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TheNobody Since: Jan, 2011
#3476: Oct 24th 2014 at 1:05:10 PM

While we aren't too far from the topic of Mensa tests, maybe I should take one too. Just to see how far behind I've fallen since school. Was that an online test, Amita? If so, a link, please?

Rather than smart, I'd prefer to be wise. It would let me be silly more often.
amitakartok Since: Feb, 2010 Relationship Status: Don't hug me; I'm scared
#3477: Oct 24th 2014 at 1:21:24 PM

[up]Yes, it was an online test but I can't give a link because it's part of a contest officially proctored by the national Mensa group of my country, with those who make it to the second round taking a written entry test next month. Foreigners weren't meant to take this test.

You can find quite a lot IQ tests around the net but not all of them are accurate; the one I took is supposed to be special because the questions are not fixed but picked dynamically, depending on your previous answers.


Fanfic idea: the Eva pilots are asked to take an IQ test and Shinji scores marginally higher than Asuka. This couldn't happen in canon for reasons I stated above but for fanfic purposes, let's just roll with it. Asuka wouldn't take it well, that one's a given... but can they bond over their similar scores?

edited 24th Oct '14 1:24:40 PM by amitakartok

TheNobody Since: Jan, 2011
#3478: Oct 24th 2014 at 3:07:09 PM

Come to think of it, what is Mensa? As I understood from the context in which this name appeared before, some sort of "smart people" group?

Fanfic idea: I would imagine Shinji's reaction to go along the lines of "what's the big deal?", which might infuriate Asuka even more. While we're waving IQ sizes around, I once had to switch schools because my IQ was too high. It was a complicated, although somehow amusing situation, but not a topic of this conversation. Anyway, I could already read at the age of four, and had been reading most things that had letters. Including toilet-paper wrappers and textbooks a few years ahead of my age group. Often enough to understand and memorize a good part of what was in there. All this time I was (and, to an extent, am still now) sincerely convinced that anybody could do the same. That's why, if Shinji in your fanfic idea didn't show any academic ambitions nor outstanding grades, and still has an IQ comparable to Asuka's, this might be because he got an "early start" and coasted through school on that. And/or turned most his intellectual capacity to musical instruments. He plays cello in canon, right? And, since he isn't usually surrounded by people who can tell the difference between a cello being played "good" and "exceptionally well", nobody noticed.

Rather than smart, I'd prefer to be wise. It would let me be silly more often.
amitakartok Since: Feb, 2010 Relationship Status: Don't hug me; I'm scared
#3479: Oct 24th 2014 at 3:47:48 PM

Come to think of it, what is Mensa? As I understood from the context in which this name appeared before, some sort of "smart people" group?

Yup, it's a nonprofit NGO for the topmost 2% of the population IQ-wise. Seek out Wikipedia's article on Mensa International to get a better picture.

Anyway, I could already read at the age of four, and had been reading most things that had letters.

Same here, with the added caveat that I learned to read on my own.

Often enough to understand and memorize a good part of what was in there.

Ditto, with being able to quote my textbooks word-for-word. I lost that ability as I aged, though, nor was I any good at memorizing poetry.

if Shinji in your fanfic idea didn't show any academic ambitions nor outstanding grades

I seem to recall that he wasn't very good in school, judging from his unnerved expression when Misato holds up his electronic report card in episode 10.

He plays cello in canon, right?

Yes, but it's implied to be not exactly by choice: he was told to learn the cello at the age of five, by the guy who watched over him after Gendo threw him out and didn't quit because nobody told him to stop.

On the other hand, the one time we see him playing the cello in the anime, he seems to be enjoying himself.

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#3480: Oct 24th 2014 at 5:23:14 PM

[up][up] I've seen enough of straight-woman Hikari in fanfics to last me for several years, thank you.
And I've seen enough of Mari as a Memetic Molester to be sick of it as well. And yet the fandom persists.

looking back at my life, I now know from personal experience that Intelligence Equals Isolation really is Truth in Television.
Well, yeah.

TheNobody Since: Jan, 2011
#3481: Oct 25th 2014 at 1:25:07 AM

So... Am I making a good point? Or is it questionable? Or would it still fly for the purposes of a fanfic?

