To-do list:
- Move examples that aren't from video games to Enchanted Forest. Examples of video game areas can stay under The Lost Woods. Namespaces that have been cleaned are listed in Sandbox.The Lost Woods Wick Cleaning.
The Lost Woods has some problems right now, a big one is that it's meant to refer to creepy Enchanted forests in general, but its name and the long paragraph about how it is portrayed in video games leads to it being used as a level trope (think Green Hill Zone or Jungle Japes, the latter of which even indirectly calls The Lost Woods a level trope). This means that the trope is basically split between two definitions, its more general definition, and a game specific one, these stats are shown in The Lost Woods Wick Check. The stats go as follows.
Correct use: Non-Videogame 13/50: 26%
Correct use: Videogame 4/50: 8%
Misuse: Referred to as a Level Trope 9/50: 18%
ZCE 17/50: 34%
Unclear/Pothole 7/50: 14%
So while outside of video games, it tends to get correct use when given context, but video games use it primarily as a level trope.
My proposed crowners/solutions (non-mutually exclusive)
- Split off currently acceptable examples as per the general definition to a new trope (Enchanted Forest, maybe)
- Keep the current name around as a level trope and keep game level examples there.
Although, before I finish, I want to point out another thing. A significant portion (8/17) of the ZCEs are video-game level based ones, this may hint to a larger problem with level tropes overall as being ZCE magnets, it's beyond the scope of this thread to fix that and more checks will be needed of the other level tropes, but keep that in mind when voting on the second crowner and for any future TRS threads.
Edited by GastonRabbit on May 17th 2022 at 8:06:56 AM
The Unknown
Added a point about the potential existence of the level being designed around warping outside of punishment for failing to follow the path. I remember that coming up in a couple games.
If a tree falls in the forest and nobody remembers it, who else will you have ice cream with?
Amateur Veteran
^Undid you edit entirely by mistake, my apologies and fixed.
Anyway. I fiddled a bit with the Enchanted Forest section, and ported over examples. I elected to leave out ZCEs and what I felt where actually examples of Don't Go in the Woods rather than this. I also only moved in a few video game examples, since a) many aren't examples of Mystical Forest, and b) for the rest, I only knew enough about a few to shift them from "video game forest level" to "ancient magical forest".
I have some questions concerning these parts of the description:
If Enchanted Forest is supposed to focus on the concept of magical, mystical and otherworldly forests, should this be kept? It seems to me that it might lead to confusing this trope with Don't Go in the Woods — i.e., forests and woodlands as more generally spooky and dangerous, without any overt otherworldly or enchanted aspects.
Also, I didn't yet move in the real life folder, because I wanted to talk that one over a bit first. On the one hand, literally magical forests don't exist in real life by definition. On the other hand:
- Superstitions and urban legends do claim such things exist;
- If "wild, primeval and ominous but not literally enchanted" forests can be considered a valid downplayed variant, then real-life examples do exist, and
- It might still be worth talking about real-life origins of this motif.
Thoughts?
Edited by Theriocephalus on May 5th 2022 at 12:51:41 PM
the Retromancer
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Remove the two paragraphs mentioned. Anything that is spooky and not magical is Don't Go in the Woods, unless a legend makes it magical. (PlayingWith.Dont Go In The Woods would need its links changed).
Edited by Amonimus on May 5th 2022 at 8:55:48 PM
TroperWall / WikiMagic Cleanup
(she/her)
Enchanted Forest's don't have to be dangerous so I am fine with removing that part of the description.
I am just getting getting "dangerous forest" from the RL examples so I don't think they should be moved over.
Macron's notes
Amateur Veteran
^At least some examples seem to focus more on the "vast, primeval and trackless" angle, which is why I brought this up.
That said, there are specifically two examples I'm personally in favor of keeping — Aokigahara, which is supposed to be haunted, and the Hercynian Forest, which Roman historians filled with all sorts of bizarre things — but since strictly speaking one is folklore and the other a collection of legends and hearsay I think that we could also move them to the Fairy Tales folder and just rename that "Folklore and Legends" or something.
