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This is a "Wild Mass Guess" entry, where we pull out all the sanity stops on theorizing. The regular entry on this topic is elsewhere. Please see this programme note.
Kid Icarus: Uprising
This was originally going to be a 3D Kirby game
One of the prototypes for Kirby's Return to Dream Land attempted such a thing, but didn't come through in the end. But since Sakurai made Kirby, he wanted to try to use this prototype to work with it, but later ended up going with Kid Icarus instead.

The Aurum Have No "True" Form
They can not exist without some other life forms to base their appearances after. All of the "original" Aurum troops you see are just copies of local residents from planets they've invaded prior to Earth.
  • But then what was their original form before they invaded anything? They had to start somewhere.

Dark Pit was formed from a Dark Mirror
In the trailer, he is shown in a purple room consisted up of glass, presumably, mirrors. Perhaps the mirror was an evil magical device set up by Medusa in order to create an evil clone of Pit, like in another well-known Nintendo franchise. Somewhere along the way, Dark Pit decided to have his own purposes and turned neutral.
  • Confirmed. Dark Pit is born of the Mirror possessed by Pandora for creating new troops. The mirror was shattered before Dark Pit became allied to the Underworld Army, hence his working to his own agenda.

By defeating Medusa in the first game, Pit released her again.
While there's not much to go by, Pit defeating Medusa in the first time may not have killed her, she was trapped in a Gorgon Statue for most of the game, so in defeating her, Pit didn't stop her, he released her and she ended up being at full power many years later.
  • Jossed: The recent trailer has Palutena saying that Medusa's followers resurrected her, so it's likely she was actually killed. Though freeing her from the statue might still have facilitated that.
    • "Killing" a Demon/Goddess is usually less effective than Sealing them.
      • Completely jossed: Hades actually made a copy of her with the original's memories, and can revive her in this fashion as much as he wants.

Meta Knight will be an alternate playable character in Kid Icarus: Uprising
It would be Crazy Awesome. And there are several reasons this might happen. Sakurai, the creator of Kirby, Meta Knight's series, and Super Smash Bros., where Meta Knight is featured prominently in the story mode of Brawl. Meta Knight would be able to take part in the flying missions because his cape turns into a pair of wings. As for weapons, he already has a sword that could shoot out beams, which was one of Pit's new weapons. Meta Knight could probably master any of the other weapons that Pit can use.
  • Jossed. Besides Pit himself, only Dark Pit, a random dog, a random little girl, Skyworld fighters (if you count the multiplayer) and Magnus are playable.

Alternatively...

Samus will be a secret character
Samus already has a range-heavy fighting style, and the dash maneuver in Uprising looks strikingly similar to the sense-move from Other M. Flight could be handled by space jumping repeatedly. The game already has komaytos and star pirates, so a Samus appearance would fit right in.
  • Jossed. But one could say Dark Lord Gaol is a reference to Samus, in a way.

Medusa will turn back into a giant cyclops.
We are now used to seeing Ganondorf as a human for most of the game before facing a variation of his iconic giant-pig-monster self during the final battle. The same thing will happen with Medusa in Uprising and subsequent games. It will only be a matter of time before the Ganondusa shipping community is born and every combination of forms gets tested.
  • Confirmed. Medusa's head morphs into a one-eyed head and shoots dark beams at you before reforming back onto her body.

  • Jossed, sort of. Dark Lord Gaol is the important someone stuffed in the fridge (or rather, into the armor).

Magnus is based off of Hercules, or Hercules or someone based off of him will appear in Uprising or a subsequent game
He's one of the most famous figures of Classical Mythology, so it would not be surprising for him to make a appearance in some way, maybe with a different name.
  • Heracles is more known for a club than a sword. Then again, Medusa wasn't a goddess...
    • This is what I thought too. Hercules is pretty much synonymous with strength, and personality-wise both Hercules and Magnus are manly men.
      • Although Magnus' sword is treated like a Club when Pit is wielding it...

Magnus will eventually side with Medusa
The game mentions that he's in it for the money, and Medusa certainly has resources to spare. The question is, will Pit have to fight him, or will Palutena make a counter offer?
  • Jossed. Though there are two boss fights where Magnus battles Pit, neither are due to a Face-Heel Turn.

There are more enemy forces other than the Underworld Army.
There is already the Star Pirates and Dark Pit, so there could be more forces that are unaffiliated with Underworld Army.
  • Confirmed; the Forces of Nature, led by Viridi, and the Aurum, eventually led by Pyrrhon.
    • Not to mention the space pirates in Chapter 8.

There is a Bigger Bad greater than Medusa.
Whomever it is, might have used her and her forces as a distraction in order to hide their own objectives.
  • Confirmed. It's Hades.

Palutena created Eggplant Wizard and Tempura Wizard. She hasn't told Pit this.
The monsters Palutena creates when she cooks in Palutena's Revolting Dinner bear a close resemblance to everyone's most frightening food-based mages.

Hades is Reaver.
Given the similarities in voice and personality, perhaps Reaver made enough deals with the powers of darkness that he became a full-blown evil god?

Dark Pit is the Original Pit.
Okay, in the ending of Myth and Monsters, Original!Pit flew too close to the sun and fell. In Uprising, New!Pit (in Uprising and Brawl) seems perfectly fine, wings and personality intact. Original Pit had been burned by the sun, causing him to plunge to the ground and die. Somehow, on the ground, a copy before he was burned was made of him, including all his memories of his battle with Medusa, of the first Kid Icarus, etc. Palutena comes looking for him and instead finds New!Pit. Both are mistaken that our Pit is the true and only Pit, and he's taken back to Skyworld. Meanwhile, Original Pit spends several days in pain, dying, which severely twists his personality. Eventually, he dies and is forgotten. However, in Uprising, there is a mirror called the Mirror of Truth. When New!Pit went in front of it, it reflected the true person that he was a copy of, not only, in a sense, reviving Original!Pit/Dark Pit, who, after his burning wings ordeal, has a much darker personality. Dark Pit thinks that New!Pit has stolen his identity and definitely isn't happy about it — so he seeks his revenge. Or something.

