During the investigation of recent hollers in the Complete Monster thread, it's become apparent to the staff that an insular, unfriendly culture has evolved in the Complete Monster and Magnificent Bastard threads that is causing problems.
Specific issues include:
- Overzealous hollers on tropers who come into the threads without being familiar with all the rules and traditions of the tropes. And when they are familiar with said rules and traditions, they get accused (with little evidence) of being ban evaders.
- A few tropers in the thread habitually engage in snotty, impolite mini-modding. There are also regular complaints about excessive, offtopic "socializing" posts.
- Many many thread regulars barely post/edit anywhere else, making the threads look like they are divorced from the rest of TV Tropes.
- Following that, there are often complaints about the threads and their regulars violating wiki rules, such as on indexing, crosswicking, example context and example categorization. Some folks are working on resolving the issues, but...
- Often moderator action against thread regulars leads to a lot of participants suddenly showing up in the moderation threads to protest and speak on their behalf, like a clique.
It is not a super high level problem, but it has been going on for years and we cannot ignore it any longer. There will be a thread in Wiki Talk
to discuss the problem; in the meantime there is a moratorium on further Complete Monster and Magnificent Bastard example discussion until we have gotten this sorted out.
Update: The new threads have been made and can be found here:
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to everyone I missed").
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What is the Work
Here you briefly describe the work in question and explain any important setting details. Don't assume that everyone is familiar with the work in question.
Who is the Candidate and What have they Done?
This will be the main portion of the Effort Post. Here you list all of the crimes committed by the candidate. For candidates with longer rap sheets, keep the list to their most important and heinous crimes, we don't need to hear about every time they decide to do something minor or petty.
Do they have any Mitigating Factors or Freudian Excuse?
Here you discuss any potential redeeming or sympathetic features the character has, the character's Freudian Excuse if they have one, as well as any other potential mitigating factors like Offscreen Villainy or questions of moral agency. Try to present these as objectively as possible by presenting any evidence that may support or refute the mitigating factors.
Do they meet the Heinousness Standard?
Here you compare the actions of the Candidate to other character actions in the story in order to determine if they stand out or not. Remember that all characters, not just other villains, contribute to the Heinousness Standard
Final Verdict?
Simply state whether or not you think the character counts or not.
Edited by GastonRabbit on Aug 31st 2023 at 4:14:10 AM
Doesn’t really seem like the kind of show aiming to have one though.
Goku Black
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producer
Mass murder or attempts at it are Done by quite a few villains. Even ignoring the shows over the top tone.
"That's right mortal. By channeling my divine rage into power, I have forged a new instrument in which to destroy you."
to the Producer
to the Producer. Maybe in a vacuum, he'd count, but he's got too much competition.
Alright, now that I have read the EP, ![[tup]](https://static.tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pub/images/Thumbs_up_emoticon_3268.png "[thumb up]"){kind=small}
Naraku
Nobody counts in Regular Show. Closest who probably counts is Klorgbane, who's an onscreen multiple murderer but still short of other characters like Anti-Pops.
One other guy I wanna get up tonight—y'all remember Lighty and I's Maciste binge? I got a candidate from Maciste in Hell, not the version from the 1960s we already have up but back from the 1920s during the wave of silent Maciste films, almost all of which were lost. This version of Maciste in Hell bears more resemblance to 1926's Faust than its sword-and-sandal successors (yet premiered a year before Faust—that film's version of Mephistopheles may actually owe some influence to today's candidate).
May I present Barbariccia.
Who is Barbariccia? What has he done?
Barbariccia is the lieutenants of the devils ruling Hell, an insubordinate and ambitious sort who seeks to overthrow Satan—er, "King Pluto." Treacherous even for a demon, Barbariccia seduces the king's very wife under his nose and and seeks to become King of Hell.
