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RandomChaos No Dragon Power from My own little world Since: Oct, 2011
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#51: Jan 23rd 2012 at 10:40:35 AM

I was thinking about a short story or a late chapter of my Pokémon fan fiction that I've been meaning to write since ever. Where the main character. For some reason is forced to go into an official match with just her Snorlax , but because it's too late to call off the match and the officials didn't know she was missing her other Pokémon they decided to exempt her from the "Four moves per battle'' rule for this one battle.

However , I have the same time feel like I'm giving Snorlax too many attacks and not enough. Both for attack and trying to outlast the opponent.

  • Ability Thick fat
  • item leftovers
  • Body Slam Crunch
  • Zen Headbutt Earthquake
  • Rest, Protect
  • Substitute, Bulk Up

too much, not enough? so I had more offense more defense?

edited 23rd Jan '12 7:30:25 PM by RandomChaos

With the power of a dragon I can make up for my inability to spill.
punkreader Since: Dec, 1969
#52: Jan 27th 2012 at 6:36:23 AM

That looks good to me.

I finally have a title for my fic: "A Smell of Burning Embers".

AcesoldierZero Acesoldier Zero from Vicenza, Italy Since: Aug, 2009 Relationship Status: I wanna know about these strangers like me
#53: Jan 27th 2012 at 1:07:35 PM

I'm trying to find unpopular/underappreciated Pokemon for my character to use. I'm thinking Grimer, Kabutops, and Hypno, partially to give some love to some Pokemon that are ignored by most other writers. Not going for a Revenge Fic or anything, just primarily to try and see if I can write them in interesting ways.

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RandomChaos No Dragon Power from My own little world Since: Oct, 2011
No Dragon Power
#54: Jan 27th 2012 at 1:10:25 PM

Grimer is unpopler! How can this be?

With the power of a dragon I can make up for my inability to spill.
Winglerfish Electric Boogaloo Pt. 2 from somewhere. Since: Nov, 2010
Electric Boogaloo Pt. 2
#55: Feb 1st 2012 at 2:10:29 PM

[up] I was thinking the same in regards to Hypno.

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JuiceBoxHero from the butthole of Texas Since: Aug, 2009
#56: Feb 1st 2012 at 6:51:46 PM

Trying to do the same for my fic, except I'm combining the unpopular ones with some more popular ones.

I decided on the teams for both main characters and I think I've got it down:

Main Character A:

  • Arbok (main)
  • Forretress
  • Venomoth
  • Ampharos
  • Blissey
  • Mismagius

Main Character B:

Both the Electivire and the Bellossom know Attract.

punkreader Since: Dec, 1969
#57: Feb 3rd 2012 at 6:33:26 AM

In writing my first chapter, it feels strange to me to write something that's, at its core, lighthearted. I'm used to writing serious, dramatic things; changing the basic tone of my writing is challenging.

I am enjoying letting it get a little silly and referencing real life items (like Xenosaga and the PS2). I'm loving playing with anachronisms.

RandomChaos No Dragon Power from My own little world Since: Oct, 2011
No Dragon Power
#58: Feb 19th 2012 at 2:02:23 PM

I was trying to make OCs out of White and the Pokémon I like in the 5th gen but I could not bring it down to six or come up with good names for some of them. And the ones I do like are a Shout-Out.

  • Hilda White

  • Samurott Jack: a Pokémon that likes to razor shill first and ask questions later. Hasty to jump into battle

  • Stoutland Pumpkin
  • Zebstrika Zecora
  • Leavanny

  • Scrafty Shadow: sees himself as a ninja and having honer, Will prefer to fight fair but will still use toxic when the the chips are down 

  • Beheeyem Megamind: he's big headed 
  • Haxorus Spike: would rather smell the roses then fight. To worried he will hurt the opponent.  
  • Golurk Titan: A pokémon of few words
  • Bravery Warfeather

edited 21st Feb '12 1:21:25 PM by RandomChaos

With the power of a dragon I can make up for my inability to spill.
AcesoldierZero Acesoldier Zero from Vicenza, Italy Since: Aug, 2009 Relationship Status: I wanna know about these strangers like me
#59: Mar 7th 2012 at 8:51:22 PM

[up] I always imagined Scrafty as being pretty much the embodiment of Combat Pragmatist and/or Trying To Catch Me Fighting Dirty. That's an interesting route to take.