Uprising (and by extension, the original game) is part of the Disgaea multiverse.
The No Fourth Wall-ness is kinda reminiscent of the Disgaea games, doncha think?

Palutena is a Time Lady, Pit is her companion, and her staff is her TARDIS.
Moreover, Medusa is a renegade Time Lady, plus Hades is The Master.
  • Jossed, but there IS a hint of time-reversing that plays a role in the game.

Gaol and the girl inside the armor are two separate people
. According to her idol, she volunteered to spy on the Underworld Army, but was captured and forced to wear the cursed armor of a dark lord, making her into nothing more then a slave to the very evil she had fought against. The Dark Lord that owned the armor was Gaol, and he possessed the girl. When you defeated him, his control over her was broken. When you fight her again later on, her voice is now clearly feminine.
  • Wanna say Jossed. If that were the case, then how could she still use the armor and its powers?
    • Dyntos likely made the armor she used in the fight. Considering his attention to detail, it would be no surprise that he made a faithful recreation of Gaol's armor with all its powers but without the actual curse.

Dyntos is Zeus from the original Kid Icarus
. I mean, how else can one explain the giant boss rush, including Magnus and Gaol appearing, then "Palutena" soon after?
  • I want to say jossed because Dyntos is based on the Greek God Hephaestus, who is known for being the ultimate blacksmith.

The Space Core's father is Aurum Pyrrhon
. They both reunited happily together in the endless reaches of spaaaaaaaaaaace.

Palutena put Pit in the ring to protect him.
She realized the Chaos Kin was there and that it was about to win. It was after her, but once it won, it would probably kill Pit because he would be a threat to it; he would never follow what it/Possessed!Palutena had planned. (And he wouldn't come back to life, since in-game he says he only gets revived because Palutena's watching out for him.) So before the Chaos Kin possessed her, she had a chance to do one last thing: she put Pit's consciousness in a ring and flung it to Earth. This way, Pit's body would still be kept alive. Even though it might be forced to harm humans, there was still the chance that he could regain control of it and defeat the Chaos Kin. She chose a ring because it would be the most likely object to be picked up and worn and kept safe, thereby making it easier for Pit to go in search of his body. He heard her say something about the Chaos Kin before she did this, which is why he has the name in his head when he "awakens" as a ring.
  • Jossed. In the game, one of the collectible trophies is "Pit's Body", and it says that the Chaos Kin took advantage of Pit's weakened state after his battle with the Aurum to seal his soul in a ring.

Viridi has some hidden feelings for Pit.
This might actually explain why Viridi keeps helping Pit during the times where he needs it such as when she deployed her troops to help him during the Aurum invasion and ESPECIALLY when she becomes the Mission Control during Palutena's Brainwashed and Crazy state.
  • Furthermore, even Palutena seems to tease her about Pit one time.
    • I'd say Viridi's blatant denial proves it. Hell, Pit even tells her that he doesn't think she's all that bad either, before she tells him to keep his voice down. And this happens in Chapter 16, before she saves his life in the next chapter, and takes him in while Palutena is possessed.

The events of The Subspace Emissary are canon.
  • It would explain how Pit and Palutena seem to know so much about other Nintendo games. For example, aside from breaking the fourth wall, it doesn't make much sense for Pit to know about Metroids. Therefore, Samus probably told Pit about them at some point. Plus, some of the enemies in KI:U look a bit similar to the mooks encountered in SSE.
    • It would make since given that Pit knows about Super Smash Bros. and how in the JP trailer, Pit and Palutena are shown choosing a character to play. Notice how Pit picked Mario and Palutena chose Kirby? It's obvious who Pit was cheering for during Subspace Emissary. Also, out of all the locations, Pit seems to be the only character that is away from Subspace Emissary given that the Subspace minions only start appearing when Pit is down on earth with the other Smashers and never go beyond a certain point as shown with the Great Maze.
    • Wait... No one in KI:U turns into a trophy upon death...
    • What about idol trasformations. They pretty much ARE trophies
      • Maybe Palutena lost contact with Pit after he exited Skyworld, which would explain why Pit acts on his own without thinking and when all the Smashers are turned into trophies by Tabuu. If Palutena was there, Pit probably wouldn't have been in that situation, since Pit established that if something were to happen to him, Palutena would be watching him no matter what, and the only way for the situation to happen is if Tabuu was powerful enough to block Palutena from reaching Pit, similar to how Palutena could not reach Pit when he was inside Hades' stomach.
      • That or maybe Smash Bros. is a spinoff series and has no continuity when it comes to plot.
      • Or, since Pit and Palutena are both aware that they're in a game in Uprising and are shown to know about the other games, the events of the Subspace Emissary are only partially canon. When Pit leaves Skyworld, he's entering the SSE universe and joining the brawl, meaning that he's now limited by Brawl's gameplay.
      • Pit does say that he used a bow in his last brawl. He wasn't hurt; it was a smash!
      • Pit and Palutena mention that they play Super Smash Bros. so that would make the SSE as much a game to them as it is to us.

