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resolved There are several edits by ethanm1 on the headscratcher page for a New Hope that seems written by AI Film
Example
Great question! The Death Star is powered by a powerful reactor located in the station's core. This reactor generates a massive amount of energy that is used to power a combination of propulsions systems, including repulsorlift engines, which allow the station to hover in the air or space, and sublight engines, which allow it to move through hyperspace. The Death Star also employs a special type of engine known as a hyperdrive, which is capable of moving the station across vast distances at faster-than-light speeds. This engine can be used to move the station between different star systems, and is what allows it to travel from one battle to another. However, it takes time to charge and power up the hyperdrive, which is why the Death Star is usually accompanied by a fleet of support ships, such as the imperial star destroyers, which can provide protection while it is charging its hyperdrive. Overall, the Death Star is a highly advanced and powerful vehicle that is designed to dominate the galaxy and instill fear in its enemies. The station's weapons, armor, and propulsion systems make it one of the most formidable craft in the galaxy, and its ability to travel from one system to another allows it to be a constant threat to any target, whether it's a rebel base, or simply an entire planet that it has been sent to destroy
Are the use of AI to answer headscratchers okay?
openTroper Linking to Character Sheets in Examples
~SpectacularTroper frequently links to character sheets on entries that have links to the media already, which makes for redundant links.
- This edit on Important Hair Accessory
- This one (and another) on Peer as Teacher, which I saw and sent a message letting them know this wasn't necessary.
- This one on Rough Overalls.
- This one on I Just Want to Have Friends
- This one on Cherry Blossom Girl
There's several others as well. Should I send another notifier?
Edited by NethiliaopenPossible violation of fic may be yours, but page is ours.
The creator of Peter & Company is currently on here and seems to be violating The Fic May Be Yours, but the Trope Page Is Ours, as they've made a number of edits on their comic's page, such as replacing the image without IP consensus, editing the work's description, deleting examples, and editing the work's YMMV page, which as far as I know, is forbidden to authors.
Edited by Tylerbear12openMy questions regarding visual arts.
Some tropes seem like they would fit into work pages with the "Art/" namespace. But I am unsure if these are appropriate to edit. Are these OK to put them as examples?
- Minimalist Cast: Most sculptures and some paintings only involve like 1 to 3 characters, some paintings also depict only landscapes and objects without any characters.
- No Plot? No Problem!: None of these works have any narrative, therefore it seems fitting.
openRough Overalls without shirts
I'd like to discuss recent changes on the Rough Overalls trope.
- During the TLP (an adoption I did and adapted from the original proposal, Active Youth Overalls, where overalls were more tied to "cute" girls wearing them) one of the things discussed was trying to move the trope away from fanservice. The conclusion was that "cute girls wear overalls" wasn't a trope and was more like fanservice. (The TLP is also where the idea to split kids in overalls off separately into Kiddy Coveralls was done, as well as the mention to take examples from the defunct "Workers Wear Overalls" TLP.)
- Recently, Gofastmike added a third "not as often" example of wearing overalls for messy jobs while wearing nothing else but the overalls.
- I (after a correction that the top of overalls are called the bib) moved the talk to be under "blue collar work" since it was already discussed there and didn't need to be separate, and added data about people wearing shirts or not, to cover that not all wearing overalls in messy jobs is without the undershirt for practicality.
- Gofastmike has recently re-added the shirtless parts of wearing the overalls for messy jobs without noting that people can wear shirts for these messy jobs, not just overalls.
I'd like to discuss this with said editor and the community. I think it doesn't do the trope any good to mention the shirtlessness so prominently under messy jobs when it's mentioned in the fanservice "not as prominent" trope already, and the part about blue collar/messy jobs should be more about the labor side of things.
Edited for typos and clarifications.
Edited by NethiliaopenInconsistency in page titles for a video game series. Videogame
Cross posting with the games' Discussion Page and forum thread but posting it here since no one pays attention to those pages.
Basically, the Super Robot Wars pages are inconsistent on whether or not they use the "expanded" titles for their games or not. For example, we have a page for Super Robot Wars Advance, even though Super Robot Wars A is what other sites use and it's what the art on our page uses. This is admittedly an extreme case since the Updated Re-release was on the PSP and it was very explicitly A and not Advance there, but it's equally true for Super Robot Wars Judgment which is usually referred to as Super Robot Wars J. We don't even have it as a redirect. The same is true for a bunch of other games in the series.
And then we have Super Robot Wars V, but no Super Robot Wars Voyage.
Given that the expanded titles aren't really part of the game or packaging or anything as far as I can tell (I'd say it's All There in the Manual but the games I own where this applies do not have manuals) I'd like to move all the pages to their shortened versions and turned the expanded versions into redirects.
Edited by LarkmarnopenWhere would an Affectionate Nickname go?
On Characters.Shovel Knight Main Characters, I added an entry for Affectionate Nickname under Mona's folder, as she is the one who uses the name in regards to Plague Knight. However, Roy Campbell's folder on Characters.Metal Gear 2 Solid Snake has an Affectionate Nickname entry that he's on the receiving end of (Snake calling him "Colonel" long after he retired from active service). What's the best place to put examples of this?
openno direct linking to fanfics that don't have work pages
I noticed an example of a fanfic I had placed years ago was red linked because there is no work page for it. Looking back through the history I had linked directly to the story, but it was changed because the site isn't meant to take people away from the site. Or something like that.