I'm going for sort of a Pokemon meets survival-horror/action type story, with a great deal of influence from many of the famous Creepypasta out there.

My premise is that about 14 years after the end of Gold/Silver, a man believed to be Red wakes up out of a coma and is almost immediately accused of bizarre actions such as murdering Gold. He starts out in a hospital with no Pokemon and is pursued by a cult, but I've come up with some of the personalities for the team he ends up building:

  • Grimer - Still working on this one. I was thinking having him be the most intellectual on the team, and probably the Only Sane Man given that the others all have their own agendas for joining with the protagonist, while Grimer was just caught at the beginning of the story.

  • Kabutops - Blood Knight, but honor-bound, and believes that it owes the protgonist a life-debt from freeing him from enemy use. Back from the Dead, was killed by the primary antagonist long ago.

  • Gengar - Much more of a Straight Man than he's normally portrayed as, originally belonged to Agatha prior to the story beginning.

  • Hypno - Hypno is probably the most relaxed and goofy member of the team, but it has a fanatical hatred of anyone who tries to harm a child or his trainer.

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RandomChaos No Dragon Power from My own little world Since: Oct, 2011
No Dragon Power
#60: Mar 15th 2012 at 7:13:58 AM

I completely overhauled my team for my original character Pokémon trainer. I've been meaning to write her story for ever and never got around to it. In her old incarnation of the team. http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/wiki/User:Random_Chaos

Thee things .

  • One I really suck at names.
  • Two even though I'm obviously ignoring move slots for the fan fiction. I'm unsure as to how to probably utilize this besides giving everybody Return. and giving Sigilyph/Nazca a couple of attacks for getting battles over with quickly.
  • Three need a Normal Type.
However, I do have characterization. that's one of my biggest problems with being a writer and that's even counting my spelling disability. I come up with characterization in my sleep plot on the other hand , is hard.

edited 15th Mar '12 7:18:08 AM by RandomChaos

With the power of a dragon I can make up for my inability to spill.
Tropernovan A Peanut Professor Since: Nov, 2010
A Peanut Professor
#61: Mar 27th 2012 at 12:40:31 AM

Anyone who frequents dA have probably noticed this Pokemon Mystery Dungeon community, which to be frank is impressively large and keeps activity well-alive through frequent story arcs. Especially given the main recurring characters, I was quite surprised to find that TVTropes has zero coverage on these guys.

edited 27th Mar '12 12:41:38 AM by Tropernovan

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JuiceBoxHero from the butthole of Texas Since: Aug, 2009
#62: Mar 29th 2012 at 7:56:32 AM

Could someone give me a list of cliches regarding Mary Sues/Original Trainers in Pokemon fics? I'm trying to write a deconstruction of sorts, and want to know what I can exploit.

FalconPain Since: Feb, 2015
#63: Mar 29th 2012 at 9:29:11 AM

Normally I'd be willing to note a number of Mary Sue lists floating around the Internet, or reference some of the already-existing parodies. But it occurs to me that if you don't already know how they usually go, you aren't in the best position to properly deconstruct them.

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#64: Mar 29th 2012 at 9:32:16 AM

I think he's looking for traits pertaining to Pokemon trainer Mary Sues, not just Sues in general. I mean, we have that right here on TVT already.

The only one I can think of now is the trainer waking up late after all the normal starters have been taken and getting an extra-special one instead (y'know, just like Ash). Catching legendaries with ease is probably another one, though I don't read enough Pokemon fanfiction to really say.

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FalconPain Since: Feb, 2015
#65: Mar 29th 2012 at 9:43:03 AM

There are also bits like rescuing the unfortunate abandoned Pokemon and winning its unconditional love, a general tendency to never lose battles, and the like. The ability to understand Pokemon is usually a giveaway.