The little girl that Pit possessed is the ghost of the child that Magnus lost to the Underworld.
It's a farfetched theory but here goes. When Pit gets turned into the ring, the first thing we notice is the ring is in the middle of nowhere. The little girl seems out of place in this area given that the town that is attacked by Angel Land is too far for a little girl to run to. When Pit controls the dog, the girl mysteriously disappears. It's not like the dog who is shown to go back to search for food after the ring was dropped. Her idol says she's a girl from the town, but that doesn't make sense given that she's never mentioned again or didn't speak at all by that matter. To make matters worse, the town is in ruins. There is nowhere to run and someone like her wouldn't last long anyway. This makes this troper think that the girl appeared to give Pit a taste of what he can do with the ring, lead him to someone that was faster on feet and then look for someone he can recognize. That's only the first portion. The second portion is she is the child that Magnus during the battle of the Underworld. You don't know much about Magnus, but Palutena only brings this up once. Magnus won't tell Pit anything and given he only shows up in three chapters, the player doesn't know much. However, it wouldn't be hard to assume that the reason for Magnus being a mercenary is related to the loss of said child that he knew. Given that the girl and Magnus are in the same chapter, it wouldn't hurt to assume that the game was trying to pass a hint toward it, and if the little girl is indeed a ghost that Pit can control, then she would know that Pit knew Magnus and that Pit would need all the help he could get.

Medusa was partially right about Palutena.
  • Concerning her "The Reason You Suck" Speech in chapter 9, Medusa has brought up some good points about Palutena that makes it seem like she's not as innocent as Pit makes her out to be. In the original game, all we get about the relationship between the two is that they ruled together, but Medusa hated humans and made their lives miserable. Palutena retaliates by turning her into an ugly gorgon and said that it reflected what was in her heart before banishing her to the Underworld. However, when you look at this game and find out that almost all the Gods and Goddesses seem to hate humanity, what Palutena did seems like a Disproportionate Retribution given that Palutena only gets Medusa for her actions in the past, but with Pit serving her, she can deal damage to every God and Goddess that try to harm humanity, as shown when she goes after Viridi for using one reset bomb on the humans. Given Viridi had gone too far, the original mission was to take out the Underworld army, not get sidetracked and destroy every base Viridi had and get rid of all of her allies. In other words, Palutena might as well be a Knight Templar for humanity while Viridi is a Knight Templar against humanity.
  • That's only about her view of the humans, but when Palutena is possessed by Chaos Kin, everyone except Pit doesn't act surprised when Palutena attacks the humans. Why is that? It's simple. Given that she and Medusa did rule together at one point, it was brought up that while Medusa made lives miserable, Palutena didn't do much to begin with, as Magnus states in chapter 2 about how she's slacking off with her duties and that his world is on the verge of collapse because of her (and Medusa). Palutena's response? She calls him a jerk, and Pit actually seems shocked by that. Hypocritical much? Not trying to make Palutena a victim of Ron the Death Eater, but given that the game has thrown multiple instances of her doing questionable acts and called out by everyone except Pit, it's not hard to see that Medusa might be right about the two being Not So Different.
    • A jossed theory concerning chapter 24 was that Pseudo Palutena was the darkness in her heart that Dyntos forced out to challenge Pit to see how he would react when he saw the ugly monster she was similar to Medusa's hideous appearance, and that the silence in the final portion of the battle hinted that that was her he battled. Even if the theory is jossed from the idol information, it doesn't change the fact that if you didn't have the idol, you might have thought that Pseudo Palutena was the real one, given the game keeps hinting that Palutena isn't a saint like Pit makes her out to be.
  • Finally, given that Palutena is based on the Greek Goddess Athena, it's not hard to see Medusa as a victim too given that there are some stories in Greek Mythology that claimed that Athena was jealous of Medusa's beautiful appearance and turned her into a Gorgon before ordering Perseus to slay her. When you sum it up, though, Pit's black and white view of the world falls naught and Medusa probably suffered as much as Palutena did when she banished her that can't be hidden even with Pit's Shut Up, Hannibal! speech to her.

Following the above theory, Medusa is actually more sympathetic then she lets on...
Not trying to turn Medusa into a Draco in Leather Pants, but this troper would like to think that she's a Broken Bird type of character with these reasons.
  • The short anime Medusa's Revenge was supposed to explain why she pulled a Face-Heel Turn, but what we get is a glimpse of the past before Palutena turned Medusa into a monster. Notice how Medusa told Palutena to stay out of her affair? This troper would like to think that they were in conflict and Medusa's way of relieving stress was to take it out on the humans. As a result, it looked like she was just playing on a game board and being the game master, killing humans and destroying buildings. If there were two parts to this anime portion like Thanatos Rising then we might have found out that was a bigger reason to why Medusa was banished instead of harming humanity, because given the above theory, it's overkill to be banished for killing humans when all the other Gods/Goddesses do the exact same thing. Also, given that they're supposed to rule together and Palutena was supposed to take care of the humans to make sure they would not suffer, what was Medusa supposed to do if she was already Goddess of Darkness?
  • When Medusa defeated Palutena in the original game, she didn't kill Palutena. Why is that if Palutena was the one that made her life miserable? Given the anime said she was imprisoned in her own home, chances are that Medusa would probably want to make humans miserable and stop Pit from getting to her while trying to talk to Palutena about something. The conversation she had in chapter 9 seemed to be suppressed feelings during that time period that she let out during the final battle and before Pit interrupted her, she acts like Palutena betrayed her.
  • In the final battle, Medusa is hinted to be a Death Seeker. Now think about it. Medusa in the anime short calls Pit "Palutena's precious pet" and acts jealous when she says that. Medusa might not have had someone as loyal or caring as a friend/sibling/child like Pit, and she was killed twice so Pit could protect Palutena. The fact that Dark Pit was probably created to be a copy of Pit to serve the Underworld but chose to remain neutral hints that she might have wanted someone that would serve her and would never betray her like Palutena. Then everyone finds out that Hades has the power to bring her back multiple times. Medusa confessed that she didn't understand why she came back, but used the memories of Palutena's betrayal and Pit killing her as a motive for coming back to life, and when she dies again, it's implied that she wanted to stay dead. If she wanted to stay dead though since the first time she died, then something bad must have happened to make her so think that. Her suicidal attack on Hades also proves that she seeks death given that she knew that she was no match for Hades, but attacked him anyway. It may have ended up a Villainous Rescue, but she was talking to Palutena when asked why she was helping Pit out.
  • When it comes down to it, something was not resolved between Palutena and Medusa and they both know this, which would explain why Palutena won't say anything during Medusa's "The Reason You Suck" Speech and allows Medusa to hate her, given that Palutena probably knows she too is in the wrong in her actions.

