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Wisecrack, Monday, and Extreme yes, The Eye is a legitimate hero who didn't intent to kickstart the Brinkston incident (he only want to banish all the supervillains, not the civilians) and was regretful of the whole situation ever occurred.

Also there's also some bad guys from the spin offs who could count. I think I only have one or two who could keep because most of the mare pretty standard (or at least, nasty but not bad enough).

Edited by Powermaster201 on Sep 25th 2022 at 6:55:43 AM

Question

Surprise! Got one more The Expanse candidate—this time from The Churn, a spinoff novella that serves as yet another origin story for resident Token Evil Teammate Amos Burton, or rather, the original Amos Burton.

Who is he? The real Amos Burton was once one of countless street children living in the Wretched Hive that Baltimore has become—a small and thin boy growing up surrounded by illicit dealings and poverty, Burton adapted to this harsh upbringing and slowly rose through the ranks of the criminal underworld, eventually becoming the tyrannical ruler of his own "little kingdom" within Baltimore and also something of a Distaff Counterpart to the the evil headmistress from Origins.

Believing himself to be the literal owner of these "disposable lives", Burton is involved in a variety of crimes, ranging from drug dealing and gunrunning to prostitution and even pedophilia—Timmy is the bastard child of one of his prostitutes and, seeing the boy as nothing but "second-generation property", Timmy was "turned out" by one of Burton's lieutenants. Additionally, one of his brothels had been hit by an outbreak of antibiotic-resistant syphilis, a five-year-old had it in his eyes. A Bad Boss to his own subordinates, Burton is willing to sacrifice anyone at any moment and brutally "punish" those who dare to go against his wishes.

It became an unspoken rule among his lieutenants that it was wiser to throw their own underlings under the bus rather than betray Burton. When Star Helix Security, a famous Earthern PMC, orchestrates a massive crackdown on criminal activity within the confines of Baltimore, Burton is all too happy to save himself while leaving others to either die or get caught by the police, knowing very well that none of them would have the courage to sell him out. When Burton is informed that Erich—the best friend of Timmy, by now one of Burton's enforcers—had become a liability to him, Burton orders Timmy to brutally murder his friend. Timmy refuses and tries to save Erich by going after Burton himself, a massive fight ensues...

Timmy ultimately manages to kill Burton and disposes of his body, and as a reward for having saved his life, Erich thanks Timmy by presenting him with Burton's identity—Burton was fond of using Erich's skills at identity hacking to keep his record clean—giving Timmy a chance to find a new life away from the chaos of Baltimore and into space.

Mitigating Factors? Nope! Burton certainly had a bad childhood but the novella makes it clear to us that this counts as an example of Freudian Excuse Is No Excuse.

Heinous? Normally a crime boss wouldn't have a chance in an universe where war crimes and massacres are the norm, it's the "children are also my property" part that finally pushes him over the edge. Burton is a disgusting scumbag who does his best to keep the lives of the people of Baltimore as miserable as possible.

Conclusion? Leaning

Edited by TheMadCr0w on Sep 25th 2022 at 9:13:45 AM

to Amos Burton

Yes to the Question and to Burton.

My free time is gonna be a little wanting these next few days so I want to get two effortposts up. I'll wait on the latter so people can vote on the recent candidates, but that one's gonna be a surprise Hayao Miyazaki qualifier. Before then...

I want a Michael Wincott and this was the only place I could find one. And this also doubles as my Ridley Scott. This comes from 1492: Conquest of Paradise, a hunk of historical propaganda whitewashing Christopher Columbus (one of the most famous Italians ever played by...uh, the overwhelmingly French Gérard Depardieu). All the genocidal misery the natives went through is shifted over to one guy: Adrián de Moxica, played by Wincott.

What has Adrián de Moxica done?

A historical figure adapted with all the subtlety of Disney's Ratcliffe—the dude's clothes are even chroma-colored all black so you know he's the villain compared to the good conquistadors—Adrián de Moxica is Columbus' commanding officer during his second voyage to the Americas. And he's a bloodthirsty son of a bitch who immediately starts calling for the extermination of the native tribes the second he has pretext.

Columbus reins him in and over the next four years Moxica decides to rule instead of slaughter. He forces the natives to slave away by the hundreds to find gold, and when one of them returns without any, Moxica hacks off the native's hand with a sword in an act of gratuitous brutality.

Moxica's disloyalty provokes even more fighting and death, partly due to reprisal attacks caused by the vengeful natives, and more by Columbus' own mutinying men, whom Moxica leads in an attempt to kill Columbus after he's unsatisfied with what he's attained from the natives. Moxica fails this, but commits suicide, spitefully insulting Columbus to his last breath.