One thing that bothers me about this list, though, is how the most common definitions of a Pokemon Mary Sue I've heard are easily summarized as "is like Ash Ketchum". And honestly, the playable characters in the games aren't far from it, either. I suppose the very idea of having powerful creatures that are loving and loyal to you already qualifies as wish fulfillment, right?

JuiceBoxHero from the butthole of Texas Since: Aug, 2009
#66: Mar 29th 2012 at 4:51:19 PM

I have a few different ideas and I'm already well aware of Mary Sue traits across all fandoms, I just wanted to be sure to hit all the ones pertaining to Pokemon Sues in particular.

The ones I already have are:

  • The protagonist having some sort of special/telepathic powers
  • The protagonist being the child of some plot-important character or related to anyone important somehow
    • I'm actually playing with this one a bit. The story is set in gameverse, but most of the interaction the main character has with non-OCs comes from extremely minor characters. Think Juggler Irwin, Youngster Joey, that guy in Viridian who forces the catching Pokemon tutorial on you, etc...
  • The protagonist can understand and communicate with Pokemon
  • The protagonist finds an abandoned or abused Pokemon, nurses it back to health, and wins its unconditional love
  • Too much attention put on the character's looks or wardrobe
  • A trainer starting at a later age but still somehow being on top of things because "they've been studying"
  • People packing a bunch of unreasonable items with them on their journey and then acting like it's nothing
  • Fight scenes somehow always following the game template
  • Main character always winning battles
  • The Pokedex entries, even the less ridiculous ones, always being GLEEFULLY IGNORED
    • This also has an application I'm working on: near the end of the story I'm having the protagonist get attacked by a Houndoom, over a pretty extensive area of her body (still wondering where.) She survives and goes on to live a mostly normal life, but since Houndoom burns never stop hurting, she has to take painkillers for the rest of her life just to keep the pangs down to a manageable level.
  • Protagonist hooks up with a canon character
  • Incredibly uncreative nicknames
  • The idea that somehow everything is solved via Pokemon battles
    • I'm actually going to avert this trope more than attempt a deconstruction: there is Fantasy Gun Control in the works, to explain the lack of firearms. Pokemon battles are still going to be the source of 90% of the action but that doesn't stop an Improvised Weapon or two, or even just Good Old Fisticuffs.
  • The overabundance of fucking shinies
  • The tendency to peg certain Pokemon, poison-types in particular, as "villainous"; this happens in the canon games as well.
  • EEVEE.

...did I miss anything

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#67: Mar 30th 2012 at 9:02:29 PM

Unorginality covers quite a few (though I think you got most of them).

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JuiceBoxHero from the butthole of Texas Since: Aug, 2009
#68: Mar 30th 2012 at 9:50:44 PM

As much as I dislike Farla, she does cover quite a few points. There's also a defunct LJ group for Pokemon sues that I'm scouring over for ideas.

I'm probably not going to deconstruct every single one, and I'm certainly not going for heavy drama—as much as I want to outline how serious some of this shit can actually be, I still want to end on a high note—but there are going to variations of some of these and cheap jabs at others, for sure.

I'm also working on making Team Rocket really outrageous while still making them Worthy Opponents and not idiots. I like to think that they're very fond of Refuge in Audacity: for example, the Lake of Rage incident worked because no one freaking suspects a giant radio evolution-forcing machine to be in their neighborhood, nor for such things to even exist..

JuiceBoxHero from the butthole of Texas Since: Aug, 2009
#69: Apr 8th 2012 at 11:46:04 AM

Just out of curiosity, I found the oldest surviving Pokemon fic on FF.net.

It's an Animorphs crossver, and not a very good one at that.

RandomChaos No Dragon Power from My own little world Since: Oct, 2011
No Dragon Power
#70: Apr 18th 2012 at 4:38:18 PM

Blaziken or Infernape?

With the power of a dragon I can make up for my inability to spill.
JuiceBoxHero from the butthole of Texas Since: Aug, 2009
#71: Apr 19th 2012 at 8:26:24 PM

Is it in Sinnoh or Hoenn?

Generally in fics I only use the Pokemon of whatever region the fic is set, unless it's a Pokemon with cross-generational evolutions (Such as Magmortar, Mismagius, etc.) which I make allowances for.

