Apparently, this is where the Grand Finale inflicts a Disney Death on the entire cast, only to bring them back for the final battle.

Really, the title seems to imply a particularly Cheesy Fight Scene. Worse still, it mentions it's a reference a scene from Pulp Fiction without actually explaining what that scene is. And our page for Pulp Fiction doesn't explain it, either.

Perhaps a name like Final Battle Resurrection would be better? Something that makes what it is clearer, at least.

A cursory look at a few links shows at least three instances where it seems to be used as "cheesy final battle." This should be more closely looked at.

Yeah, from the title I thought it was a really cheesy battle.

Then this is really a case of the name being "misused" instead of "ambiguous".

Misuse due to really bad, non-indicative trope name. Let's dig into its wicks and see how widespread the problem is ...

First fifty:

• Aggressive Negotiations: doesn't mention resurrection, so I think this is Misuse
• Alien Invasion: Misuse
• All for Nothing: Used correctly
• And Shine Heaven Now: Misuse
• Angel Beats!: Misuse
• Even Evil Has Standards/Anime And Manga: Misuse
• Anyone Can Die: used correctly
• Aquanox: Misuse
• Archie Comics Sonic The Hedgehog: Misuse
• Army of the Dead: Used correctly
• Avatar Battle Royale: Misuse
• Back from the Brink: Misuse
• Backup from Otherworld: Used correctly
• Bait-and-Switch Credits: Misuse
• Baldr Sky: Used correctly
• Batman The Brave And The Bold: Insufficient detail to be sure, but likely misuse
• Battle Royale: Used correctly
• Blazing Saddles: Misuse
• Bleach: Misuse
• Blessed Are the Cheesemakers: Just a link to other tropes with 'Cheese' in the title, so used correctly
• Bosses Other Games: Used correctly
• Breather Episode: Used correctly
• Fan Fic/BZPRPG: Misuse
• Changing of the Guard: Misuse
• Character Filibuster: Misuse
• Checkerboard Nightmare: Misuse
• Chekhov's Army: Uncertain
• Choro Q: Misuse
• Chuck Norris Facts: Misuse
• Anti Villain/Comic Books: Misuse
• Community S1 E23: Modern Warfare: Misuse
• Community S2 E06: Epidemiology: Uncertain
• Community S2 E11: Abed's Uncontrollable Christmas: Used correctly
• Darkwing Duck: Misuse
• Death Tropes: Used correctly
• Deconstruction: Misuse
• Deus Exit Machina: Misuse
• Devil Survivor 2: Misuse
• Digimon Adventure: Misuse
• Dominic Deegan: Uncertain
• Dragon Age II: Likely Misuse
• Drama Bomb Finale: Misuse
• Dwindling Party: Used correctly
• 8-Bit Theater: Doesn't mention revival, so probable Misuse
• End of an Age: Probable Misuse
• Enter The Arena As Your Avatar: Uncertain
• Awesome/Enter The Dragon: Misuse
• TearJerker/Enter The Dragon: Misuse

So if this is a representative sample, 68% of wicks are misuse. If that's not an indication that the name is bad, I don't know what is.

edited 30th Mar '12 11:48:22 AM by Morven

Usually the amounts of wicks to check is either 50 or the square root of the wick number, whichever is bigger. Details are on How to Do a Wick Check.

And it's also useful to note how it's being misused.

It's almost entirely being misused to mean 'extra cheesy final battle'. Not surprising, given that that's the literal meaning of the name.

Checking more to get it more statistically significant.

What, no one's misusing it to mean "a final battle held in France using the metric system"?

Yeah. Worst Pulp Fiction reference evar.

Expanded to fifty, no great difference in the results. Two thirds of the wicks are wrong.

I might be jumping the gun here, but if I see a trope that is getting more than 50% - assuming that can be read as this - misused (or just any number like that) for the trope name rather than the trope I ask for a rename crowner ASAP.

I don't think I've ever seen this one used correctly. Rename.

Any objections to jumping straight to an alternative names crowner here? I think the misuse is widespread and obvious enough to point to a rename as the only option.

None from me. More than 50% misuse is definitively in need of intervention.

I like Final Battle Resurrection, as a partner to First Episode Resurrection.

Support 15.

Support.

I concur.

And yes, when we have this large amount of misuse, we really don't need a popularity contest to see how many people like the current name. Let's just fix it.

Yep, this trope just seems to be named for an Incredibly Lame Pun about Battle Royale and a burger called Royale With Cheese.

More that these Battle Royal resurrections are really cheesy. Whats the point of a death scene in the a Battle Royal ( big fight with lots of separate encounters intercut together, not the book) if there is going to be Resurrection Reset Button pressed during the climax or after the battle is won.

I do not like Final Battle Resurrection as this does not have to happen in the Final Battle just a Climatic one where a death scene can serve a narrative purpose. (Naruto vs Pain did this in Naruto and it was nowhere near the Final Battle)

The description does need to be rewritten though. Do we have a trope where the Adventure Party or such end up encountering a fight and one stays while the others continue on because someone must make it to their target? (usually ends up vs the Designated Rival) because that is probably the most key aspect of this trope. EDIT: I guess it is part of Dwindling Party but that should probably be split up by the types oh well..

Climatic Battle Resurrection?

edited 3rd Apr '12 5:00:06 AM by Raso

Raso, you're looking for The Rest Shall Pass.

Announcing hooking of Alt-names crowner.

Thank you.

I edited Climatic Battle Resurrection to Climactic Battle Resurrection in the crowner as a likely typo.

Climactic Battle Resurrection is good - it doesn't have to be the final battle, after all. ;)