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- Pure porn, or porn with an Excuse Plot only,
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- If it's paedophile-pandering approximately how old are the characters involved? What happens? Is it graphic? Is it merely implied?
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- When are the sex scenes located?
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- Guro: Violence played for titillation. (contrast Gorn)
- 5P or P5: The panel that administered the policy prior to the review system being overhauled in 2022. See 5P.
- P(a)edoshit: Older term for "P(a)edopandering", deprecated for being inflammatory.
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Also, questions about the policy can be asked here. They will be added to this thread's FAQ section once answered.
Edited by Mrph1 on May 5th 2024 at 6:00:30 PM
EDIT: I was reffered to go here in Ask The Tropers.
So I've thought about making a page for Edo Porn but as you can see from the title alone, there are several hurdles that's preventing me from just going ahead.
- It has sexual content, though it's nothing more risque than 300.
- there are shots of booty and tits, but intercourse and wo/man parts (Furo Scene at the start of the movie) always have the convenient Scenery Censor.
- It's about the works of Hokusai, as in the guy who made "Dream of the Fisherman's Wife". and yes, that does mean it depicts the infamous Tentacle Rape (although it's depicted as consensual, and no kitty shot), which is a Red Link. If this article is allowed, where would I link to instead?
- It is otherwise a Biopic of Hokusai before he got big time, and the aforementioned sex stuff are just there for Fanservice. they easily could have had the girl drawn Behind the Black and just show the finished product, but no, a movie with gratuitous sex scenes is better than a movie without one (okay, the girl was Hokusai's The Muse he was quite obsessed on, but the sex scenes are still uncalled for).
Question, is this Kosher?
edited 28th Jun '14 7:23:13 AM by ShanghaiSlave
Is dast der Zerstorer? Odar die Schopfer?
Apparition in the Woods
Didn't Hokusai start out as an "artist of the floating world"? If so, the sex might have some plot relevance, much in the same way Toulouse-Latrec hanging out in brothels (and cooking chicken) would be relevant. The nature of that art is almost intrinsically risqué.
I'll hide your name inside a word and paint your eyes with false perception.![[up]](https://static.tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pub/smiles/arrow_up.png "[up]"){kind=icon}
Yes. though IMO, it could have still been there but offscreen via Sexy Discretion Shot.
so anyway, given we seem to be in the same page, would such article be OK to write? it requires a Red Link article for it to make any sense. "Dream of The Fisherman's Wife" was depicted to be his most important work (or at least, what he wanted to be the start of his line of Magnum Opus), since the movie focuses it's conception for a whole 5 or so minutes, while the "36 views of Mt Fuji" were more or less glossed over.
Is dast der Zerstorer? Odar die Schopfer?
That summary doesn't look like it panders to paedophiles or is porno so it seems safe.
"For a successful technology, reality must take precedence over public relations, for Nature cannot be fooled." - Richard Feynman
Shieldage
I'd like to link to the NSFW http://www.tthfanfic.org/Story-30277/TattleTail+Per-Verse.htm as it has a fairly decent plot and strong game mechanics. Set in Sunnydale High so all the named characters, including Dawn - thanks to points being invested in her character sheet before the start of the game, are over 16. There's a bunch of random public kink - which I find odd - but the parts that have me wanting to list it as an example under Sudden Game Interface are executed well.
The entry would be something like:
- The very NSFW Per-Verse by TattleTail has Xander Peggy Sue from the Sunnydale Crater to the beginning of the series. He's offered a choice of different worlds to rebuild with the points earned from his last playthrough. The Alternate Universe where they're all superheroes is tempting, but he ultimately decides on the kinkiest one available. His Diegetic Interface is a nicely designed smartphone, which he puts to good use.
edited 1st Jul '14 10:19:55 PM by Shieldage
Is there any need to make the link? People can look the fic up themselves if they're that curious.
Shieldage
Ah... So this particular example entry's safe if I leave the text and title as is, but remove the two hyperlinks to the work in question? Thank you, did not realize that was an option.
edited 2nd Jul '14 6:36:28 AM by Shieldage
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even if that's a "yes". What would i link to in place of Tentacle Rape? It's kinda an important plot point.
Is dast der Zerstorer? Odar die Schopfer?
This post was thumped by the Shillelagh of Whackingness
You'll have to leave it untroped methinks - especially since we are listing tropes here, which may or may not include "important plot points".
