Is this an example?

These entries are for Insecure Love Interest, but I want to run them by the board and make sure I have a proper understanding of the trope.

• Both halves of My Love Story!!'s main couple experience this. Takeo primarily before their Relationship Upgrade, Yamato after:
  • Pre-upgrade, Takeo has spent his entire life up to that point seeing the girls he likes prefer his Bishōnen best friend, Suna. So, despite mounting evidence to the contrary, it never occurs to him Yamato might reciprocate his growing feelings and he instead tries to play The Matchmaker with her and Suna. This persists until Suna engineers a confession out of Yamato with Takeo in earshot. He's much better afterward, but self-aware enough of his faults that he's hesitant to make any big moves without first consulting Suna.
  • Post-Upgrade, Yamato worries about being good enough for Takeo. Takeo's more old-fashioned values and putting Yamato on a pedestal cause her to worry that he will reject her because she desires to move their relationship forward; even with something as simple as holding hands. She also experiences some low key possessiveness because she can not comprehend that the Gonky Takeo isn't typically popular with girls and frets about having to fight for him. Fortunately, once he's aware of these issues himself, Takeo assures her he'll be glad to move faster if that's what Yamato wants and tells her he loves her and only her. Yamato has far fewer worries after this and later takes the initiative in kissing Takeo for the first time.

edited 9th Feb '16 8:40:11 AM by sgamer82

Got some Narm that needs looking over from YMMV.Super Smash Bros. Do note that this is a Fighting Game that doesn't take itself completely seriously.

• Because Greninja made its first fully-voiced appearance in Smash, some fans attested that its slightly silly voice and Pokémon Speak made it sound unthreatening when juxtaposed with its Badass design and moveset.
• Some of male Robin's dialogue comes off as this, which isn't that surprising considering the spotty voice acting which has, up until very recently, plagued the series he hails from. "It would seem our fates are joined" in particular has very similar inflection to Ike's infamous "I fight for my friends" (itself a source of Narm) and is noticeably worse than Robin's voice acting in Awakening proper. Thankfully averted for Female Robin, though.
• Fox's voice acting in U/3DS is provided by Mike West, the man who previously voiced him in Star Fox 64 3D. The problem is his voice has clearly aged beyond the youthful voice Fox has in the original Star Fox 64, making the character sound rather strained and dorky rather than cocky. His voice in Melee isn't much better, considering he sounds exactly like a Japanese man speaking English with an accent.^note It doesn't help much that Fox and Falco's voices are clearly English in the respective Adventure mode cutscene, instead of using those entirely outside Japan.
• Male Corrin's dialogue comes off as this, no thanks to the delivery of lines such as "I win!" in an incredibly jarring child-like tone.^note To his credit, male Corrin is better voiced acted. Female Corrin, like female Robin above, averts this trope with a more fitting attitude for combat.
  • Male Corrin's KO cry sounds more like he was scared by a ghost. ^note His other KO cry however "How... can this?", doesn't sound as narmy.
  • The voice acting in his announcement trailer was rather…off. Especially Elise, who sounds less like a concerned sister and more like a snotty brat.

Elise: He's my brother!

• Bayonetta's screams when she is hit. Granted, She also does this in her original games but unlike there where you don't hear it well, and also very often, here, you're gonna hear it a lot.

If a tree falls in the forest and nobody remembers it, who else will you have ice cream with?

Okay so it's been about a fortnight since I posted these examples from Divergent back on the previous page, and I still need someone to check whether they matched the appropriate tropes or not

• Bad Guys Do the Dirty Work: In Insurgent, Tori, one of Tris' friends, kills Jeanine near the end of the novel to avenge her brother. In its film adaptation, it's instead Evelyn who does the job, likely to foreshadow the fact that she is much crueler than she appears to be.
• Defeat Means Friendship: In Allegiant, after Nita’s failed rebellion, she gets imprisoned, but is freed so she can work together with Tris and the others to stop David from releasing the memory serum.
• Disc-One Final Boss: Nita is the antagonist for the second act of Allegiant, even though Tris originally collaborates with her to take down the Bureau. When she fails, she gets imprisoned and later redeems herself by working with Tris to stop David's plan.
• Easily Forgiven: Tris's parents forgive her for going into the Dauntless regime, especially when her father has to go into hiding with the Abnegation.
• Forgiven, but Not Forgotten: Tris in Divergent takes a while to forgive Christina and Will for not protecting her when Peter, Drew and Al kidnapped her, molested her, and tried to throw her down a chasm. By the time she does, she realizes that she can't trust anyone in the Divergent army except for Four.
• I Need a Freaking Drink: In Divergent, Tris's fellow initiates pass around a silver flask with something strong right before Al's funeral. She refuses to partake in it.
• This Is Unforgivable!: Will, Christina and Tris treat Al this way after he assists Peter and Drew in attempting to kill Tris. They become more ambivalent after Al kills himself but never speak of it again.

So, a while back, someone added this entry to Awesome.Captain America The Winter Soldier, as a second bullet point underneath the Honest Trailers quote:

• Cinemasins on the other hand, tore it apart like many movies

I deleted it, because I didn't think it sounded awesome for the movie to gain a hater (it didn't help that the person who wrote this spoiler-tagged the name of the show, making me think it also related to the Honest Trailer somehow), but did it sound fair of me to do that without asking someone else's permission?

edited 10th Feb '16 11:06:00 AM by dsneybuf

That's pure natter. Murderate it.