Pit is Palutena's Morality Pet / Morality Chain.
If it weren't for him, she'd be (and may have been once) just another one of the Jerkass Gods. Love of any form could be a reason here; but it's likely for a far more simple reason. The gods are lonely. They can't trust each other; and mortals are just too short-lived to invest in emotionally. Pit is someone Palutena can talk to who won't die in less than a century; and none of the other gods have anything like that. And that's far more precious than anything.
  • So what about Arlon and Phosphora, then? Or, if we're really going out on a limb, Pandora or T(h)anatos?
    • Supported by the dialogue in chapter 15. Palutena and Pit have a heartwarming conversation, only to be spited by Viridi and Hades. Palutena gets angry with them and says that they wouldn't understand what it's like to have someone like Pit. And it's true. The Gods are shown to not have someone by their side like Palutena and as a result, they act out on impulse. Additionally when Palutena turns her back on humanity because of the Chaos Kin, Viridi and Hades act like this is her true personality with only Pit being in denial, so she might have been a bitch before meeting Pit, hence her feud with Medusa is not as black and white as it's made out to be. Concerning the other Gods/Goddesses, though, this troper is certain that Phosphora is fine, as she probably serves as the Morality Pet/Morality Chain to Viridi, to the point that she spent three years trying to revive her, and Phosphora doesn't show any signs of insecurities like the other Gods/Goddesses are implied to have. And Viridi is probably reviving Arlon after Phosphora and given that Arlon is her butler, he doesn't need emotions like loneliness, as his duty is to serve and obey Viridi no matter what. Finally, Pandora might be lonely, given her whole labyrinth is similar to a toy room in a sense; she made a race track in it, and it has many puzzles that are dedicated to her. And Thanatos is the God of Death, and both the God of Death and God of the Dead are described as lonely in Greek mythology.

Despite Palutena's claim, Dark Pit's soul is either equally pure as Pit or even more pure.
This idea stems from the fact concerning Pit and his dark side. So if Pit is the definition of Incorruptible Pure Pureness in the KIU universe, then that means that Pittoo also has the same pure traits but more subdued. For one thing, Dark Pit is neutral at best instead of being pure evil like the other Nintendo hero counterparts (which shows that despite being heroes, their dark side shows that there is indeed evil in their hearts, in contrast to Pit, who knows no evil and can only manifest someone that is neutral at best. The main point though of this WMG is that according to the Chaos Kin ash idol, it says that only by eating Dark Pit's soul can it be brought back to life at full health. Now, according to Viridi, the Chaos Kin would only prey on the souls of pure-hearted people, hence why it tried to eat Palutena's soul for three years but to no avail until Pit forced it out of her. Now, it could have went after Palutena again or Pit given that they had their guard down, but it went after Dark Pit, who turned to leave. Why? Because apparently, Dark Pit's soul was pure enough to revive the Chaos Kin despite being a manifestation of the darkness in Pit's heart. This might mean that Dark Is Not Evil in the purest of forms.
  • Hades himself has stated how 'delicious' Pittoo's soul is in Chapter 22.
    Hades: I'd love to get my hands on Pittooey's soul. So dark, so chewy, so malleable! A powerful soul like that shouldn't be wasted on Ol' Chomper's lunch.

Pit isn't actually an angel—he's part chicken.
According to the folks over at GameFAQs, Pit is indeed part-chicken. Think of all the chicken references in the game that compare Pit with a chicken. And can chickens fly? Just barely.
  • Does that mean that Dark Pit is also a chicken?
    • Well, there ARE such things as black-colored chickens...

The Chariot Master is actually a Space Pirate.
The Chariot Master appears to be made of a plasma-like substance, just like the Space Pirates, whose idol states they are actually energy beings. He also flies through outer space, and he mentions his master dying, which is a definite connection. My guess is that, either during the initial raid on the Space Pirates' ship or when Palutena went crazy over the three intervening years, most of the Space Pirates (save at least one) ended up being killed.
  • This is highly unlikely due to a number of things. The most obvious is his armor, which doesn't fit the theme of the Space Pirates encountered in Uprising. The energy his body is made of has the appearance of flames rather than the electricity that the Space Pirates were made of. Also, during battle, he states that his body had broken down, meaning that his current form was not how he had always appeared. Earlier on during the climb of the tower, an Aether Ring is encountered. When asked why he had a vehicle of the gods, he claims it should be obvious, which shows that he has a connection to a god (likely his fallen master). In addition to all this, he shares a bit of his history as an honorable warrior during battle, which doesn't match up with what the Space Pirates do. Although not proof, he showed he had great respect for his master, something that none of the Space Pirates had for their leader (the Captain's idol states he was hated by all his crew). On the note of the Captain, his idol also stated his name was unpronounceable in the human tongue, implying that the Space Pirates had their own language. This is further driven home with the unintelligible babble he shouts before the Space Kraken appears. The Chariot Master, on the other hand, speaks Basic very fluently. The final point that should be made is that all idols show their affiliation symbol in the background. The Space Pirates have their own symbol while the Chariot Master has the neutral character symbol.

