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to Dormammu.

Point taken then. When I get up from sleep, I'll see if I can trim it down. Until then, others can add up suggestions.

Also one thing. While it's true that she's very depraved, the nature of the compressed show means that she's considered like not exactly a big deal, when Mordred kills her, everyone just went on like nothing happened, even her family never mentions her again. While she is VERY depraved, it was like she doesn't influence the story overall.

Does that disqualify her? Then again, Uryu in Fate/Zero, a textbook CM, has rather little impact as well, when they eliminated him, they just saw Caster/Gilles as the main reason why the cast united, not him...

edited 5th Oct '17 9:25:02 AM by ChrisX

Dormammu

Not, it doesn't eliminate her.

Scraggle: I'm surprised that only a handful of Dormammus count too. Same with Stormin' Norman Osborn or, to use an example from DC, freaking Darkseid.

But anyway, on to my other Polarity candidate: Grim Reaper.

Who is Grim Reaper?

Born Eric Williams, brother of the Avenger known as Simon Williams/Wonder Man, Grim Reaper is a Maggia enforcer-turned scythe-handed, power-armored practitioner of the dark arts and a constant thorn in the Avengers' side. In this fic? He's one of the main villains and one of the two responsible for the zombie outbreak along with his master Dormammu.

What has he done?

Before the outbreak, Reaper was tinkering with his scythe in his lair when he was graced by a vision from the Dread One himself: Dormammu showed him a future that may or may not come to pass (It's never elaborated on if this is a trick or something that will certainly happen) that involves Reaper being shanked in prison and spending his last moments with his brother Simon comforting him, much to his displeasure. The one responsible for his maybe-future death? Norman Osborn, who paid off his shanker. According to this vision, Norman would go on to devastate the world and burn it to its core through constant warfare. Due to viewing his old lieutenant The Hood as being unworthy, Dormammu enlists Grim Reaper's help in keeping the potential destruction of the Earth at Osborn's hands from happening: not out of altruism mind you, but so he can be the one to do it.

A smug sociopath who doesn't give a damn about selling out the human race, Grim Reaper naturally accepted and was blessed with incredible power. He'd go on to, under Dormammu's guidance, help bring the zombie plague into the fanfic's universe by sacrificing The Hood, using him as the trigger to unleash the plague. So along with Dormammu, Grim Reaper shares culpability in the suffering of billions bought on by the zombies, purely out of his desire to chase personal power.

Meanwhile, Grim Reaper would use his new powers to recruit other super villains to his side: he'd resurrect dead ones and grant immunity from the zombies to living ones like Electro and Vulture (The latter whom he restored to perfect health after suffering a stroke). Those who join are promised prestige and power over the few survivors they'd keep from Dormammu's attack to use and abuse as they please, while those who refuse? Well, I'll cover that later.

Anyway, like Dormammu, Grim Reaper stays out of the story for a while, but his evil is felt everywhere. Shocker ends up running into Electro and Vulture, both on his payroll and both with standing orders to kill him, because Grim Reaper views him as an annoyance who helped rally the world to fight back against the zombies as opposed to falling apart in the face of certain doom. Needless to say, it doesn't take: Shocker beats them, they're both iced by The Punisher when their guard is down, and Grim Reaper revives both the irritated thugs.

He also ends up directly controlling a zombified Hulk, using his body to draw out the Avengers by killing and devouring a bus full of people and trying to repeat the process before they show up. What follows is a ridiculously long city-wide brawl with him tangling with Hydro Man, Spider-Man, Thor, and Ms. Marvel before Shocker gets thrown into the mix. Thankfully, with his brains and Hydro Man's brawn, the two are able to kill the zombified Hulk by the careful application of high water pressure to the brain.

After a while, Reaper makes his first appearance in the story proper when Norman Osborn tries to kill Shocker and leave him for dead: he saves Herman from the brink of death and lets him wake up in a church that he and his crew are holed up in. And there, Grim Reaper introduces himself and gives Shocker the pitch of a lifetime: join him and his immortal posse, and accept the power and prestige that come with being The Dread One's personal lap dogs. And after going on a long winded rant explaining his motivation for throwing in his lot with Dormammu that ends with Shocker telling him to go to hell? Reaper shows him exactly what happens to those who turn down his offers: he draws attention to the form of the Punisher, who is crucified and hanging from a cross with barbed wire, left to slowly, painfully bleed to death over the course of several days. Yeah, if you snub the Grim Reaper? He'll snub you, slowly torturing you to death and letting you come back a mindless zombie. He then allows the psychotic Electro to torture Shocker as he sees fit, but orders to leave him barely alive on the off chance he changes his mind. But otherwise, he leaves with the rest of his cult in order to summon Dormammu.

Thankfully, Boomerang and Spider-Man are able to save the day and free Shocker and the Punisher, and the quartet head over to the SHIELD safe zone to take down Grim Reaper and friends. Showing up with his allies, Grim Reaper gets his horde to break down the barricades defending the refugees and sics his zombie hordes on the lot while he and the other Dormammu cultists throw down with the Avengers, SHIELD, and Norman Osborn's Thunderbolts in the showdown of a lifetime. And yeah, as I said with Dormammu this is where things end: the zombies are vanquished by Shocker, Reaper botches Dormammu's emergence, and is soon electrocuted to death by a megalomaniacal Electro for his trouble.

Is he heinous by the standards of the story?

