Character-Specific Pages (CSPs) are created when individual characters have so many trope examples that they can't reasonably be included on a shared page.
The Administrivia Character-Specific Pages policy details the rules that apply to these pages. All Character-Specific Pages must also follow the basic How to Create a Character Page policy, as well as the wiki's more general policies about spoilers and examples.
This cleanup thread handles the following tasks:
- Reviewing and approving new CSP proposals. All new potential CSPs must be reviewed and, if necessary, cleaned up before they're created.
- Agreeing on page names for new CSPs.
- Ensuring that wicks are updated when a new CSP is created.
- Reviewing existing CSPs if there's a concern that they need cleanup, or if it's believed that the character may no longer qualify for a page.
- Merging existing CSPs into other character pages when necessary.
- Ensuring that wicks are updated when a CSP is removed/merged.
- Creating, updating and cutting redirects, as necessary, to reflect these splits and merges.
Crowners are not normally required but, where appropriate, can be used to formalise decisions on any of these points.
If a character no longer qualifies for a CSP, it's often more practical to turn the CSP into a redirect than to cut the page entirely. This keeps the page history visible to users, and also helps to steer offsite 'inbound' traffic (search engine results) to the right place. With that in mind, cut requests for CSPs may be declined and referred to this thread if they don't have a clear consensus.
Comments linking back to this thread can be added to CSPs when needed - e.g. to confirm their creation was approved, to warn tropers that a cleanup is in progress, or to note the date and outcome of a more recent review.
We also have some more general threads for character page help -
- Character Page Cleanup
: for trope misuse, zero-context examples, spoiler tagging issues etc.
- Are these character tropes?: for queries about whether particular tropes belong on a character page or on the work's page.
This is not a policy discussion thread, it's a cleanup thread — any requests for policy changes need to be raised in Wiki Talk.
Mod update 07 Mar 2024, reflecting new CSP policy, updated again 22 Mar 2024 to mention redirects for removed CSPs
- Other options must have been tried first, like splitting pages into further groups.
- The character's folder is cleaned up beforehand, fixing any Zero-Context Examples and Wall of Text entries and removing any outdated, misused, or non-character tropes.
- A character's folder is at least 6,000 words/40,000 characters (with spaces). Here is a byte counter.note
- The current character page bypasses technical limitations and requires a split up.
- A single character takes up the majority of a page or is disproportionately bigger than other folders.
Splitting a character into their own page is a major change and needs to be run by the community before it is enacted. Even if you believe a character meets these requirements, they should be run through this thread first. Having other tropers take a look can help spot issues you may not notice or believe to be issues.
Per How to Create a Character Page, character-specific pages should only include tropes that describe the character. These tropes should fall under Characterization Tropes or one of its related indexes, unless they're recurring character traits (distinctive things that the character does repeatedly). If you're unsure what counts as a character trope, you can ask the Are these Character Tropes? thread.
If you have concerns with a general character page, they have their own separate cleanup thread, as do the self-demonstrating character pages.
Edited by Mrph1 on Mar 22nd 2024 at 10:22:03 AM
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That's a valid reason to chat here. How big exactly though? Especially relative to the group page.
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Yeah this is exactly to bring it up. How big are they exactly? Because either way it needs seperated.
Also yeah the Death Note one is an easy merge.
Edited by Bullman on Jul 17th 2021 at 2:44:36 PM
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Woah, each folder is over 100,000 characters
Character Specific Page cleanup
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Okay that is fine to split.
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You got the all-clear
Edited by IkeaHan on Jul 17th 2021 at 1:27:00 AM
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uwu
I'm checking the word count of the other playable character folders in Honkai Impact 3rd to see who else could get their own page.
Himeko Murata: 4,582
Theresa Apocalypse: 6,921
Fu Hua: 11,960
Yae Sakura: 4,959
Kallen Kaslana: 3,681
Rozaliya and Liliya Olenyeva: 3,905
Seele Vollerei: 6,076
Rita Rossweiss: 6,374
Bianka "Durandal" Ataegina: 4,885
Fu Hua would definitely need her own page, and perhaps Theresa, Seele and Rita could get their own too.