Hades wasn't always evil.
Another farfetched theory that is similar to the Medusa theory above combined with the knowledge of Greek Mythology. Even though Hades is evil, it's very easy to forget given that he's Laughably Evil. However, there are some hints that he wasn't always insane.
  • What Pit tells Hades in chapter 23 on why he opposes him isn't because he's the ruler of the Underworld, but because he is abusing his powers to do evil. If Hades was ruling the underworld all of this time and it wasn't a problem until now, then that might imply that he was doing his job before he got greedy and decided to Kill All Humans so he could play with their souls and eat them.
  • Hades' heart concerns this troper. She thinks that the heart implies that Hades wasn't always evil in the sense that it looks too cute as described by Pit. Despite being a deadly boss, the fact that it gives a cute appearance despite the menacing God that it is part of makes this troper think that this organ shows what type of person Hades was as a lot of other series say. The shape of your heart depends on what type of individual you are.
  • Hades doesn't seem to mind the idea of teaming up with the other Goddesses to defend the earth from the Aurum. Sure, he said he's only working with them because the earth was his and he would be the one to plunge the world in chaos, and despite trolling Pit the entire time, he does help out during those chapters despite being...very greedy about it. In comparison to the Aurum, who are supposed to be more evil than any of the Gods and Goddesses combined, Hades doesn't seem that bad...then there's the fact that Hades isn't that bad in comparison to the Chaos Kin. All the Gods and Goddesses minus Palutena seem to hate humanity, and it wouldn't be out of character for any of the Gods or Goddesses to start a pointless war against the humans given that this happened often in Greek Mythology, where these divine beings are known for using humans in their squabbles against each other (such as the Trojan war).

The reason for Pyrrhon's betrayal
... This is another theory that might give some insight on Pyrrhon's character in the game based on some of the dialogue. This troper thinks that the reason that Pyrrhon turned on the others is because he wants respect from the Gods and Goddesses.
  • Pay attention to how Palutena, Viridi, and Hades treat Pyrrhon. Viridi treats him with great disdain and calls him useless, Hades — while subtle at best — acts like he doesn't exist most of the time, and even Palutena calls him out on his stupidity and tends to forget him the most of the three. Now despite being the "sun god", he seems to be looked down upon and seems to be weaker than the other Gods/Goddesses. As a result, they don't treat him with any respect. Pit seems to want to know more about him, but Palutena dismisses him upon introduction.
  • He might not be the sun god at all. The trio of Gods/Goddesses don't listen to him when they say he's the sun god, even though he's shown to use fire magic and use the power of the sun. Now look at Greek Mythology and look at the Sun God Helios. He isn't considered a member of the main twelve Olympus Deities given he's a Titan. However, Helios and Apollo are often confused on who is the sun god. But looking at Helios and his history, it wouldn't hurt to assume that Pyrrhon is one of his many children that inherited his powers, but not his title, hence why the other Gods/Goddesses look down on him.
    • This is supported by Pyrrhon's Idol, which refers to him as "the self-proclaimed 'Sun God'" and his "boasts of divine lineage [as] hard to swallow." With that in mind, it seems probable he's not divine at all, but some variety of sorcerer or alien being.
  • His attitude toward Pit. He's the only God that treats Pit like an equal instead of making fun of him like every other character has done in the entire game. Why is that? Well, when you look at Pit's relationship to the other Deities, he may be the Chew Toy, but they acknowledge Pit for his strength and reliability (even Hades acknowledges Pit's strength at the end of the game) despite being an angel that can't fly. Pyrrhon, however, can't even get the other Gods/Goddesses to show any respect toward him despite being one of them.
  • With this information, Pyrrhon merging with the Aurum Brain and trying to gain control of them might be a case of trying to finally be acknowledged by them, as some of his quotes in-game imply. Also, by becoming more powerful than the three Deities, that would make him stronger than Pit, who the three at least acknowledge him for all of his worth.
    Pit: What kind of rat tricks an angel, Pyrrhon?!
    Pyrrhon: WHAT? I can't hear you over all this AWESOME!

Poseidon will turn out to be a Chekhov's Gunman in the sequel
  • They introduce a major figure in Greek Mythology, give him unique artwork and voiced dialogue, and yet only have him appear in one chapter, never to be mentioned again afterwards? That seems a little suspicious if you ask me. If there's a sequel, I'm willing to bet he'll be given a much larger role, maybe even being a major villain. After all, his views on humans are very similar to Viridi's, and it's shown that she hasn't gone back on her views in the ending. Maybe they'll team up to Kill All Humans?
    • Poseidon doesn't seem to hate humans, or at least doesn't hate them as much as Viridi does. He simply acknowledges their flaws, and is willing to help Pit and Palutena save them from the Underworld Army. And while implied, it's never flat out stated that Poseidon killed the humans that lived in the town, only that he sunk it. The humans could have escaped to safety.

The Big Bad of the next game will be either Zeus or Poseidon
  • Related to the above. Both were Jerkass Gods in the original myths, and since it's already been established most gods in this universe are Jerkasses anyway, it kinda fits. Zeus' mysterious absence in Uprising will be a plot point.

The Exo-Tank, Aether Ring, and hearts were not Aurum copies.

Everything else the Aurum copied had an Aurum-like appearance. Even if Hades didn't flat-out state that the Mimicuties were his, this would a dead giveaway. Now, on to the hearts, Exo-Tank, and Aether Ring. Palutena says she didn't put them there, and Hades definitely didn't do it. Viridi, on the other hand, never says that she didn't put them there. She only says that they're probably Aurum copies, and that she "can't say for sure". Taking into account that conversation about Viridi's "soft spot" for Pit in Chapter 16, and how helpful she was to him throughout the Aurum invasion, it wouldn't be a stretch to assume that she put the vehicles and hearts there for him.

Humans are unable to shoot beams and/or lasers from their weapons.

When Pit takes control of Magnus, he is unable to have ranged attacks in that state, yet can shoot from afar when using Magnus's club as himself. Perhaps mythical beings and monsters just have the ability to garner energy to shoot, while humans typically lack the skill.

Pit has a crush on Palutena

Aside from his Undying Loyalty, there's also his Sanity Slippage where when he imitates Palutena he says "you're too handsome to lose." Seems like he has a crush on her to me.