Barbariccia is sent by Pluto to gather souls on Earth, a process Barbariccia takes to with skillful abandon; we see him leading literal droves of souls into the clutches of eternal damnation. We're not spared all the manifold tortures of Hell just because it's a silent film, either; we get souls condemned to roll boulders up steep hills while being flogged and tormented by demons, people thrown into burning hellpits to fry to eternity, so on and so forth. Maciste even finds a screaming throng of dozens or hundreds of burning souls in a rather stunning visual for a 1925 picture.
On Earth, Barbariccia deigns to steal the soul of Maciste's good-hearted neighbour Graziella. To do this, Barbariccia sets up Graziella to fall in love with, be impregnated by and subsequently be abandoned by an unfaithful nobleman. Barbariccia gleefully visits Graziella's house just to rub it in her face that she's been abandoned. To accelerate her trip into despair, Barbariccia kidnaps Graziella's infant child, abandons the baby in the woods to die, then tricks Graziella into renouncing God in her grief and has his demons swoop in to drag her off to damnation the second she does so. Maciste manages to save the baby, a random priest saves Graziella, and Barbariccia banishes Maciste to Hell when the two butt heads.
Barbariccia frames the film's third act when he decides to lead a full-out coup on Hell and has his forces start massacring every single person between him and the throne of Pluto. Pluto's defenders are impaled, ripped apart by violent demons, heads are ripped off and thrown into flaming pits—it's pretty damn metal. The giant battle concludes with Maciste going One-Man Army on Barbariccia's forces and pinning Barbariccia with his own pitchforks next to the defeated mounds of his army for all eternity.
Any mitigating factors?
Not a single one. It's hilarious how the oldest Maciste villains are some of the worst, but here we are—a villain from the mid-1920s responsible for massacres, attempted infanticide and the damnation of countless people.
Conclusion?
Easy keeper.
Easy yes for Barba
to Barba
Goku Black
Barba
Yes to Barbariccia. All hail king Pluto.
to Barbariccia.
Wild Child
Barba.
Also, Zhan Tiri was given her own character page nearly a month ago, so her entry should probably be pot-holed to that.
Why so serious?
"The Juice is Loose."
Yes to Barbariccia.
Fan-Preferred Couple cleanup thread
Professor Gigachad
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The page was created by me so you have my approval to do so if you need it. I never thought of doing that.
Edited by Ordeaux26 on Oct 18th 2020 at 7:42:22 AM
CM Sandboxes, MB Sandboxes
Shin Megami Tensei IV
Current mood: sick of your shit
Barbariccia
Just finished a movie with an amazing CM concept. Dude sacrifices a whole school of children, then collects dozens of not hundreds of ghosts and makes them experience their deaths over and over again for all eternity, all to allow Hell to reign on Earth, but literally during the last two minutes says it was all for his never-before-seen, never-before-mentioned family. :/
Read "Ghost Stories of Remnant" here.
Barba
what was that movie?
to Barbariccia
Barbariccia
About the writeup for Beasts of Burden's Harrow:
- Beasts of Burden's: "What the Cat Dragged In" arc: The Harrow is a sadistic demon summoned by the former witch's familiar cat, Dymphna. Upon being bound, the Harrow traps Dymphna's kittens and their caretaker, forcing the latter to try to kill the former two and leading to her death in self-defense. Reviving her, the Harrow forces this to repeat constantly, torturing all of them so horribly the kittens scratch their eyes out to escape, even trying to kill themselves only to be revived and tortured all the more by the demon. Upon defeat, the Harrow attempts to drag Dymphna and her allies back to hell for eternal torture at the hands of its brethren.
"What the Cat Dragged In" is a single issue (as most of the Beasts of Burden stories are), so it seems a bit odd to call it an "arc" or the Harrow an Arc Villain. It's the equivalent of an episode. Also the formatting at the beginning is weird. You've got the work title with a possessive 's and a colon after it.
Thanks for catching! Simple solution would just be ax the "arc" and the apostrophe "s" can go.
Happy Birthday Library!
