Subpages cleanup: Complete Monster

If D'Arby is the only And I Must Scream inflictor in the series, him.

How many C Ms are from films in The Criterion Collection? I can only think of Hard Boiled and The Killer.

edited 16th Dec '15 10:34:19 PM by DemonDuckofDoom

According to the Anime page, he isn't, and several of the heroes have inflicted And I Must Scream.

edited 16th Dec '15 10:34:33 PM by Camberf

D'Arby, then.

My votes for D'Arby and Norton remain unchanged. I'm skeptical of Toyman counting; he sounds like a creep but the heinous standard seems to present some issues, so I'm going to him to be safe.

Going with what @48693 said, despite not playing the game, I'm gonna try to tentatively describe what Just Cause 3's Di Ravello is. He's basically a cold blooded murderous Chessmaster who wants to take over the world, taken straight out of a cheesy 90s action movie. He sees everyone as tools that he can dispose off when he wants to and has no empathy at all of any of them. He's responsible for the civil war that tore apart Rico's home country and allowed him to become a ruthless dictator that patrols every corner of the country. When Rico tries to liberate the country, Di Ravello's deadset on revenge, declaring that he will burn everything he loves.

I'm sure someone else who has played the game can elaborate on what I said.

edited 16th Dec '15 11:20:32 PM by despoa

DDD: There's also Robocop and The Rock at least.

Not several heroes, just one. And then only to maintain a Thou Shalt Not Kill code while removing the villains as a threat. And against two individuals rather than 15.

I can somewhat understand why D'Arby is seen as a borderline case, but I'm not a fan of re-evaluating existing entries with no new information.

edited 16th Dec '15 11:29:17 PM by BigglesTh9

Stargateverse is there.

Looks great.

Honestly, I have no idea about Toyman.

Edit: No I changed my mind. Give him a .

edited 17th Dec '15 4:00:02 AM by MGD107

I'm new here, but I'll give a tentative for Toyman and a to D'Arby to be safe.

Okay, so none of you suffer what I did. I was looking at Septimus's edits to see if he had done one I requested, and I saw he had recently edited The Force Unleashed. I wondered if the CM had been cut or whatever, so I click, only to find it was removing a spoiler for the movie...and something that, if true, is a pretty big damn spoiler . So, be VERY careful.

I know what you are talking about. I suffered from same thing; on The Force Awakens page, someone added it before it got locked .

edited 17th Dec '15 5:38:37 AM by emperors

I think I'll request swapping and locking and such of the following on or around New Year's:

• Buffyverse
• Stargateverse
• Call of Duty
• Jack Reacher

Wait, when did we decide to create a whole new bunch of work-specific subpages? The last time we seriously discussed it we were dialing back on those, not the other way around.

This creates a bunch of duplication issues as well when all those subpages have 1 whole example from film or similar. I get the impression this has more to do with posting nice-looking images and page quotes. That's what the Image Links and Quotes tabs are for.

I'd like to bring up a villain that was suggested months ago, but was never really resolved. Lillith "Lily" Sullivan from Case 39. The character mainly got votes, but never got a true clarification, so I'd just like to bring her back up now.

Lillith is a demon in the form of a little girl. She feeds on positive emotions and can make people hallucinate their worst fears. It's not shown, but it's mentioned by her parents that she killed her siblings. Lily tricks social worker Emily into thinking that her parents are abusive (they were trying to destroy the demon) and Emily adopts her.

Lily manipulates a boy named Diego into killing his parents. She then kills her psychiatrist, Douglas, by making him hallucinate hornets attacking him until he snaps his neck. She torments her parents who are now in an asylum, ultimately burning her mother fatally and causing her father to get stabbed in the eye, killing them both. She then kills Detective Mike Barron.

Emily realizes that Lily plans to target her next cases, and tries to kill her. Lily survives and retaliates by causing Emily to hallucinate a childhood memory of her mother driving fast in a rainstorm. Emily fights through the memory and drives the car into a lake, where Lily drowns. Even then, she still tries to drag Emily to her death with her.

Lily has no genuine redeeming traits. She claims she wants Emily to love her, but she just wants to control Emily's life. Her parents did mistreat her, but that was mainly because she was a demon who was tormenting them.

As for moral agency... well, Lily is a demon, and the film itself doesn't clarify whether they had moral agency or not. With that said, I think Lily does have a concept of right and wrong. She understands human emotions such as love, and can feel emotions such as fear. In public, she can restrain herself from being evil, and she seems fully in control of herself and her actions.

Now, in the previous conversation, Lightysnake mentioned her not having a character, but she does. Lily is manipulative, sadistic, enjoys playing mind games with her victims. They may be basic traits, but they're still enough personality that she has a character personality.

I think Lily counts. She's just a despicable character, and the fact that there's no evidence that she's Made of Evil makes me give her a . Camberf, ACW, and Ravok thumbed her up in the last conversation, which gives her four s.

edited 18th Dec '15 9:09:07 AM by Clown-Face

I was looking through ImageLinks.Complete Monster, because it turns out that I can asee the images there, and I saw that the images for Apocalypse, Eric and Philip Decker are no longer working. Should I request the cut, or is that something ACW does?

Lily

edited 17th Dec '15 8:39:11 AM by DemonDuckofDoom

If they no longer work, feel free to cut them. Here's◊ Eric though.
Oh, and Morgen, they all have 5 or more, and from the same media (though I don't care too much about the Call of Duty one; as for the Buffyverse and Stargateverse ones, it'll delay having to hard-split the main TV page).

edited 17th Dec '15 9:01:54 AM by ACW

to Lily.

edited 17th Dec '15 8:53:58 AM by MGD107

Lily.

^^ Last time we all agreed to cut anything with less than 5 examples; that doesn't mean something with 5 or more requires a new subpage. If these are huge franchises like Marvel or Star Wars, having a subpage is absolutely a good thing. All these new tiny 5 or 6 example pages are a bad idea because:

• They makes it harder to find examples;
• Tropes have a quote and image links tab to accomodate any quotes or images;
• Certain examples are unnecessarily duplicated;
• It helps spread the wrong notion that having characters who fit this trope is a badge of honor.

I agree 100% with this.

I'll relent on Call Of Duty, and even (reluctantly) Stargate Verse, but I'm tempted to hold my ground on Jack Reacher (especially since Dresden will likely be merged and there could very well be more examples), and especially on Buffyverse.

I support a Buffyverse page, and am ambivalent on the others.

I personally don't see a problem with having these sub pages, if one franchise has that many monsters, it looks tidier to have them all one page, rather than scattered.

I don't see why it should make it more difficult to find. Or suggest that this franchise is better because it has that many monsters.

After all, when it comes to any trope if one work has enough examples, it ends up getting a subpage. Why should this one be any different?

edited 17th Dec '15 10:05:03 AM by MGD107

Speaking as the moderator who handles edit requests, I'd like if folks could rearrange pages and examples a bit more slowly. It creates a lot of work to implement these.