Pit is actually Frank West

Think about, both of them can use almost anything as an effective weapon, they both consume regular foodstuffs to regain health, they both fight massive undead armies, and they both love snarking.

The Chaos Kin's ash form is its true form
The Chaos Kin's bug-like appearance was actually its previous host. Had it succeeded in possessing Dark Pit, it would've looked like him instead of reverting to its previous form.

Palutena wears black panties
I know, I know, this is silly. But if you look from the right angle at her idol, when she performs her animation, her dress sways and you can clearly see black in there between the legs. Black panties.

There will be two sequels, and Pit will become King of the Gods
No, really. Bear with me here. So, we know from Dark Pit that there's a way to absorb the powers of fallen gods. We know Virdi hates humans as much as she ever did, the Aurum are only going away for as long as Pyrrhon can keep pushing them, and the Realm of Chaos still exists and we don't know anything about what, if anything, its remaining inhabitants are capable of (assuming the Chaos Kin wasn't alone in there). And there were hints that Palutena has a dark side and/or wasn't always the kind, if trollish, goddess she is in the game. Here's my theory: Sequel 1 has Pit defeat Viridi for good, but only after learning the power stealing trick from Dark Pit. He uses it to guarantee that even if she resurrects, she won't have the power to threaten humans again (or alternately that she will live, but as a mortal/angel/lesser goddess until she learns to respect human life). The Aurum and/or creatures from the Realm of Chaos serve as secondary antagonists to keep things interesting, but the Underworld Army is still recovering, so the game focuses on the Forces of Nature and other villains. In Sequel 2, Palutena turns on mankind and/or becomes The Dragon to Zeus or some other anti-human "true ruler of Skyworld". Pit, while torn between his old duty of defending humans and his loyalty to Palutena, ultimately decides to fight her and her master (if there is one) and claim their powers as well. However, this time he definitely manages to keep Palutena alive as a mortal or angel (regardless of whether he did that to Viridi), neutralizing her threat but allowing her to reform because he believes that she can (and because, let's face it, killing Palutena after working with her for two games is way too much of a Downer Ending for this series). Along the way, Pit also has to deal with a resurrected Hades, whose power he also takes so that there won't be a third fight. If the Aurum aren't permanently dealt with in the previous game, he has to take out their leader. The Realm of Chaos may also need to be sealed or destroyed; again, this depends on what the first sequel did with it. Poseidon, Pyrrhon, and any other unaffiliated gods could serve as level bosses, allies, or both, but if they have to be killed Pit will take their powers as well. After all that, Pit ends up as the most powerful being in all creation, using his gathered powers and those of any surviving gods to keep the world in balance and guide humanity to a Golden Age.
  • Why does this feel like a plot from God of War? Isn't this the concept of the original Kid Icarus sequel when it was worked on by Factor 5 and had a huge backlash? I mean, Pit would end up Knight Templar to Kratos' borderline monster and the only reason Pit attacked Palutena was because of the Chaos Kin, so the chances of him turning on her is highly unlikely. Finally, Viridi pulled a Heel-Face Turn at the end of Uprising and Pit said she was a nice person on the inside, so there would be no reason for Pit to kill her or any of the Gods off. And of course, Viridi only attacked humanity because they got into a pointless war and started destroying nature in the progress. As long as another pointless war doesn't break out, she probably won't attack them again. And of course, she doesn't have any more Reset Bombs, so it would be difficult to wipe out humanity.
    • Viridi clearly still isn't happy with the humans at the end of the game, so her Heel-Face Turn is only going to last until they do something stupid again (which, let's face it, they will) and/or she rebuilds a Reset Bomb Depot. Her last line implies that the "happy ending" is only going to last as long as she lets it. The God of War parallels are definitely there, but it's not like they have to be strong — Kratos wants revenge and always kills, while Pit would be protecting humans from the selfishness of gods and would avoid killing if possible, so he wouldn't even have to be a Knight Templar. Really, this theory came from the thought that someone had to rule the Underworld (because it does have a purpose) combined with Viridi's continued hatred of humans.
    • Her Heel Face Turn is more evident in the Japanese version, as she leaves happily, with a smile. Even if she did start attacking humans again, Pit would just stop her again, and I doubt that either of them would want to go back to being enemies.

Zeus is dead, the Chariot Master was his servant, and Phosphora is his replacement
. The Chariot Master mentions being the last surviving servant of some dead master. His Lightning Chariot is clearly of divine origin, and his tower contains other vehicles of the gods despite being in a place none of the gods we've seen knew about before Pit chased him to it. Zeus is traditionally depicted as a thunder god, and he's probably powerful enough to hide a place like the Chariot Master's tower from other gods. As for the "Phosphora" part of the theory, consider this: Phosphora is a lightning goddess, but she acts a lot younger that the other gods, wasn't the owner of Thunder Cloud Temple even though it's definitely the old home of someone like her, and has no apparent connection to the Lightning Chariot but can take care of it while Pit isn't using it. She's also the only god or goddess to share a power with a "real" deity without having any apparent similarities to them (even Viridi calls her Forces of Nature "children" and seems more like an overprotective mother of the Earth than a naturally destructive force, despite looking nothing like the traditionally matronly Gaia.) It would explain a lot if she was a replacement for Zeus, filling the "Lightning God" spot in the pantheon with him somehow permanently destroyed.

Zeus' death is why things get out of control in Uprising.
Going off the above theory: Zeus is supposed to the king of the gods, which would leave things like maintaining the celestial balance to him. However, he's nowhere to been seen while the humans war with the Underworld and each other, Medusa deploys her army against Earth and even Skyworld, Viridi massacres humans, the Aurum attempt to "harvest" the Earth, Palutena falls under the control of the Chaos Kin and also starts massacring humans, and Hades eats a lot of souls and twists others into monsters and fake gods. Since he should also be the strongest living god (and thus almost impossible to imprison, especially given that none of the game's factions are allied except for temporary truces during battles with otherworldly foes and they're all apparently using their full power against each other), it's looking pretty likely that he's gone.