Rather than smart, I'd prefer to be wise. It would let me be silly more often.
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#3482: Oct 25th 2014 at 6:07:32 AM

Yeah, he should have said 100%; seriously Marq I haven't seen you do anything else.
From my perspective, you seem to have forgotten the few times I presented ideas that fit "anything else". And you should ask Eva Unit 01 about that one story idea I told him about a few weeks ago that prompted him to revise his opinion (which he seems to have forgotten about).

Then again, the infrequency of my idea proposals may be a contributng factor; the more outlandish/bizarre an idea is, the more likely it would stick in memory. And "fetish-centric" is definitely well into the realm of outlandish/bizarre, right?

Gotta say I'm with Unit on this one about Mari; she's a predator, not for the lulz.
Then we agree to disagree, then?

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#3484: Oct 26th 2014 at 7:49:29 AM

No, the Evangelion Peggy Sue thing involving a big dose of temporally-nonlinear For Want Of A Nail.

edited 26th Oct '14 7:49:38 AM by MarqFJA

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#3485: Oct 26th 2014 at 9:00:02 PM

I totally don't remember that. At all. Other than that it probably had Shinji in it.

Also, I was playing Super Robot Wars Judgment again, and it just hit me - it would be ridiculously easy to superimpose the Zeorymer plot over the Evangelion cast and set pieces.

I mean, we have a super-duper hax Super Robot that becomes even more hax when it's finally 100 percent completed, we have a Love Interest who is a clone of the Mad Scientist's crush, we have an initially meek black-haired protagonist who has bouts of crazy...

It would practically be the easiest thing ever to do a Fusion Fic of the two.

Just have Shinji actually be a clone of Gendo, who didn't get Yui... and who usurps Shinji's body from within his DNA to get at Rei, who is a more exact clone of Yui, and there ya go!

edited 26th Oct '14 9:00:37 PM by EvaUnit01

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#3486: Oct 27th 2014 at 2:56:49 AM

... "Yuuji Rikai Akimi".

On another note, what the hell does the acronym "AEL" from Strategic Cyborg Evangelion stand for?

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amitakartok Since: Feb, 2010 Relationship Status: Don't hug me; I'm scared
#3487: Oct 27th 2014 at 5:33:49 AM

Artificial Evolution Laboratory. It was GEHIRN's public front in canon, before the Geofront's construction was finished and NERV was officially formed.

In SCE, the AEL and Gehirn are separate organizations: the AEL is a private biotech research firm while Gehirn is a heavy industry company primarily involved in arms manufacturing. Gehirn also do some research into neural cybernetics, have close ties with SEELE and eventually develop Tridents. Gehirn's primary manufacturing facilities are eventually blown sky-high by SEELE-loyalist saboteurs at the beginning of the First Succession War.

As for the AEL, they use NERV as their front name to hide their involvement in the war against the Angels. Once SEELE turns on them, they have no need for that name anymore and after Third Impact, the AEL reforms into the Sovereign Military Order of Longinus and eventually the Neo-Terran Shogunate.

Fun fact: Gendo founded Gehirn after Yui threw him out of the AEL for proposing to inject a four year old Rei with a hormone mixture that would cause her to start ovulating in order to breed more of her kind For Science! Ten years later, Yui still has a grudge against him for that - especially once she finds out that Shinji developed mild epilepsy from faulty synaptic connections between his brain and his prototype neural augmentations, implanted into him by Gehirn's cybernetic research division after a ten year old Shinji volunteered to be their testbed (because he wanted to be of use for his father).

edited 27th Oct '14 6:34:57 AM by amitakartok

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#3488: Oct 27th 2014 at 7:23:11 AM

... I assume that Yui got a divorce in this story? How the hell did she let Gendo get his hands on her son for that unethical experimentation, anyway? Does he have custody of him, or something?

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amitakartok Since: Feb, 2010 Relationship Status: Don't hug me; I'm scared
#3489: Oct 27th 2014 at 7:34:55 AM

Yup, he has custody of Shinji. Let's just say that Yui overreacted a bit and child services decided Shinji would be better off with Gendo - which still did not prevent Yui from legally adopting Rei.

edited 27th Oct '14 7:37:37 AM by amitakartok

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#3490: Oct 27th 2014 at 7:37:20 AM

Poor Yui. Makes me even more interested in reading the story.