Edited by Theriocephalus on May 5th 2022 at 1:08:46 PM
Big Catch, Sparkle Edition
Edited the sandbox just to pothole Unnaturally Looping Location for the "warps you to the entrance" part.
Currently Working On: Incorruptible Pure Pureness
(she/her)
^^ Yeah. I think we can move those examples to a Folklore and Legends folder.
Macron's notes
The Unknown
Added another sentence to the description in the sandbox about following instructions or figuring out the trick required to traverse.
Edited by Karxrida on May 6th 2022 at 10:19:54 AM
If a tree falls in the forest and nobody remembers it, who else will you have ice cream with?
Amateur Veteran
Added a paragraph about the likely origins of the Mystical Forest trope, moved examples of folklore and legends about real-life forests to the Folklore & Legends folder.
Edited by Theriocephalus on May 6th 2022 at 12:15:11 PM
(she/her)
I think the sandbox looks good. Is there anything else to do before we do the swaps?
Macron's notes
Officially intimidated
It looks amazing! It has my support. ![[tup]](https://static.tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pub/images/Thumbs_up_emoticon_3268.png "[thumb up]"){kind=small}
Amateur Veteran
I think the only thing left is an image for Enchanted Forest, but we can probably do that through Image Pickin'.
The current quote on the main page should go to Enchanted Forest.
(she/her)
I did the swap. I updated The Lost Woods, created Enchanted Forest, and moved the former's quote to the latter. I'll do some crosswicking when I wake up.
I also made The Lost Woods Wick Cleaning
Edited by MacronNotes on May 12th 2022 at 2:11:38 PM
Macron's notes
Officially intimidated
Great work! ![[awesome]](https://static.tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pub/images/minis/award_star_gold_3.png "[awesome]"){kind=small}
Sounds good on paper (he/him)
I moved the text of Laconic.The Lost Woods to Laconic.Enchanted Forest because it fits the latter better, and I redid the former to note that it's for video game settings.
Patiently awaiting the release of Paper Luigi and the Marvelous Compass.
Amateur Veteran
Worked through The Lost Woods' wicks down through the B's.
EDIT: Down through the P's.
Edited by Theriocephalus on May 15th 2022 at 6:33:18 AM
Sounds good on paper (he/him)
I added a to-do list to the opening post and pinned it. The OP's original contents have been moved to a folder.
Patiently awaiting the release of Paper Luigi and the Marvelous Compass.
Sounds good on paper (he/him)
I updated Sandbox.The Lost Woods Wick Cleaning to match your post. I'll also add a link to it to the opening post.
The Unknown
Does changing the Laconic fall under TRS jurisdiction at all? Cause Laconic.The Lost Woods probably needs a rewrite, too.
If a tree falls in the forest and nobody remembers it, who else will you have ice cream with?
(she/her)
Since we have a cleanup thread
for laconic subpages, you can bring the page up there.
Edited by MacronNotes on May 20th 2022 at 8:11:01 AM
Macron's notes
Amateur Veteran
Worked some of the way through the Lost Woods redirect; sorted everything down to, but not including, the Literature namespace.
Sounds good on paper (he/him)
I tweaked the Laconic. Is it any better?
Patiently awaiting the release of Paper Luigi and the Marvelous Compass.
Officially intimidated
Looks fine for me. 
Besides Enchanted Forest, there's also Don't Go in the Woods to be considered as a potential replacement.
Crown Description:
Consensus was to split non-video game examples of The Lost Woods into a new trope. What should the new trope's name be?
Expanded on the Lost Woods description a bit to go in a bit more detail on common enemies and on how these levels are usually set up to make pathfinding difficult.
EDIT: Sorting games by genre. This may take a bit.
EDIT 2: Sorting done.
Edited by Theriocephalus on May 4th 2022 at 9:04:43 AM