Edited by Excessive-Menace on Jul 17th 2021 at 2:35:06 AM
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Okay yeah Fu Hua needs one. Theresa, Seele, and Rita can maybe wait.
Edited by Bullman on Jul 17th 2021 at 4:43:04 AM
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I didn't know this game was so popular lol
Character Specific Page cleanup
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DARLING in the FRANXX - Hiro（29,221 characters)
DARLING in the FRANXX - Zero Two (37,764 characters)
These two could probably share a page, right? (I've never watched this show)
DEVILMAN crybaby - Miki Makimura (12,281 characters)
DEVILMAN crybaby might need some cleanup
Cars - Lightning McQueen (31,699 characters)
Cars - Tow Mater (10,548 characters)
Cars - Cruz Ramirez (~10k characters)
Frozen - Kristoff (~31kcharacters)
- His base page: (~40k)
Kung Fu Panda – Master Tigress(~30kcharacters)
- Kung Fu Panda – The Jade Palace(~68kcharacters)
Date A Live(All under 6k words/40k characters):
Edited by IkeaHan on Jul 17th 2021 at 5:07:49 AM
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Merged Hiro and Zero Two to create DARLING in the FRANXX - Pilots Of Strelizia
Edited by IkeaHan on Jul 17th 2021 at 9:59:36 AM
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Deleted Miki Makimura and merged contents with the Humans page
Also merged Undefeated Bahamut Chronicle Lux Arcadia with the Main Characters page because the page has only 28,000 bytes
Edited by KhunRun on Jul 18th 2021 at 6:00:57 AM
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Yeah I don't feel that Kristoff shouldn't be given his own page in the first place. His entry is too small compared to the sisters or Hans. He should definitely be merged back into the Arendelle subpage
I checked Yozora's page from Kingdom Hearts III and he only reached 4k words/20k characters compared to the page he originated at 12k words/78k characters. He should be remerged back to the page
Edited by Loekman3 on Jul 18th 2021 at 8:41:33 PM
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MasterHero undid my merge of Undefeated Bahamut Chronicle Lux Arcadia (28,000 bytes) with Undefeated Bahamut Chronicle Main Characters. Sent a PM about the byte requirement decided on but they have not responded and I won't readd it to avoid an Edit War
Merged Just Add Magic Kelly Quinn, the biggest offender of the byte rule I've seen so far with only 4,024 bytes) with Just Add Magic Protectors
Did the same with Odd Squad Ms O, which was only at 9,091 bytes
Edited by KhunRun on Jul 18th 2021 at 7:23:28 AM
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Goku Black
Could we go over the Doctor Who pages. Some like Brigader seem quite short but I don't have a way to measure bytes or words so I'm curious what everyone says here.
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For bytes, I use https://mothereff.in/byte-counter. Just simply copy all the text in the page source then paste it there to get a count.
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Trying to find a way to merge these pages
I have next to no knowledge on this series though, so maybe someone else is more qualified to do this?
Professor Gigachad
I checked the Miraculous Ladybug character specific pages and all are big enough.
CM Sandboxes, MB Sandboxes
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All the Revolutionary Girl Utena Character-Specific Pages don't meet the 40,000 byte requirement, with none being over 30,000
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Done
Edited by KhunRun on Jul 19th 2021 at 11:17:18 AM
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Then they can probably be combined
Captain Cryptic
The contents of Undertale Toriel and Undertale Alphys have been merged into Undertale - Main Characters and are being sent to the cutlist. Preparing to do the same with the other two pages highlighted in Orbiting's post into Undertale - Spoiler Characters.
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The Toriel and Alphys pages have some many inbound links I doubt they’ll get cut… turning them into redirects
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Deadpool: Wade Wilson is only 32,097 characters
Cars - Lightning McQueen is 31,234 and Cars - Tow Mater is 10,368, while the page they were split from (Cars - First Film) is 50,526.
Cars - Cruz Ramirez is 9,853 while the page it was split from (Cars - Third Film) is 25,906
This might not be the place to talk about this (with this thread being about cleaning up solo character pages that are too short), but all three folders in Honkai Impact3rd Playable Characters 1 are humongous and seems to be approaching the "Too Long" warning, so I think they need to be split into their own pages sooner or later.
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