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Amonimus the Retromancer from <<|Image Pickin'|>> Relationship Status: In another castle
the Retromancer
Oct 26th 2021 at 9:31:15 AM

Continuing from this ATT, it was decided by the Mod that articles with the description ending with redirects to Wikipedia or IMDB are unnecessary and should be removed. We're not obliged to provide "further reading" links for biographies, users can look up the person on #1 wiki site themselves by spending 3 seconds and the pages could be improved by having the necessary info themselves.

What to remove:

  • "As usual, you can find the basics on The Other Wiki"
  • "The Other Wiki has a more extensive article"
  • "You can read more on Wikipedia"
  • "For more detailed information on his life and careernote see The Other Wiki's article"
  • etc

Where to look:

Edited by Amonimus on Oct 26th 2021 at 7:54:48 PM

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Hello83433 Relationship Status: Complex: I'm real, they are imaginary
Oct 26th 2021 at 11:35:55 AM

Reiterating here that, on the Professional Wrestling page, I went through and cleared wrestlers up to Glacier.

CSP Cleanup Thread | No matter where I roam tonight I'm chasing history
Oct 26th 2021 at 1:16:59 PM

[up] Finished to the K names.

Matt Hardy had over a thousand words of description and that Wikipedia blurb tacked on at the end.

Edited by Tabs on Oct 26th 2021 at 4:44:54 AM

N1KF Relationship Status: In Lesbians with you
Oct 31st 2021 at 1:31:14 AM

Would it be appropriate to remove the links in Useful Notes pages also?

Unicorndance Logic Girl from Thames, N.Z. Relationship Status: Above such petty unnecessities
Logic Girl
Oct 31st 2021 at 1:50:14 PM

I hope I don't sound rude, but why is it prohibited just for being "unnecessary"? Just because you don't need something doesn't mean there's anything wrong with it?

For every low there is a high.
Amonimus the Retromancer from <<|Image Pickin'|>> Relationship Status: In another castle
the Retromancer
Oct 31st 2021 at 1:57:43 PM

[up] Quoting the mod,

  • As for the Wikipedia links... one of the basic principles of operating a wiki is that you should not send people to other wikis. The more page views we get, the more ad revenue we get, the more engagement it drives in our rankings, etc. Sending people off to Wikipedia defeats that purpose.
  • Secondarily, if anyone hasn't heard of Wikipedia by now or doesn't know that they can look up there, it's not our job to tell them. The "why don't we link every page to Wikipedia" counterargument may be a strawman, but it's not that much of a strawman. It's actually quite valid, in fact.
  • Thirdly, Wikipedia is a tertiary source, and bibliographical rules say one should preferentially link to primary or secondary sources. In the case of our media articles, a primary source might be the original of a written work (like a fanfic) or a creator's YouTube channel. We don't put tertiary sources (or secondary sources) in article descriptions.

TroperWall / WikiMagic Cleanup
NonexistentYeets The Enforcer from Nightcored Realm Relationship Status: Getting away with murder
The Enforcer
Oct 31st 2021 at 1:58:54 PM

What about the fact that we've got a whole index of tropes that also have Wikipedia pages? What do we do about that?

they/them pronouns. draggianuniverse.neocities.org
WarJay77 Words Written: 46,113 /50,000 from The Void Relationship Status: Armed with the Power of Love
Words Written: 46,113 /50,000
Oct 31st 2021 at 2:03:01 PM

That's just a fun index, not a redirection.

Current Project: Uncanny Valley
AHauntedMind from Manchester
Nov 1st 2021 at 6:39:25 PM

Ohhhh finally we're cleaning these up! Far too many music pages have these worthless links to The Other Wiki; I always delete them...

N1KF Relationship Status: In Lesbians with you
Nov 1st 2021 at 10:37:37 PM

Should referral links to other websites like IMDb and Anime News Network be removed too?

Edited by N1KF on Nov 1st 2021 at 1:12:53 PM

Nov 1st 2021 at 11:15:42 PM

[up][up] Glad you are ahead of us!

[up] Yes.

Professional Wrestling done down to CM Punk.

Edited by Tabs on Nov 1st 2021 at 11:16:16 AM

Hello83433 Relationship Status: Complex: I'm real, they are imaginary
Nov 3rd 2021 at 12:37:38 PM

[tup] Thanks, Professional Wrestling is done for most folders, although the Tag Teams and PPV folders still need to be checked.

Also removed an instance from Toblerone

Edited by Hello83433 on Nov 4th 2021 at 9:10:20 AM

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alnair20aug93 🧡 orange 🧡 from Furrypines Relationship Status: Chocolate!
🧡 orange 🧡
Nov 4th 2021 at 3:41:05 AM

Removing the instance at Zero-G Spot. Will refer to this thread.