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amitakartok Since: Feb, 2010 Relationship Status: Don't hug me; I'm scared
#3491: Oct 27th 2014 at 7:41:35 AM

Besides, Yui is not mom material. Part of the reason why Rei is like what she's like is because Yui is Married to the Job. Plus Yui's personal My Greatest Failure was the AEL throwing Kaworu out like trash when he was possessed by Tabris and started acting erratically due to now having two souls in one body - which is another reason why Rei is like what she's like, partly because she had to grow up alone and partly because she's afraid Yui will throw her out too.

edited 27th Oct '14 7:43:22 AM by amitakartok

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#3492: Oct 27th 2014 at 7:51:08 AM

... Interesting. Indeed worthy of a read.

On another note, I tracked finally down the PM in which I described that aforementioned Peggy Sue story to Eva. For the record, the story was inspired by gunman's Second Time Around.

I got one story where in an alternate Evaverse, Third Impact goes horribly wrong so as to not only exterminate the human species instead of assimilating them into one Hive Mind, but cause a spacetime dislocation that dumps that world's Shinji Ikari into a parallel Evaverse... right near the Katsuragi Expedition in Antarctica. Needless to say, Shinji befriends Misato and, as the #2 survivor of Second Impact, resolves to try and Set Right What Once Went Wrong... all the while a lot of things in this world have changed, sometimes minorly, sometimes drastically, and not always in a temporally linear way (that is, changes were made in the distant past as a reaction to his insertion into the presentnote ), creating unexpected allies as well new enemies for him to face.

An Ancient Tradition that was born as a rebellion against Seele's ancient predecessors and their agenda. The First Impact contaminating a portion of Lilith's children with portions of Adam's DNA, causing the emergence of superhumans that, in ancient times, were mistaken for deities, demons, and/or demigods, before vanishing for one reason or the other, with their modern-day legacy being the handful of true superhumans that began to resurge after Second Impact (due to as-brief-as-mircoseconds contact with Adam's Anti-AT Field jumpstarting their cellular-level equivalents of the S2 Engine). Seele is no longer the only world conspiracy around, though they're by far the biggest and most influential; they're just now forced to fight a multi-front war (born out of my attempts to justify some of their budgetary stinginess). Various modern-day threats that revolve around samples of the embryonic Adam's cells having been leaked to the black market within the first 2 years of Second Impact, all without the Seele leadership's approval (the culprits within Seele were exposed and executed before long, BTW; too little, too late, though), with one example of the disastrous consequences being the occasional localized Zombie Apocalypse incident somewhere or the other.

Poor Shinji Ikari Yuuji Rikai (What? You thought he'd use his real name?!). And that doesn't even begin to touch what I have in store for him and the others in the post-Angel War arc, which focuses a lot more on the Adam cell-based threats.

Note: "Rikai" here is a mistake; it's the original surname that I had concocted for Yuuji before I changed it to "Akimi".

Eva's response to that was to bluntly inform me that I "need to bring up stuff like this more often in the threads". What do you think? I got more stuff to talk about this story, BTW; I'm just trying to cover the basics.

And for the record, there is a hugely spoilerific plot twist in the story that I had revealed to Eva, though I don't know if he actually read under the spoiler tag, given that he didn't respond to that bit. Want me to PM it to you?

edited 27th Oct '14 7:53:24 AM by MarqFJA

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#3493: Oct 27th 2014 at 8:39:07 AM

Have you forgotten that I have all spoilertags permanently turned off, Marq? I just don't remember that bit you're talking about, although I kinda sorta half-remember the conversation in general now...

And yes, you do need to bring up more stuff like that in the threads.

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#3494: Oct 27th 2014 at 9:50:04 AM

I did forget, actually. And I'm gonna PM you that bit, because it's such a huge, central twist that I do not want to put it out in the open, just in case I actually do get around to publishing the story.

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amitakartok Since: Feb, 2010 Relationship Status: Don't hug me; I'm scared
#3495: Oct 27th 2014 at 11:20:39 AM

... Interesting. Indeed worthy of a read.

Once I finish it, that is. We're not even up to Ramiel yet and I have no idea how to handle that battle, seeing as I don't want to use the Spear of Longinus in every fight.

Last time, I had the AEL borrow a particle cannon from CERN for Reinote  to snipe the Angel with but I want to mix things up with something further away from canon. I'm not even sure whether I should keep the part where Kaworu's encounter with Ramiel-boiled LCL ends up with him having second-degree burns across his entire skin, throat and lungs, resulting in him spending the next few days floating in an LCL tank while his Healing Factor is working.