Yep. Being Dormammu's chief enforcer, he shares culpability in the zombie outbreak, willing to damn the world out of spite towards Norman Osborn and pure, unbridled lust for power. He also gets nasty little bits of personal villainy like weaponising a zombified Hulk and torturing the Punisher and Shocker to keep him from being overshadowed by his boss. And out of Dormammu's cultists? His only real competition is Electro, who is the one responsible for torturing Shocker on his orders, killed his own henchmen to gain Grim Reaper's favor (offscreen), murdered his abusive mother (also offscreen), and decided to take Reaper's place as his chief enforcer so he can help him destroy his home dimension and others. That being said, a lot of Electro's villainy is offscreen and Reaper's bodycount is far bigger.

Any mitigating qualities or a valid Freudian Excuse?

He seems to on the surface, but none of them hold up. It's mentioned that like in the comics, he loved his brother enough to turn to supervillainy in order to avenge his death. In the present day? He hates the guy and talks about him with pure disdain in his voice. And yeah, he's willing to get people on his side by doing things like bringing them back to life and undoing strokes in The Vulture's case, but Reaper's whole shtick is acting all buddy-buddy to get people on his side. As shown by how he treated Punisher and Shocker, he's more than willing to brutalize and hurt people who talk down to him or blow him off, and he constantly zigzags between threatening and intimidating Shocker and acting nice while trying to sway him to his side.

Ultimately? Grim Reaper is an egomaniac on a power trip. The guy does wondrous things like raising the dead and curing diseases for the sake of feeling, in his own words, "bigger than Jesus". Nothing mitigating about him in the slightest.

Final Thoughts

Another keeper, I'd say.

edited 5th Oct '17 10:28:13 AM by FriedWarthog

I'll Eric "Grim Reaper" Williams.

Reaper.

I think the reason Dormammu doesn't have more iternations who count is because he doesn't have too many iterations PERIOD. His comic form counted, but his MCU form was a GDV; I don't know about Animation, where we get 3 Ultrons and 4 Red Skulls who count (along with a second Dormammu).

reaper. although they mentioned osborn for the new spiderman ps4 game. so maybe we can get 3.

edited 5th Oct '17 10:36:33 AM by miraculous

Dormammu and Reaper. An actually good fanfic! Praise Spider-Jesus!

im actually thinking of proposing mephisto from breaking the deal. should i go for it

Grim Reaper.

Grim Reaper

Huh. Nicely done, Fried. You've given us a fanfic we all seem to like voting on. Yes.

Reaper

So here's what's pending. Also, Lighty & Scraggle: No rush, but are you still on for the eventual Grimm expansions and Krona/TAO expansions, respectively?

• Negaduck (32)
• Alien Chibu Exceller (CyberXIII)
• Dormammu; Eric "Grim Reaper" Williams (FW)
• Lightysnake
  • Kaneyuki "Urado" Miyama (Anime)
  • Grand-Regent Thragg
  • Y'Ruen from The Copper Cat trilogy by Jen Williams
  • Jim Pickering from The Gingerbread Girl
  • Robert "Bob" Anderson (Beadie) from A Good Marriage
  • Jabberwocky; Pan; Cal King rewrites
• Ravok
  • Abdiel
• Scraggle
  • Nosferatu from Broken Moon
  • Krona rewrite
  • TAO rewrite

And yes to Reaper. Congratulations for restoring my faith in fanfic proposals a little, Fried.

Also, I plan to submit this Saturday; I'll request cutting Ma-Ma then (and looking at that comic, it may be worth adding to her character page).

Oh yeah add hildyr and Gideon Lyon to pending write ups

Before I get to my next effort post, there's a couple of outstanding issues I want to address.

First is a potential cut. A while ago, I purchased the Book of Vile Darkness D&D supplement just to read it and I have an issue with the Dread Emperor. In the book itself, the Dread Emperor's entry is mostly a guideline of how you can use the character in an adventure by giving a brief description and a sizable stat block. Take note of me using the adjectives brief and sizable there. The entire entry takes up only two pages and more than half of that is just stats and abilities. The actual description of the character is a scant five paragraphs. Admittedly, everything mentioned in the write up on Dungeons & Dragons is present in the entry, but there is virtually no personality, motivations, or backstory given to the character. Those are meant to be something filled in on the dungeon master's whims during the game itself. I'm proposing a cut simply because I'm not sure if five paragraphs and a real lack of personality and motivations is enough to make a candidate.

My second issue is Warcraft question I thought of while looking over Archimonde and is about Sargeras. Sargeras is a fallen titan that slaughtered his brethren and created the omnicidal Burning Legion to destroy all life in the universe. His motivations are what currently keep him from counting since he wants to destroy all life to prevent the Eldritch Abomination Void Lords from corrupting all reality. His reasons essentially boil down to burning down a forest to prevent a disease from killing it. It's a fairly weak motivation all things considered, but is still strong enough for him to count as a Well-Intentioned Extremist. Although, throughout the Legion expansion, the Burning Legion is shown harnessing and using the Void as a weapon to wipe out local populations. My question is whether or not him using the force he's trying to fight is hypocritical enough to blow a hole in his motivations?

edited 5th Oct '17 11:12:36 AM by LoreDeluxe

I'd cut the Dread Emperor if we don't really get any detailed information on him. As for Sargeras... I'd say if his end goal is still genuine, him using the Void doesn't invalidate much.

Seconded. Hmm, Well Intentioned Hypocrite oughtta be a trope.

Dread Emperor

Sure, cut Dread Emperor. As for Sargeras...no, I don't think that hypocrisy takes away the redeeming quality per se. He could genuinely think Void power is required to save existence from the void Lords.

Btw, how'd the latest expansion end anyways?

HT, Light, Scraggle: Aw shucks, that's nice to hear! Honestly though, I think erazor does a good job proposing fanfic villains too.

As horrifying as Dread Emperor sounds, cut him if he has no personality.