"For a successful technology, reality must take precedence over public relations, for Nature cannot be fooled." - Richard Feynman
Technically, I think we left Naughty Tentacles open for unlocking if a proper article could be written, but it was such a hassle that everyone gave up. At this point if the tentacles are the only trope you can think of then it'll just have to go unmentioned.
so tentacles aside, the article i want to write is A-OK?
I'm still looking for a Not-Tentacle-Sex alternative in Ask The Tropers. the major scene of drawing the nude with an octopus as a prop simply cannot go unmentioned. it's like writing an article for Lolita without mentioning the forbidden relationship.
Is dast der Zerstorer? Odar die Schopfer?
We do have Combat Tentacles and Forced to Watch, which may be good tropes.
Also, I see that Eddie just cut Hive Fled with the cut reason "you must be kidding".
"For a successful technology, reality must take precedence over public relations, for Nature cannot be fooled." - Richard Feynman Neither of those are in play. it's more Naughty Tentacles(or Perverse Cephalopods) but it simply cannot be.
and i don't even wanna know what Hive Fled is to warrant such a reason.
Is dast der Zerstorer? Odar die Schopfer?
Until further notice
I had to look up the subs. If you have to reference The Dream of the Fisherman's Wife, try It's Not Porn, It's Art: Hokusai uses the excuse of his "vision" in order to persuade the model to pose nude with the octopus.
Not a substitute for a formal medical consultation.
It didn't really sound like instant-cut material due to claims of plot, though.
edited 3rd Jul '14 6:42:41 AM by Adannor
R.I.P 2 My Youth
...the hell is a Hive Fled?
"Polite life will fill you full of cancer." - Iggy Pop "I've seen the future, brother, it is murder." -Leonard Cohen
Now has an in-progress character page.
It was brought up here.
Are you guys going to look at it or let it be nuked?
edited 3rd Jul '14 6:43:20 AM by Adannor
Until further notice
I skimmed through it. Here. I'm comfortable with putting the link up publicly because I can safely say that it's not porn and it's not torture porn. It's just a really dark Homestuck fic. There are references to Troll sexuality, porn and rape, but nothing explicit. I cannot vouch for the Tumblr account, but the fic itself is okay.
(This would've been easier if I understood anything about Homestuck.)
Having said that... With an opening paragraph like that, is it any wonder that Eddie panicked and cut the page? *facepalm*
edited 3rd Jul '14 7:24:28 AM by Pyrite
Not a substitute for a formal medical consultation.
Also note that while in canon Homestuck the characters are underage, this fic takes place later in the timelines, with few references across the tropepages indicating characters of 16+ age and noting the author's distaste for underage sex, so it would be clear on the pedo pandering front.
edited 3rd Jul '14 7:41:21 AM by Adannor
Until further notice
Well, chapter 40 has them say they're the equivalent of "teenagers", so I can't argue with that.
Not a substitute for a formal medical consultation.
For a bit of background info, Pyrite: trolls' age is measured in "sweeps" which are twice as long as Earth years, and all characters in the groups are of the same age - so if one of them is "eight sweeps" then all young trolls are, as are the humans (16 years)
edited 3rd Jul '14 10:49:39 AM by Adannor
Until further notice
Yeah, the authors thankfully remembered to put that in the chapter too. But anyway, back to the subject: my opinion - safe content, bad introductory paragraph. Suggest restoration and a little rewrite of the opening para.
Not a substitute for a formal medical consultation.1366 "Hokusai"
Hmm, the subs i had have him openly claim his work to be porn.EDIT: before i get misread AGAIN, Hokusai specifically claims "I draw porn" but i forgot the rest of the context. and in fact, he wants his Magnum Opus be not 36 views of Mt fuji but ... I forgot the exact number, but it's "Series of girls in pleasure" or something like that.
The flow goes like this:
- He calls in the model because she's (insert trope note )
- >> asks her to strip in front of him and she goes "Not What I Signed on For" and runs off
- >> hokusai is saddened >> he goes to the beach >> saw some girls playing with octopus >> gets a "Eureka!" Moment, buys an octopus >>
- >> asks her to strip in front of him and she goes "Not What I Signed on For" and runs off
- and goes home to tell his scenario to the reluctant model, who turns out to be (insert trope note ) >>
- We are treated to a Dream Sequence(?) of the girl experiencing Hokusai's fantasy scenario, with back to back Smash Cut with the "reality" of her getting off on the octopus on her chest.
EDIT: wrong wikiword.
edited 4th Jul '14 2:39:57 AM by ShanghaiSlave
Is dast der Zerstorer? Odar die Schopfer?
Looking at his edit history, he seems or be a Blue Nose Bowlderiser