In any case, Ramiel's souped-up capabilities stay in place: compared to everything it has from Rebuild, Ramiel can also split off shards of itself for use as Attack Drones and its beam attack can strike targets from beyond visual range. What do you say, would the tactic of Unit-01 airdropping onto Ramiel from suborbital flight while Unit-00 is playing decoy be good enough? Or should the roles be swapped up on the grounds that Unit-00 was already acknowledged in-story as unsuitable for prolonged periods of high mobility due to an internal structural flaw?

edited 27th Oct '14 11:31:30 AM by amitakartok

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#3496: Oct 27th 2014 at 11:55:53 AM

@Marq:twist: Ah. I sorta remember now. Doooon't really have much to say about it either way. I did [lol] at the pun, though.

To quote a review someone gave me years ago and has always stuck out in my mind...

"sounds cool but can you make epic?"

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#3497: Oct 29th 2014 at 3:19:46 AM

So... You guys want to hear more about this Peggy Sue story, I take it? grin

BTW, Amita, you don't have anything to say about that compressed explanation of the story?

edited 29th Oct '14 3:21:35 AM by MarqFJA

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#3498: Oct 29th 2014 at 4:30:38 AM

I'm really not a fan of Shinji/Misato, age gap or no age gap. In fact, no age gap makes it feel even more forced.

That stuff about the ancient superhumans, though... you sure you didn't hack into my laptop and read my notes for SCE? Because it had something very similar, only with inherent powers instead of Adam cells: humanity is on the verge of naturally developing Psychic Powers but it's going to take a couple more generations for the relevant gene sequences to fully activate. Some miracles in the past have been caused by early-emerged psykers and Third Impact somehow kickstarts the process into a Bizarre Baby Boom.

I think we can all take a huge plot twist, so go ahead and just put it here.

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#3499: Oct 29th 2014 at 4:59:45 AM

I said "Adam's DNA", not "Adam's cells". It takes the form of not just genetic mutations, but a metaphysical counterpart to such mutations (let's call it "mutated metagenes", shall we? It's how Shadowrun refers to the concept, incidentaly), thus explaining how altered genes can result in things that are scientifically impossible to arise from different protein coding.

And as for the plot twist... Well, I know I might end up regretting this (I'd feel better if this was a more private forum), but I'll humor you.

Yuuji Akimi is not an alternate Shinji Ikari; he's just a clump of hybridized Lilith-type and Adam-type cells that were shaped and animated by a insane fusion of Adam and AU!Gendo Ikari, the sole survivor of the AU's botched Third Impact after he soul-raped that world's Shinji to Deader than Dead in outraged revenge for being the reason his Third Impact agenda failed. Yuuji was implanted with Shinji's memories and personality because the Adam/Gendo hybrid (let's call him Gendam, shall we?) is both bat-shit crazy and spiteful enough that he came up with the convoluted plan to have Yuuji try to save an alternate Evaverse, only for Gendam to crash the party after the seem to have achieved their happy ending and turn everything to hell for them (Yuuji included) while taking that world's Yui and Rei for himself as a consolation prize.

I'm really not a fan of Shinji/Misato, age gap or no age gap. In fact, no age gap makes it feel even more forced.
What do you mean, "forced"? He grows up with Misato and gets to know a Misato that he never could've gotten to see before — the Misato before she got broken by Second Impact (she was, relatively speaking, psychologically healthy despite her dysfunctional family situation) and before getting further broken by her ultimately messed-up relationship with Kaji. And also a Misato that had a relatively positive influence (namely, Yuuji) grounding her through her formative years, acting as a counter-weight to the desire for revenge over the Angels that reached obsessive levels in canon by the time she became an adult.

To be clear, Yuuji doesn't start his new life with a crush on Misato; his initial feelings are largely based on his unconventional-mother-figure perception of his world's Misato. He gradually falls in love with her as he gets to really know her and eventually starts viewing her as a woman in her own right.

edited 29th Oct '14 5:03:58 AM by MarqFJA

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#3500: Oct 29th 2014 at 6:39:59 AM

I see your point but Shinji/Misato still feels way too uncomfortable for me. And that plot twist sounds like something thought up by Adam Kadmon. No offense.

By the way, if my frequent rants are getting annoying, just say so and I'll stop.

edited 29th Oct '14 6:42:41 AM by amitakartok


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