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Warrior Cats is on both What Do You Mean, It's for Kids? and What Do You Mean, It's Not for Kids?.

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So… it’s been about 19 days since I first posted the examples from Divergent above , and I’m still waiting for someone to check whether they match the appropriate tropes or not.

Looking at them, they generally seem fine compared to the tropes definitions. The only ones I would personally quibble with are:

• I Need a Freaking Drink - Since Tris didn't. Depending on how it's presented it might be worth noting as a subversion in her case.
• Disc-One Final Boss since you name the person as the boss of the second act.
• Defeat Means Friendship - Do they actually become friends and/or allies or is it just a Boxed Crook kind of deal?

I'm also personally prickly about All-White Entries, but I'll note that's more just me.

I found this example on YMMV.The Magic School Bus, and I honestly doubt it really can count as an example. I'm not sure though, thoughts?

Yeah that doesn't count. By that logic EVERY use of that song in a humorous or jaunty vein becomes an example.

Not to mention that the "March of the Toreadors" is a Standard Snippet.

EDIT: Moreover, it's clear from the trope description that the later developments must come from works in the same continuity or from Real Life, not from an unrelated work.

edited 16th Feb '16 11:44:45 AM by Gideoncrawle

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These have been added to Shadowhunters:

• Arranged Marriage: The Lightwoods are planning one for Alec as a means of restoring the family power and honor.
• Beware the Honest Ones: Isabelle's mother says this about the Seelies in "Of Men and Angel":
  Maryse: Never trust a species who cannot lie. They'll find much more inventive ways to stab you in the back.
• Gayngst: Alec has enough of it to fuck up the summoning of a memory demon who, as payment, wanted everyone involved in the summoning to give up a precious memory of the person they loved the most.
• Heterosexual Life-Partners: Being parabatai is the Shadowhunter version of this: It means that two warriors fight together as one, with their hearts beating in unison. When one dies, the other immediately knows it. Jace claims that it's stronger than any human bond, but Clary counters that she has the same kind of bond with Simon.
• Platonic Life-Partners: As in the source material, Clary and Simon are each other's closest friends and confidantes.
• Pragmatic Adaptation: The series follows the same basic story as the novels, but with setting changes and plot developments revealed in a significantly different order.
  • Clary's mother tries to proactively tell her about her heritage and the associated dangers on her birthday (foiled by Clary rushing out the door) in contrast to the books, where she struggles to keep Clary in the dark until the villain strikes, even though she knows the ruse is crumbling and her daughter is in danger.
  • The Shadowhunters use significantly more modern technology than their book counterparts. Their base includes banks of high-tech equipment and computer displays to quickly convey the sense of a bustling, organized agency in a visual medium.
  • The circumstances of Simon’s vampire encounter and kidnapping was changed to be deliberate on the part of the vampires, in contrast to the book’s tangent involving the main characters crashing a party and running afoul of a magical party trick.
• Take My Hand!: A variation. When Magnus is running out of strength to continue healing Luke, he asks Alec for help. Alec replies by holding out his hand and telling him to take his strength, whatever he needs to keep going.

Most of them seem okay but I think Gayngst needs to be expanded.

Would a character described as the descendant of a demigod count as a case of Heroic Lineage or Divine Parentage?

• When describing the group who killed the fire dragon in Gate, human wizard Leilei is said to be a descendant of one of the demigods who founded her home city of Rondel.

edited 21st Feb '16 1:35:24 PM by sgamer82

I think Divine Parentage. Tropes Are Flexible.

edited 21st Feb '16 5:46:46 PM by Karxrida

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It's probably a good idea to include what the Divine Parentage means for the character. How does that make them different from normal mortals?

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That's what makes me think Heroic Lineage may be a better fit. For what it's worth, in the case of the particular character, Leilei is a highly intelligent and powerful mage at the age of 15.

I don't see how they're exclusive to each other. Divine Parentage is probably more about the biological side of being, while Heroic Lineage is more about the personality that drives and makes a character act like hero. Divine is what you are, and heroics are what you do. It's not a definitive distinction between them as much as what's usually emphasised, though.

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True. Heroic Lineage's description even says they can overlap.

Just not sure which one, if either, best fits the particular situation. I may end up going Divine Parentage, though I had concerns about just how far removed the parentage could be to count (a far off descendant might be pushing the definition)

If the lineage is at least partially responsible for the character's power, I think it is probably safe to include it.

It's mentioned too off handedly to be certain, but it's said while describing her role in fighting a gigantic dragon, so the implication is there.

On Dredd, an entry for Hollywood Tactics was added about the film averting the trope, compared to Judge Dredd (the Stalone film from The '90s).

Setting aside that Hollywood Tactics isn't an Omnipresent Trope nor is it an expected trope for the setting/genre (which are the main reasons that aversions would be worthy of mention), it seems to me that the film should stand or fall on its own merits in regards to the trope instead of how it compares to another film, especially since the two films aren't in the same continuity.

Am I being unreasonable here?

edited 22nd Feb '16 6:50:48 AM by Nohbody

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No, you are right. We should not be comparatively troping different adaptations of the same material.

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Does R-Rated Opening apply even if the movie is actually rated R and the opening scene doesn't feel out of place with the overall feel of the movie?