the news media and opinion polls stating otherwise. What makes this such a massive example of this trope was that according to campaign insiders, Clinton was so sure of victory that she spent most of her time campaigning in battleground states (and even spent time campaigning in states that were guaranteed to go Republican: Arizona and Texas) that she failed to realize Trump's economic messaging was resonating extremely well among white working-class liberals, and thus was completely blindsided when Trump took traditionally blue states like Michigan, Pennsylvania, and Wisconsin^note The last time these three states ever voted for a Republican president was in The '80s that she had taken for granted.

Plus:

• The firing of James Comey from his position as head of the FBI turned into this for the Trump administration where under the False Assumptions that the Democrats would cheer on Trump for getting rid of a guy they hated instead had them point out just how suspicious the entire action was, and ultimately caused a lot of backlash. Comey, for his part, didn't see his firing coming and learned about it when he saw a report on TV about it, which he initially thought was a prank.

In fact, I might run it through RL section maintenance.

that might be a Good idea.

BTW it Seems Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D. has some Trump references/potholes in both the YMMV page and 3 recaps. (some of tropes that have other non-Trump related examples listed on their pages)

YMMV. several examples:

• Better Than Canon: Season 4 "Agents of HYDRA" story arc aired around the same time as the fairly divisive Secret Empire story arc was taking place in the Marvel comics. Both involve American society being successfully taken over by HYDRA, with some beloved characters reality-warped into lifelong HYDRA supporters, and feature pretty heavy-handed commentary on the current American politics. However, the TV writers avoided the massive fan backlash over They Changed It, Now It Sucks! that the comics faced by explicitly setting their story in an Alternate Reality. Their version of the story received high praise from both the critics and the fans, while the comics Crisis Crossover is thus far highly controversial at best.
• Hilarious in Hindsight sub-bullet:
  • In the Framework, Bakshi is a media figure, complete with a political show, and is implied to be sexually harassing one of his aides prior to a broadcast.^note He uses the euphemism "furniture shopping", which is likely taken from a quote by Donald Trump that the best way to woo a woman is furniture shopping. The episode in which this was shown aired six days after Bill O'Reilly was fired from Fox News, and his political show on the channel The O Reilly Factor cancelled, after multiple sexual harassment claims. Bakshi's political show is even called The Bakshi Report, while The O'Reilly Factor's original title was The O'Reilly Report.
• What Do You Meanits Not For Kids sub-bullets (including 2 3rd level ones):
  • The Framework reality in the final third of Season 4 has so many references to current American politics it cannot be called parallel, but more of a deliberate Take That!:
    • Framework!Fitz says HYDRA will "make our society great again", which practically verbatim was used as Donald Trump's campaign slogan in real life.
    • Simmons calling out HYDRA's history books "complete disregard for historic and scientific facts" is another Take That! against the Donald Trump administration, often called out for precisely that, with a mention about how the books don't mention The Holocaust seemingly referencing how there was no mention of Jews in the White House's Holocaust Remembrance Day tribute in January 2017. If that wasn't clear enough, the following episode have Coulsion say "HYDRA doesn't think we're smart enough to know when we're being fed alternative facts."

Recap.Agents Of SHIELDS 4 E 17 Identity And Change. 1 example:

• Does This Remind You of Anything?: Fitz orders the HYDRA agents to hunt down Jemma, whom he calls a terrorist and concludes by saying "We'll make our society great again."

Recap.Agents Of SHIELDS 4 E 18 No Regrets 2 examples:

• Does This Remind You of Anything? sub-bullet:
  • HYDRA "history" books make no mention of the Trail of Tears, The Holocaust or Martin Luther King Jr. Simmons calls it "a complete disregard of historical and scientific facts". Maybe they are "alternative facts".
• Take That! sub-bullet:
  • Simmons calling out HYDRA's history books "complete disregard for historic and scientific facts" is the second Take That! (after "We'll make our society great again" from the previous episode) against the Donald Trump administration, often called out for precisely that.

Recap.Agents Of SHIELDS 4 E 19 All The Madames Men 1 example:

• Take That! sub-bullet:
  • Coulson's broadcast rails against "alternative facts".

edited 31st May '17 12:56:20 AM by MorningStar1337

RE: Agents Of SHIELD:

• Better Than Canon doesn't seem to apply because AOS is canon? It isn't fan fiction or fanon, so that example can probably be cut. The entry itself seems to be calling the show an adaptation rather than fanon.
• Hilarious in Hindsight (and Harsher in Hindsight) entries like that can generally just be cut.
• What Do You Mean, It's Not for Kids?: That's not the trope that entry is listed under. It's listed as What Do You Mean, It's Not Political?. That said, I think the pothole for the first bullet needs to go.

The whole string of bullets is...:

That first sub-bullet could probably go for not being real (unless anyone can find something substantiating it? I did a basic Google search and found nothing). The third one should probably go; after all, how is Framework!Fitz similar to Trump other than saying one line? It just seems like someone happened to say a stockphrase. The fourth sub-bullet needs to go, imo. The troper who added that probably forgot that the type of government America has is "republican" regardless of what political party holds power, but despite that ignorance, the content in the note markup concerns Jeff Sessions, who has nothing to do with this work (breaks the second rule in the list within the stickied comment in this thread). The last sub-bullet seems to just be a Take That! example in disguise.

• Does This Remind You of Anything?: For both of those examples, they break the second rule in the stickied comment in this thread. It is not the case that the entirety of the example has to do with the portrayal of Donald Trump in the work.
• Take That!: The same can be said for the Take That! examples.

Okay I removed most of the content as per Water Blap's suggestions (Only edited the YMMV so far and I Merged the 2nd level bullet with the lone 3rd level subullet until I am sure that has to go as well.) I'm gonna remove the entries listed in the recap pages.

EDIT: 2/3 recaps done. I removed both Take That examples and left the DTRYOA example on "No Regrets" with a removal of the pothole to Trump (again pending further opinions).

EDIT 2: Examples pertaining to the MAGA snowclone has been purged from the mentioned Agents of SHIELD pages.

EDIT 3: And I missed a pothole on the YMMV page...lovely.

edited 5th Jun '17 3:31:46 PM by MorningStar1337