Based on the EP, to Sadie. Greer Grammer: yet another for CM WTF?. Can’t help but imagine what would’ve happened if April had been anything like that. Haha.
Edited by futuremoviewriter on Oct 18th 2020 at 9:44:18 AM
The wifi here sucks
OK here's my EP from the lesser known film version of Gaslight I may follow this up with an EP from the better known 1944 remake depending on how this goes.
What’s the work?
Gaslight (also known as Angel Street in the US) is a British 1940 psychological thriller based on the 1938 play of the same name. It follows newlyweds Paul and Bella Mallen as they deal with Bella’s supposed madness, while a retired detective begins investigating Paul for his odd behavior.
Who is Louis Bauer and what does he do?
Years ago, Louis strangled his aunt Alice Barlow to death in her home in London, and ransacked her house in a desperate search for a set of rubies she owned which are immensely valuable. Years lanter, Louis took the fake name of Paul Mallen and married Bella, moving into Alice’s old house but leaving the top two floors where she was killed, unoccupied.
Throughout the film, and for at least two weeks prior, Paul has been moving objects around the house and claiming that Bella has been moving them, causing her to believe that she is going mad and having a public breakdown shortly before the events of the film which causes others to avoid her. Paul also isolates her from her family, intercepting letters from her cousins in order to make her feel like they don’t want to talk to her. Through these methods Paul has been effectively Mind Raping Bella for weeks, leaving her in a constant state of emotional distress and having numerous breakdowns, including another public meltdown that Paul sets up. Every night, Paul leaves the house and goes into another one down the street and then sneaks back into the top two floors of his own house to further search for the rubies, causing the gaslights inside of Bella’s room to dim, further tormenting her. All of this is a preamble to Paul trying to get Bella locked up in an asylum, to eliminate her suspicions of his actions, which terrifies her since she once saw a woman die in an asylum.
Eventually, the detective, Rough contacts Bella while Paul is out of the house and he reveals that Paul is really Louis Bauer, which causes Bella to freak out more, as Paul’s gaslighting of her started when she found an envelope with that name on it. Paul returns at a bad time and Bella reveals that the rubies were originally in her brooch which Paul took from Alice, but that the rubies fell out so she put them in a vase. Paul then attacks Bella and Rough with a chair but Rough and another cop subdue him and tie him up. When left alone with Bella, he tries to get her to cut the ropes but she messes with him by claiming that he’s gone mad since there’s clearly no knife in her hand. He breaks out of his bindings on his own and lunges for the rubies he’s spent so long searching for and is arrested.
Mitigating Factors?
Paul is attracted to his maid Nancy and eventually goes with her on a date which is what ultimately causes him to be caught but I don’t find this too mitigating. He seems mostly just attracted to her since she’s younger than Bella rather than genuinely in love. Even on the date, he leaves in the middle of the musical they’re watching despite her protests. He has a wife in Australia but he doesn’t ever talk about her.
Heinousness?
He’s the only villain in the film so he sets the in-universe standard. I don’t really know if he’s heinous enough to meet the baseline though. He has one murder of his elderly aunt, his gaslighting of his wife, plus his assault of her and Rough. The gaslighting is extremely harmful to Bella and she’s extremely emotionally fragile and has many breakdowns throughout the film. It’s so bad that she even questions if Rough was real without any prompting from him and he’s been doing this to her for over two weeks. Plus his plan to throw her into an asylum is pretty nasty since this is back when asylums were very inhospitable which Bella’s story of the girl she saw die in one backs up.
Conclusion?
I’ll leave it to you guys if he’s bad enough.
Hope your prepared for an unforgettable luncheon
I'd have to say no to Louis. The gaslighting is nasty but it takes an exceptional amount of flourish to keep with such a low body count and Louis doesn't cut it.
Draft for Sadie.
Edited by k410ren on Oct 18th 2020 at 9:00:32 AM
"I'll show you the Dark Side." CM actors and kills