The Aurum are alien computer programs.
Consider the following: they appear to be inorganic, the symbol of any Aurum idol appears to be pixels, the Aurum troops themselves have flashing squares on them. Also when Pyrrhon tries to take control them but fails, he speaks in a robotic monotone and uses binary.

Pit is schizophrenic.
Pit has a habit of praising and talking to himself. Even though in chapter 23, Pit going insane and talking to himself was played for laughs, one has to wonder if all the events that occurred in the game made him develop this disorder or if was there in the first place.

Pit went to the Chariot Master's Tower at the end of the game.

As we all know, Pit flew into space during the end credits. Where did he go? According to the Lightning Chariot Base's idol, it's a realm that exists in the silence of the sky's end.

The Chariot Master's dying words were "I'm trusting you with Phos and Lux. And the future of this realm." The Chariot Master entrusted Pit with not only Phos and Lux, but also that realm. Now that the war is over, Pit will honor the Chariot Master's request and take care of the tower for him.

Pyrrhon isn't a god, and he never used to be evil.

Pyrrhon, like Pit working for Palutena, used to work for the original sun god, who was his master. But somehow, his master died. Pyrrhon's loyalty, along with the trauma on perhaps witnessing this, made him lose his sanity. He tried to do his master's work by replacing him and referring to himself as the sun god, as his idol says he's self-proclaimed and Viridi says 'that's what he calls himself anyway.'

The other gods couldn't see Pyrrhon as a competent god and treated him with disdain and disrespect. This, coupled with his insanity, made him resent the other gods. So he wanted to find a way to have revenge on all of them, and make them respect him. Even if it meant losing himself completely.

He got his wish when he merged himself with the Aurum Brain, but he lost his mind, talking in binary. He was unaware of what was actually going on at the time, but his mind was put in lockdown while his body was being controlled. When Pit defeated him, the physical strain of merging with the Aurum and being severely injured in the battle with Pit was fatal. Pyrrhon, also regaining his sanity in the process, realized he was dying and decided to put things right before his demise. This is why he pushes the Aurum to the other end of the galaxy with the hopes that he'll get to be reunited with his master when he dies.

Pyrrhon planned everything that happened in the game.

He's implied to be very well-versed in prophecies, more so than the the other (demi-)gods. So why were they so quick to treat him like a fool? Easy: because that's exactly what he wanted. In order to keep the prophecies on track, he planted the desire for world conquest in Hades, framed humans for a few forest fires (or helped speed along a few that had already been started) to tick off Viridi, etc. It's hard to suspect someone whose head you believe is full of nothing but hot air of deceit, as he proved in-game when he tried to take over the Aurum Brain. Now, what if the entire point of the game wasn't stopping Hades, and to a lesser extent Viridi, but rather saving the entire universe from the planet-eating Aurum swarm? He knew that they would come to Skyworld eventually, and had to get all three sides prepared to fight them. Maybe the book he referred to even outright stated, in detail, the combatants in the war that would draw the Aurum. Finally, what if his possession really served to let him, in fact, weaken the Aurum that crucial bit more? The rest of the plot of stopping Hades, who might have ended up messing with souls even without Pyrrhon's influence, would just be a bonus.

  • Or, he manipulated the other gods into fighting so he could take over the Aurum because he really believed he could control them.

Dark Lord Gaol didn't survive Chapter 2, and Magnus died during the Chaos Kin Arc

Pit had already felt guilty about severely hurting a regular human who was forced into the armour. Palutena pacified him by telling him that it seemed like she was holding on. However, despite Palutena telling him that, Gaol did not survive. Magnus probably tried to get her medical help but she died in his arms. He had lost who could have possibly been his only friend since the loss of his family.

Three years later, Magnus was torn apart by guilt on allowing it to happen. He had gone to stop what he thought was Pit. He acted confident in the faces of others, but secretly wanted to die and hoped that he would be killed.

However, he put that ring on and Pit controlled him. He knew the truth. So he decided to do one last thing before he died himself, hence why he said to Pit 'be careful with my body, I'm going to need it later.'

When he helped Pit get back to his body, satisfied, he committed suicide. But the story doesn't end there.

His connection with Gaol, his brief body-sharing with Pit, and his strength as a human impressed Lord Dyntos, who reunited him and Gaol in the City of Souls and brought them to his workshop before anything could happen to their souls thanks to Hades.

He used them to test Pit and was impressed at how well they held themselves against the angel. So he kept the two of them with him.

He's now training them to be new officers for him, believing them better than just making them go into the afterlife, reincarnating them, or letting Hades have them.

Dyntos didn't summon Magnus and Gaol to fight Pit in the Three Trials
Everything else in that chapter is outright stated to have been created by Dyntos. If he can make copies that are that close to their originals, why would he go to all the work of calling them there?

If there is ever a sequel, it will kick off where this one ended.
The characters ultimately figure that only Hades would benefit from the on-going war, but that isn't true. While Hades was doing his thing and furthering his own goals, Ares, the God of War, was benefiting from the war too. Ares decides to lay low and just enjoy the fact that everything was going his way, but then steps in when Hades can no longer carry on the war.

Angelic weapons cannot hurt humans.
On several occasions, Pit is fighting with one or more humans in the vicinity: Magnus and the human army in Chapter 2 and the human soldiers trapped in the Reset Bomb Forest in chapter 11. Gaol is non-fatally knocked out at the end of chapter 2, as if Pit's shots and blows only affected the armor and not her. The soldiers show no adverse effect from the attacks that sever the vines which hold them. The Chaos Kin used a weapon it made itself, so it could kill humans and attack Magnus in Pit's body, and in chapter 24 Dyntos enchanted either Pit's weapon or Magnus' body so that the two could fight.