Any mitigating factors?

Fuck-all, really. He speaks positively of the men killed by the natives, but it becomes incredibly clear he's using revenge for their deaths as a pretext for his own genocidal sadism. He doesn't actually care about avenging them, or even finding the culprits; when Columbus asks which of the tribes Moxica will wipe out in revenge, Moxica admits it doesn't even matter which tribe.

And while there's cruelty on part of both the natives themselves and the Spanish Inquisition (who burn people alive in public spectacles) Moxica is deliberately positioned as the least sympathetic character in the film. This film is a fantastic piece of garbage for attempting to portray Columbus the way it is, but that's not the point of this discussion; by shifting all of the historical atrocities to Moxica and dressing him up like a Disney villain, he keeps.

Conclusion?

Keeper.

Edited by Scraggle on Sep 25th 2022 at 5:35:52 AM

Leaning yes to Timmy, but I admit I have concerns about the standard. For his tier maybe, but Strickland and the Orphanage headmistress hurt children, and seem worse.

Adrian

"Timmy" is his former enforcer and the real identity of the false "Amos Burton", and don't worry, the Headmistress only exists in the TV adaptation canon— this leaves us with Strickland, who's part of a literal Corporate Conspiracy.

The novella is part of the Literature canon, the heinous standard is preeetty much the same as in the TV show. To answer your question, Lit!Strickland is quite frankly identical to his counterpart.

Edited by TheMadCr0w on Sep 25th 2022 at 8:45:51 AM

Wait, is the novella in the TV continuity or the original Lit continuity? That may affect my voting. (And why doesn't Lit!Strickland count?).

EDIT: Hmm, if the Headmistress isn't in that continuity, I'll lean yes more.

Also...sigh, I'm formally abstaining on Moxica, just because of the whole Politically Correct History thing.

Edited by ACW on Sep 25th 2022 at 7:42:25 AM

Yea to the aforementioned three. I've seen 1492 and can confirmed Moxica counts, despite the issues with historical hero upgrades.

Amos and Adrian

Adrian, Amos, Question

Any more takers for the Image Pickin?

@Ravok Oh he's a goldmine for expressions in that show and for some reason Youtube keeps recommending me them.

You know, we have 7 now, spread over the media, so a page might not be a bad idea. In which case, we may wanna change what we do with Strickland, if he appeared first in the books.

Marco, Nguyen and Strickland all appeared in the books first... I dunno, I'm okay with leaving him where he is, at least for now.

Edited by TheMadCr0w on Sep 25th 2022 at 8:58:28 AM

to Timmy and *sighs deeply* Moxica

to Adrián de Moxica

Now onto my next candidate.

Genesis is a Crisis Crossover between Malibu's other properties Ex-Mutants, Protectors, and Dinosaurs-For-Hire. Through this, Ex-Mutants became part of the Protector's universe (apparently the verse is dubbed as "Genesis Universe" from research). The main bad guy, Extreme sought to conquer other dimensions, as he absorbs the energy of each one and gain more power for himself. Now let's get to him.

Who Is Extreme?

The main antagonist of the Genesis crossover, a Multiversal Conqueror who started out as a slave displayed as a freak. But after killing his captors, he meets a man named Speck (not that Speck ) who gave him a device capable of traveling to other dimensions. So he conquer other dimensions, using his power to wipe out cities and reducing worlds to ashes. Any who survive, are made slaves for his empire.

He makes his introduction, conquering a world and killing its king, and decided to go to the Ex-Mutant universe, where he offers a No-Holds-Barred Beatdown to the main protagonists and nearly killed them. He would murder one of his minions for disobeying his orders and moves on to invade the Protector's universe. During his battle with the Protectors, the battle ends up destroying all of Los Angeles killing millions of people: For which Extreme holds no care for, only gleeful how he absorbs the energies of Earth.

As the battle continues, he brags how once he finish with the heroes he'll reduce the Earth into nothing but ashes. However, Ex-Mutant cast member Shannon now empowered (Makes Sense In Context) came to the rescue and the two engages in battle. Extreme is defeated and the heroes uses Speck's teleportation device to put Extreme in a different dimension never to be seen again.

Mitigating Factors

Extreme mentioned his dad use to beat him a lot, and when he grew tired of him he sold him to slavery where Extreme is displayed as a freak, that is until he decided to use his powers to destroy his abusers and become a conqueror. This is not portrayed as sympathetic nor was he trying to justify himself when he tells us his backstory, instead he talks about he how he realized how he wasn't a weakling but a powerful being and decided he should be a conqueror, he doesn't focus on how much he suffered but how he became stronger than before. It doesn't even excuse his actions either: he pretty much became worse than his abusers, he became a mass murdering conqueror and slaver of countless beings. So yeah, don't think backstory is an issue there personally.