Is this true? Because if it is it kind of makes it harder for people to find the story if they take an interest.
Where I saw this: Circus of Fear
openEdit war (?) on YMMV.Hilda Western Animation
I think there is a possible edit war on YMMV.Hilda.
Back in December 11, 2023, Nic Master Trope added a Base-Breaking Character entry covering Anders from S3, which I then deleted since it violates No Recent Examples, Please! (as it had only been a couple of days after the season aired (december 7) and examples require a six month waiting period after the work/season's release). However, on April 29, 2024, Nic Master Troper re-added and expanded the example, once again violating No Recent Examples, Please! (waiting period for S3 examples is not over til June 7) and ignoring the commented out saying not to put such examples until the waiting period is up.
I am taking it here, because I want to avoid an edit war and the user has now violated No Recent Examples, Please! twice.
Edited by Tylerbear12openWhere part of TvTropes do I go to for suggesting examples for subpages Web Original
I want to add another example to Nightmare Fuel, on Serina.
Edited by robo22openShould we have a trope for this? Web Original
A lot of new Web Animations added here are one-shot manga anthologies featuring the same main characters in different situations. I'm talking AoHaru Manga Library, Manga Soprano, ATTAC Kon MIKA, things like that. If Object Shows already has its own page with a list of examples, why shouldn't these manga anthologies get one?
Edited by Eris250openHindsight misuse or not, needs prediction?
YMMV.My Little Pony Nakama Is Magic
- Hilarious in Hindsight: Tama in the English dub of One Piece calls Luffy "Big Bro Luffy", just like Spike.
I PM'd the troper who added it that Hindsight only applies to/goes under the earlier work made this, not causing it. They replied that this fic came out before that point in the dub so not misuse, the replied separately that they realized it's misuse as Hindsight requires it be a prediction.
This is the first I've heard of the prediction criteria, does it require that? And is this a valid Hindsight example or not?
resolved Possible edit war
On YMMV.Touken Ranbu Warriors (and it's previous name Touken Ranbu Musuo):
- Troper biggestSoap added an Esoteric Happy Ending entry on its previous name before I moved it.
- I removed it, citing this comment on the "Is this an Example" thread".
- Soap added it again (albeit rewritten) on the new named page.
I'm not sure if edit warring counts when a page is moved from its original language title to one that is officially localized so I wish to know.
Edited by Ayumi-chanopenUse of gendered character trope names
I might need a refresher on the rules about the gendered versions of character tropes and a link towards any official place on which they are spelled out.
My current understanding is that we always use the official title in example lists and only adapt to the character's gender if the trope name is used within example text. If that understanding is correct, someone editing the same pages as me might need a PM linking to a on official-ish place where the rules is spelled out. If I'm wrong, I need to change my own behavior.
Edited by NazetrimeopenAbout uploading reprise videos...
If you upload the full video for one song, is it okay to include the same video (or part of it) if you upload an example for Triumphant Reprise?
Example: "When Love is Gone" for Break Up Song and "When Love is Gone & Found" for Triumphant Reprise.
Edited by TrendingToon1resolved Page to cut, misuse.
UnintentionalUncannyValley.Fan Works and UnintentionalUncannyValley.Tabletop Games were removed from Unintentional Uncanny Valley as all examples were intentional and moved to Uncanny Valley.
Is there a reason the pages were not cut or should they be.
resolved Franchises Across Multiple Media Categories
I launched Melting Pot Sci-Fi Setting yesterday. During TLP I arranged the Star Trek and Star Wars examples into their own Franchise folders. I did this because these are media Franchises with shared lore that all rely on the trope, so scattering be between different media categories makes things hard to follow.
During the TLP there was discussion about me initially alphabetizing this incorrectly but nobody seemed to mind me keeping the Franchises together: https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/discussion.php?id=6i0kr1c7noxf5im7knrfo4op
However ~Nejiiuyn has edited the page and split them up and now it's confusing:
I don't want to just reverse this as I'd be edit warring but I did want to bring it here for discussion.
openContentious DoubleStandardRapeFemaleOnMale in ''VideoGame/Fallout3''
Recently, a valid example of Double Standard Rape: Female on Male was removed from the Fallout 3 page. It involves a female character using mutated queen ant pheromones (which are explicitly called an aphrodisiac) to seduce a priest who has taken a vow of celebacy. If you provide her with the pheromones during the quest, the game gives you Good Karma, emphasizing the "double standard" part.
I added it back with an explanation on how/why it fits the trope (I did not add it initially, so it's not an edit war), but out of curiousity, checked the page's history on that trope. It has been deleted and added back, deleted and added back, two other times.
As mentioned in my most recent add-back, I obviously feel that it is a valid example as a woman is using a chemical to impact the decision making of man with the explicit intent of getting him to break his vow of celebacy (the "rape" part), and then the game gives you Good Karma for helping her to do that (the "double standard" part).
I'd like to get some kind of consensus decision and add a link to that entry (commented out) explaining that it is valid and should stay to avoid future situations like this.
WebVideo.Jet Lag The Game:
While YMMV and Flame Bait allow in-universe examples, Darth Wiki I belive does not, correct? Also WAI requires the You'd Expect/Instead format so this isn't an example.
So should this be cut? Any possible replacements? (You Fool! seems the in-universe equivalent to WAI, but if it's limited to verbatim uses of Fool/synonyms is a question I asked but have yet to hear anything on.)