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mightymewtron Semi-active, stan Leela from New New York Relationship Status: THIS CONCEPT OF 'WUV' CONFUSES AND INFURIATES US!
Semi-active, stan Leela
Nov 4th 2021 at 9:14:53 PM

I don't quite get why we'd need to remove every single Wikipedia link and not just the pointless "Read more here!" things. Sometimes it's just helpful to provide a longer list when it'd get overly long to do so in our own entry, like here, or direct users to a historical event or figure or something when we don't have a page on them here.

I guess we could just Google things ourselves though...

Edited by mightymewtron on Nov 4th 2021 at 12:15:34 PM

I do some cleanup and then I enjoy shows you probably think are cringe.
FernandoLemon Power Bomberman tester from Argentina Relationship Status: In season
Nov 17th 2021 at 6:29:20 AM

The Drowsy Chaperone has this one, which I've gone ahead and cut already. It's not only lazy, but also Linking to an Article Within the Article.

For a more detailed plot, see The Drowsy Chaperone's page on The Other Wiki.

Edited by FernandoLemon on Nov 17th 2021 at 11:30:46 AM

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Fighteer Lost in Space from The Time Vortex Relationship Status: TV Tropes ruined my love life
Lost in Space
Nov 17th 2021 at 9:28:46 AM

[up][up] Yes, that is the point. Also, we should always remove "referral" links; this is long-standing policy. We aren't getting paid for them, after all.

"It's Occam's Shuriken! If the answer is elusive, never rule out ninjas!"
N1KF Relationship Status: In Lesbians with you
Nov 17th 2021 at 1:39:27 PM

[up] Does that mean payment would be enough motive to advertise in the wiki itself? That idea makes me uncomfortable, and I hope the staff are not open to that.

Fighteer Lost in Space from The Time Vortex Relationship Status: TV Tropes ruined my love life
Lost in Space
Nov 18th 2021 at 6:18:14 PM

That would be a bridge to cross if and when we come to it. I have no reason to believe that we are planning anything like that, but if we should someday decide to add referral links, having existing commercial links could create issues. I'd rather keep the slate clean.

And besides, why shouldn't we get paid if people are using our site to advertise works? The door swings both ways.

"It's Occam's Shuriken! If the answer is elusive, never rule out ninjas!"
Hello83433 Relationship Status: Complex: I'm real, they are imaginary
Jan 7th 2022 at 5:36:09 PM

Since looking at the Image Pickin thread, I found this on the Tarot Cards page:

NOTE: Unless specified otherwise, all card imagery come from the Rider-Waite-Smith version, perhaps the best-known tarot deck. Spare a few extra minutes for the actual artist, Pamela "Pixie" Colman Smith.

The first part can stay, but should the second sentence be reworded and The Other Wiki link removed, or just remove the second sentence entirely (because it feels snippy)?

CSP Cleanup Thread | No matter where I roam tonight I'm chasing history
alnair20aug93 🧡 orange 🧡 from Furrypines Relationship Status: Chocolate!
🧡 orange 🧡
Feb 15th 2022 at 8:32:48 PM

Bumping this.

[up] Most likely. They can Google the name themselves.

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rjd1922 Image Pickin' regular from the United States Relationship Status: Love is for the living, Sal
Image Pickin' regular
Mar 12th 2022 at 1:24:52 AM

[up][up]I think that link is fine, and I agree with mewtron that we don't need to remove all links to Wikipedia; I think the one to the list of Google hoaxes was fine, since it's too many for us to list them all (at least without making a subpage for Google April Fools' Day hoaxes).

Keet cleanup
Fighteer Lost in Space from The Time Vortex Relationship Status: TV Tropes ruined my love life
Lost in Space
Mar 12th 2022 at 8:57:09 AM

To be clear, I don't mean we should automatically delete all links to Wikipedia. If we do not cover a particular topic at all, especially in the context of something like a Useful Notes article, giving people external references is fine.

What I object to is linking to a work's or creator's Wikipedia article (or IMDB page, Amazon store page, etc.) on our own article for the same topic. That's an absolute no-no.

As for the specific case cited above, it does seem excessive. Rather than link to Wikipedia, state the artist's name. If someone is that curious they can Google her.

Edited by Fighteer on Mar 12th 2022 at 11:58:08 AM

"It's Occam's Shuriken! If the answer is elusive, never rule out ninjas!"
Amonimus the Retromancer from <<|Image Pickin'|>> Relationship Status: In another castle
the Retromancer
Mar 12th 2022 at 9:19:30 AM

The point of this is not to delete all links, the point is to either replace links with an elaborate paragraph for TVT page or to be used as a citation. For example, articles that describe a real person and then encourage users to "read the rest elsewhere" feel half-assed and linking rarely serves a purpose that we seek.

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