Also no care for his troops obviously, he only use Speck as a means to travel to other dimensions to conquer and is a Bad Boss who's willing to kill his troops if they disobey a simple order.

Heinous Standards

Not an issue, he has conquered worlds by destroying cities, reducing entire worlds to piles of rubble and ashes while enslaving those who survives planning to do the same thing to Earth as well as destroying Los Angeles during his battle with the heroes. Well over the heinous standards, and we also get to see this onscreen in later issues of Protectors.

Final Verdict

I'll give a yes to him, I don't think his backstory is an issue nor remotely excusable nor does the narrative gives him sympathy (he himself doesn't try to use it as an excuse for what he has done). I'll leave it up to you though.

Edited by Powermaster201 on Sep 25th 2022 at 8:33:08 AM

Extreme

Adrián de Moxica

The Great Question

Edited by KazuyaProta on Sep 25th 2022 at 7:43:12 AM

Extreme

I'm gonna ask for your consensus here guys but would anyone object to me having a stab at rewriting Savanti Romero from the Mirage Comics? He's pushing 280, even overtaking Ch'Rell's writeup (257) and it contains a fair few segments about just the plot and not his deeds.

Edited by WetFlannels on Sep 25th 2022 at 1:47:09 PM

• The Expanse:
  • Marco Inaros, from Nemesis Games and Babylon's Ashes, is the commander of the Free Navy. In the past, Marco tricked his girlfriend, Naomi, into helping him sabotage ships' magnetic bottles, allowing him to destroy any ship he wants without any sign of foul play. When Naomi protested this, Marco forbade her from seeing their son, Filip, and brainwashed him into obeying his orders. Marco uses Filip to help carry out an asteroid bombardment of Earth that kills 15 billion people. While Marco claims to be fighting for his fellow Belters, he nearly destroys a large chunk of Tycho Station just to kill Holden for dating Naomi and cripples Ceres Station through looting just to slow down his enemies. Marco justifies his crimes against the Belters by claiming that they weren't "true Belters", but it quickly becomes apparent that Marco defines true Belters as only those who are personally loyal to him.
  • The Churn prequel novella: The real Amos Burton rose from humble beginnings and established himself as a feared Baltimore crime boss. Believing himself to be the tyrannical ruler of up to a thousand "disposable lives"—including junkies, prostitutes and children—Burton dabbles in drug dealing, gunrunning and even pedophilia, owning a brothel where an outbreak of syphilis infected a five-year-old boy. A cruel Bad Boss, Burton is happy to sacrifice his subordinates whenever they become a liability to him.

Edited by TheMadCr0w on Sep 25th 2022 at 1:06:28 PM

Sure, now let's kill the effortposts for a while, please.

Also, MINOR thing. The Sword and the Sorcerer? I effortposted, successfully King Cromwell long ago. Something I missed? His full name is Titus Cromwell

Found this in Vorkosigan Saga:

• Ges Vorrutyer gets about twenty pages of screen time, and is still a memorable skin-crawler. His creepy obsession with tormenting and torturing his ex-boyfriend Aral takes him from "academically interested in watching a psychologically destroyed Bothari raping Cordelia Naismith on his say-so" to "willing and eager to do the deed himself" in a way that leaves even the normally very calm and balanced Cordelia absolutely terrified. According to Aral, Ges broke Bothari in the first place, and did it twice: once before Bothari arrived at the Leper Colony, and again after only a few scant months when Bothari was reassigned. He was also instrumental in helping Prince Serg become The Caligula, though Aral also notes Serg was a quick study and surpassing Ges.

Wait I thought we all agreed that Amos wasn't really evil just misun... oh wait we're talking about the original Amos. to that guy

to The Question and Extreme as well

Question, X-Treme, & Adrian (closest thing to a Columbus CM)

to James Sheridan, the shaman, viceroy, the question, and extreme

Keep westcott

newtrailzer

as for kavaxas, yeah I agree to cut him, because for his very high tier, he is outheinous by villains with less resources than him. Cut Derek lucks as well.

Edited by Luigigalaxy on Sep 25th 2022 at 7:54:28 AM

Anyone doing the fan fic A Blight in Bonesborough? It was just completed earlier today and I would be happy to do some write-ups in two weeks about who I think could be some keepers, but I want to make sure nobody is doing it first.

All yours.

The fic is all yours, no one seems to claim it for them to do.