Tropes Needing TRS cleanup and discussion thread

You don't need to know what the square root of something is to google for it :P (but basically it's the opposite of squaring something; it's the number that, when multiplied by itself, gives you the original number. For instance, 2 is the square root of 4, and 5 is the square root of 25.)

But yeah, I literally just type "square root of (number)" into google and if it's more than 50 I use the number it gives me.

Edited by WarJay77 on Jul 28th 2022 at 2:19:27 PM

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Perhaps one day I will try. As soon as I can stop my brain from shutting down the moment I see multiple numbers in a row.

Trust no one.

Lol, fair I guess.

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~The Mayor of Simpleton: I personally don't think Inflating Body Gag and Balloon Belly are similar enough to merge as they happen in different contexts (the former has the entire body inflate like a balloon in a cartoony fashion, while the latter is specifically about a visual cue for when a character has eaten a lot of food). You can do a wick check but I doubt you'll prove enough overlap to warrant a merge.

Everything else seems valid.

I do some cleanup and then I enjoy shows you probably think are cringe.

Thanks Mew. I'll remove that.

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Been thinking about Padding and Fake Longevity having overlap issues. They seem to cover the same basic concept, except FL is just padding in video games specifically. There's also the odd problem of Padding being YMMV while Fake Longevity isn't YMMV despite the latter being a subtrope of the former.

Edited by Karxrida on Jul 28th 2022 at 8:00:25 AM

If a tree falls in the forest and nobody remembers it, who else will you have ice cream with?

I agree, especially given the extremely long bulleted list of things it says can qualify, which is way too inclusive, not to mention most of them have their own tropes anyway.

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Motion to remove Marathon Boss from the TRS queue. The alleged issue is overlap with Sequential Boss and Damage-Sponge Boss. I don't agree with this.

• A Sequential Boss is not necessarily long. A two-phase fight, for instance, is not a marathon if each phase only takes a minute to beat. Therefore, not redundant.
• Damage-Sponge Boss is suffering from Trope Decay. People seem to think it just means "boss with a lot of health", but there's more to it than that. It specifically refers to a very basic boss fight that is little more than a war of attrition, with little strategy beyond "hit it until it dies". The description even mentions that it's essentially the antithesis of a Puzzle Boss. Since complexity (or lack thereof) does not factor into Marathon Boss at all, it is not redundant with Damage-Sponge Boss either.

If anything, Damage-Sponge Boss is the trope that needs TRS, not Marathon Boss. While a wick check would be needed, I've already seen the aforementioned Trope Decay in action (e.g. it's used all over the Pokémon pages to refer to any mon with a high HP stat), so it's clear to me that DSB is the broken trope here.

Edited by MyTimingIsOff on Aug 8th 2022 at 2:25:00 PM

You mean Administrivia.Tropes Needing TRS? Because Sandbox.TRS Queue is entirely different.

Anyway I don't know enough to say if it should go or not.

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It's on both pages, so I'm motioning to remove it from both of them.

I don't think we can discuss the queue here, try the TRS meta thread?

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I don't see why; obviously if a trope is determined to not need TRS then it shouldn't be on the queue either.

Anyway, this is starting to get sidetracked; my point is that Marathon Boss does not need TRS.

Edited by MyTimingIsOff on Aug 8th 2022 at 2:41:05 PM

Items in the TRS queue are being sponsored there, though. Should probably at least discuss it with the sponsor, ~Spark 9. (though they haven't edited or posted since april.)

To be fair, that one is also in the "needs a wick check" section and even when they were on they basically abandoned it. At this point I wouldn't mind removing it on principal since we can't just hold out forever.

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Jay, you mentioned on this thread you had a draft covering "finding corpse as inciting incident to plot". Can you link it (or is it launched?)? I think that could speed up proceedings when Start to Corpse gets a TRS thread.

Oh, it's not launched, I pretty much put it UFG immediately. Here it is.

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X3 tagged in the TRS Meta-Thread for reactions there.

The description of Grandfather Clause pretty clearly describes works using outdated tropes getting a pass from the audience because their usage predates the collective decision that the tropes are no longer good... the real life examples show that there's definitely some willingness to ignore this in favor of the term's preexisting meaning (we'll have to wick check to see how bad it really is) and in any case it feels like it should be tagged as YMMV...

Trouble Cube continues to be a general-purpose forum for those who desire such a thing.

Huh... Yeah, that's a weird way to define the term...

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It also gets some misuse for examples that are not Long-Runners, as if an inverted Seinfeld Is Unfunny.

Okay so kind of a weird situation.

I was thinking about going to TLP to draft up a trope called Friendly Boss Battle, where video games provide boss fights against friendly characters purely for fun and usually without much consequence.

To my surprise, not only does this seem to be covered by Fighting Your Friend, but this is basically the purpose of FYF. It's basically a video game trope about boss fights against friends based on the description. Before actually reading the page, I was under the impression that FYF was "conflict forces two or more friends to fight each other" (think Yugi and Joey near the end of Duelist Kingdom in Yu-Gi-Oh!) in a more general sense. While this is covered by the description to a degree, it's largely focused on the boss fight aspect and doesn't really talk about it as a narrative device.

A wick check is definitely needed, but as most of the on-page examples are from other mediums I believe some wires are being crossed.

Edited by Karxrida on Aug 21st 2022 at 12:09:40 PM

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I'm amazed Friendly Fight is not anything, actually.

We have Friendly War, Rivalry, and Enemy...

Is being a Boss Battle significant somehow, btw?

Edited by Malady on Aug 21st 2022 at 6:56:51 AM

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I don't know if it's significant enough to warrant a split, but I do think there's sort of an expectation that a boss battle will actually represent a narrative obstacle that you don't quite have with characters in a show having a friendly sparring match or what.

(FWIW, I 100 percent thought Fighting Your Friend was the same thing Karxrida assumed and have only ever seen it used that way, and never for legitimately friendly fights, video game or otherwise.)

Edited by nrjxll on Aug 21st 2022 at 9:10:50 AM

Well, Laconic.Fighting Your Friend is vague, so it could be forced or voluntary?

"Circumstances lead to The Hero having to battle against an ally."

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I previously added Self-Imposed Challenge. Why was it removed?

Should the sandbox link be removed from the OP since it was cut?

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