Gaol is the mother of Magnus's now-deceased child.
We know the two were previously acquainted, and with no real details on Magnus's family, it seems plausible.

Pit will become a God in the next game (If there is one)
Similar to the above WMG of Pit going against all Gods, which seems unlikely considering his devotion for Palutena and him befriending Viridi, I imagine a more logical approach that is more fitting to the series's mood.

To sum it, there seems to be three main realms, Heaven or Skyworld, Hell or Underworld, and the human world, Earth. Palutena rules over the first and Hades over the second. However, there is no Earth God, as Viridi is nature alone. So while Palutena does take over duties of watching mankind, they have no actual, specific god, so I imagine Pit, the one humans keep seeing saving them, starting to be worshipped by them, and it may be that godhood can be attained by many believing in you like a God, so who would be better to get the title than mister 'I love humanity'?

He already owns the Chariot of Lightning, stated to be the chariot of the Gods, and has proven to be powerful enough to defeat most of them without external help.

Maybe even meeting some Prometheus expy that wants to give mankind a deity to protect them against God wars, so he acts as the Chessmaster in order to lure Pit into said position.

The Amazing Mirror and the Mirror of Truth are of similar origin.
Dark Pit was created by the power of the Mirror of Truth. As was stated before, this isn't an uncommon way for dark counterparts of Nintendo's protagonists to come about, but I find the biggest parallel to be in Kirby and the Amazing Mirror. Similar to Dark Pit, Dark Meta Knight was supposed to have been created by the power of the Mirror World, the entrance to which is the Amazing Mirror. Had Pit not shattered the Mirror of Truth, it quite possibly could have operated as a portal as well, replicating monsters by bringing their mirror world counterparts over into the real world (Dark Pit was shown to literally come out of the mirror). Furthermore, not all counterparts originating from the Amazing Mirror are evil, such as Shadow Kirby, just as Dark Pit isn't evil either. At the very least the two mirrors are similar, if not outright sharing the same exact powers.

Thanatos was actually directly working under Hades all along, not Medusa.
Hades mentions that Thanatos does have special privelages, and gives a lot of attention to him in Chapter 14. Furthermore, of all the minions Pit defeated in the Medusa arc, Thanatos is the only one Hades revived.

During Chapter 7, the fact that Thanatos is Medusa's second in command is commented as odd by both Pit and Palutena. When asked why he doesn't outrank Medusa as the God of Death, Thanatos begins dodging the question and they drop it. It might have been just a joke, but it could also be possible that he really does outrank Medusa, and was dodging it to avoid leading to questions about who he's really working for if not Medusa. They also question why Medusa would make Thanatos her second-in-command at all, which does seem odd for her, yet he's a perfect fit for Hades given their goofy, laid-back natures. Finally, in Chapter 9, he's the only minion Medusa doesn't create a copy of, as if she either doesn't have the authority to do so or is not aware of how to go about "reviving" him.

Palutena's change and the Chaos Kin
The question here is why the Chaos Kin put Palutena through a Brainwashed and Crazy campaign against humanity. This troper thinks it was all because of her. The Chaos Kin isn't as primitive as everyone might believe. While it was trying to feed on her soul, Palutena was just too strong for it. To compensate, the Chaos Kin attacked her vulnerabilities. By turning her loyal follower Pit into an empty shell and then using her to kill the humans she felt compassion for, all of it was meant to, figuratively and literally, break her spirit to make it easier for the Chaos Kin to feed. It took three years to tear out her soul, it might have taken as many as ten without more drastic measures.

Orcos from Of Myths and Monsters is Hades.
Orcos is a god of death much like Hades. What if the original game was Medusa trying to prove her worth to Orcos, then when she failed, Orcos geared up to attack directly? That storyline resembles how, in this game, Medusa led the Underworld forces against the Overworld, then when she failed, Hades got off his throne.

Tanatos is not Thanatos.
In the original, Thanatos was a dragon attached to Medusa's head, with one hit point. In this game, you meet Tanatos at the Seafloor Palace, far from either the Underworld or the Palace in the Sky, and he's a humanoid creature who puts up quite a fight. Then later on, you fight Thanatos (spelled the original way) in a form much like his original form, in the sky, and he goes down quickly again, and probably would've still been easy without the Forces of Nature helping you. He doesn't even speak. And there's no reference to your previous fight with Tanatos.

Palutena was pretending to be a fake.
Right at endgame, you face a Boss Rush with modified versions of two past bosses: Dark Lord Gaol is joined by Magnus, and you can go for Palutena directly instead of needing to take out the Chaos Kin controlling her. But the final boss of the boss rush was testing your ability to fight your friends. Palutena was cheating him because she really cared about your future and knew you would never knowingly hurt her, but some of what the "fake" says is still nicer than the real Palutena can be to you.

The Magma Theory
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Dark Pit met Viridi while Pit was at the Seafloor Palace. The Chaos Kin was at the time a prisoner of the Space Pirates, then caused the deaths of the little girl's parents after Chapter 9. It made Hades wish for the girl's parents back so she would not want revenge. But then Dark Pit defeated it and took it to Arlon, who was finishing the Lunar Sanctum. Over the next few chapters, the girl found out who was behind her parents' death, swore revenge, and went on a three-year quest for the Ring of Chaos.

Sakurai was personally behind American Kirby Is Hardcore all along.
He did direct this game in addition to Kirby, and for this game he left the translation to well-known Western Animation script writers who knew Japanese and were more than capable of Woolseyism. Kirby games hadn't been script-heavy in the first place, and Sakurai presumably decided to see what Western preferences really were and leave at least some localization up to them. The visual effects still retain some of the Trope Namer, for instance Dark Pit easily dispatching the Underworld Gatekeeper rather than barely finishing it off, and Sakurai was the most important person by far both here and in Kirby, so it's easy to see how he could've been the one behind it all.
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