Psyga315 Since: Jan, 2001
#72: Nov 25th 2012 at 8:21:06 PM

Hurm... Anyone mind if I revive this? Because I have this idea... I'm pretty sure someone's done this before, but it involves Pokemon being humanized.

Basically, the setting is Unova, but with the Pokemon being replaced by humanized counterparts, and a handful of them have become the Gym Leaders and Elite Four for that region (E.X. instead of Cilan, Chili, and Cress, the Striaton City Gym Leaders are Simisage, Simisear, and Simipour), with the Gym Leaders/Elite Four now having different jobs (The Striaton Leaders still have their resturant, Cheren has a sort of school, etc.)

Our main character comes from Nimbasa City, working as a stagehand for Elesa. He comes across a guy harassing a woman and decides to defend her despite later finding out that the guy was actually the woman's father and that he just butted into a family problem (So yeah, the Bianca incident in Nimbasa). The father reveals himself to the MC as the "Red Flash Darmanitan", and promptly gives the MC a Curb-Stomp Battle. As the MC is defeated and Darmanitan is about to make off with dragging Bianca home, the MC has a Heroic Resolve, gets up, and shows Darmanitan a burning V on his forehead, to which he says...

"THIS V ON MY FOREHEAD REPRESENTS VICTORY! I SHALL NOT LET ANYONE SNATCH IT FROM MY HANDS! NOT EVEN AN OLD MAN LIKE YOU!", and then turns the tables on Darmanitan, defeating him. He soon learns from Bianca about what was going on and the idea of going from town to town to gain Gym Badges, then taking on the Elite Four to achieve the title of Champion. Interested, the MC (Oh, we already know it's Victini) sets off on his quest, soon followed by...

  • A Shrinking Violet/Lovable Coward named Oshawott who is scared of accepting her legacy as a samurai, and is promptly thrown out by her father to "grow a spine".
  • A White Prince/Smug Snake named Snivy who is cut off from his family funding because of said smugness and must make it out in the world without his family's support.
  • A Big Eater/Comic Relief named Tepig who wasn't kicked out like the previous two, and instead willingly left his home to follow Victini, who he claims was a very fun person.

And soon, Victini goes from town to town, taking on the Gym Leaders in hand to hand combat, with all your basic Shonen Anime Tropes.

TL;DR: Humanized Pokemon as a Fighting Series. Pretty sure someone's done something like this before.

edited 5th Dec '12 6:48:35 PM by Psyga315

AcesoldierZero Acesoldier Zero from Vicenza, Italy Since: Aug, 2009 Relationship Status: I wanna know about these strangers like me
#73: Dec 5th 2012 at 6:38:34 PM

I have an idea for a fic I want to write focusing a very brutal internal war between various factions of Team Rocket, and how Giovanni basically manipulates a huge number of people into consolidating Rocket under his control. I was pretty heavily inspired by real-world Mexican drug cartels and various terrorist or insurgent groups for some of the main characters, and one of the ideas I had was most of the bad guys fighting with both firearms and Pokemon. I like the idea, but I could think of a lot of good counterarguments to the idea of bringing guns into the Pokemon universe. Anyone feel like this would not work for any reason? I want to get this dilemma resolved before I really start writing this.

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#74: Dec 20th 2012 at 12:49:38 PM

Just finished the first part of a fic involving a trainer slowly discovering and exploring a budding romantic attraction to his female Ralts (which, predictably evolves all the way to Gardevoir over the story's course). A certain element of the fic's take on the Pokemon setting intrigued me: In-story, human/Pokemon Interspecies Romance is stated by the main character to be an almost universal taboo in all of the world's countries, and at least in Hoenn is treated even worse than zoosexuals are in real-life (read: immediate lynching even if you were a respectable, well-known Gym Leader). How likely is it that that is true to the canon setting?

Fiat iustitia, et pereat mundus.
Psyga315 Since: Jan, 2001
#75: Dec 20th 2012 at 12:50:14 PM

Oh Jesus, was it The Pokemon Story? {ten bucks says it's P5'd}


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