Character-Specific Pages (CSPs) are created when individual characters have so many trope examples that they can't reasonably be included on a shared page.
The Administrivia Character-Specific Pages policy details the rules that apply to these pages. All Character-Specific Pages must also follow the basic How to Create a Character Page policy, as well as the wiki's more general policies about spoilers and examples.
This cleanup thread handles the following tasks:
- Reviewing and approving new CSP proposals. All new potential CSPs must be reviewed and, if necessary, cleaned up before they're created.
- Agreeing on page names for new CSPs.
- Ensuring that wicks are updated when a new CSP is created.
- Reviewing existing CSPs if there's a concern that they need cleanup, or if it's believed that the character may no longer qualify for a page.
- Merging existing CSPs into other character pages when necessary.
- Ensuring that wicks are updated when a CSP is removed/merged.
- Creating, updating and cutting redirects, as necessary, to reflect these splits and merges.
Crowners are not normally required but, where appropriate, can be used to formalise decisions on any of these points.
If a character no longer qualifies for a CSP, it's often more practical to turn the CSP into a redirect than to cut the page entirely. This keeps the page history visible to users, and also helps to steer offsite 'inbound' traffic (search engine results) to the right place. With that in mind, cut requests for CSPs may be declined and referred to this thread if they don't have a clear consensus.
Comments linking back to this thread can be added to CSPs when needed - e.g. to confirm their creation was approved, to warn tropers that a cleanup is in progress, or to note the date and outcome of a more recent review.
We also have some more general threads for character page help -
- Character Page Cleanup
: for trope misuse, zero-context examples, spoiler tagging issues etc.
- Are these character tropes?: for queries about whether particular tropes belong on a character page or on the work's page.
This is not a policy discussion thread, it's a cleanup thread — any requests for policy changes need to be raised in Wiki Talk.
Mod update 07 Mar 2024, reflecting new CSP policy, updated again 22 Mar 2024 to mention redirects for removed CSPs
- Other options must have been tried first, like splitting pages into further groups.
- The character's folder is cleaned up beforehand, fixing any Zero-Context Examples and Wall of Text entries and removing any outdated, misused, or non-character tropes.
- A character's folder is at least 6,000 words/40,000 characters (with spaces). Here is a byte counter.note
- The current character page bypasses technical limitations and requires a split up.
- A single character takes up the majority of a page or is disproportionately bigger than other folders.
Splitting a character into their own page is a major change and needs to be run by the community before it is enacted. Even if you believe a character meets these requirements, they should be run through this thread first. Having other tropers take a look can help spot issues you may not notice or believe to be issues.
Per How to Create a Character Page, character-specific pages should only include tropes that describe the character. These tropes should fall under Characterization Tropes or one of its related indexes, unless they're recurring character traits (distinctive things that the character does repeatedly). If you're unsure what counts as a character trope, you can ask the Are these Character Tropes? thread.
If you have concerns with a general character page, they have their own separate cleanup thread, as do the self-demonstrating character pages.
Edited by Mrph1 on Mar 22nd 2024 at 10:22:03 AM
There is a discussion in Wiki Talk directly related to the question of what to do with inanimate objects like Infinity Stones from the MCU. It was discussed in this thread earlier. If you have opinion on that, please reply here:
Inanimate Objects and Locations in Character Pages
We also might want to update the Character Specific Pages guidelines based on how the issue is resolved.
Upd: So far two mods seem to agree that these should be disallowed, and the related tropes should be moved elsewhere.
Edited by Asherinka on Aug 18th 2021 at 1:12:49 PM
Lies and Violence!
With her new variant from What If, Nebula might be long enough to get her own page at 40,930 bytes.
"Cool. Coolcoolcool."
I want to wait a bit before remaking it as there is supposed to be another version of her on there.
Edited by Bullman on Aug 21st 2021 at 1:18:06 PM
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If another version is Heist Nebula, she is already added to the Guardians page (see the separate folder).
- Main Nebula - 34 996 bytes
- Heist Nebula - 2 776 bytes
- Total - 37 772 bytes
Edited by Asherinka on Aug 21st 2021 at 11:54:20 AM
"Cool. Coolcoolcool."
If it's only 37,000 somewhat bytes then I don't think a page is needed yet.
Edited by Bullman on Aug 21st 2021 at 7:00:07 AM
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Lies and Violence!
What are you using to calculate? I got 40k from here, is it not a good site or am I just putting it in wrong? I usually just copy-and-paste the whole folders.
Edited by EmeraldEmperor on Aug 21st 2021 at 5:05:08 AM
"Cool. Coolcoolcool."
Wait what exactly is it? Let me try my way and see what I get.
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I copy text to MS Word and press Ctrl-Shift-G to display the statistics.
I copy paste everything starting from the header with the character name and up to the end of the last example related to them. I ignore the indexes and spoiler warnings on top of and in the bottom of the page.
Edited by Asherinka on Aug 21st 2021 at 7:59:12 PM
Characters.Evil Con Carne is divided into four subpages:
- Characters.Evil Con Carne ECC-14,540 bytes
- Characters.Evil Con Carne SPORK-3,663 bytes
- Characters.Evil Con Carne League Of Destruction-3,229 bytes
- Characters.Evil Con Carne Other-3,089 bytes
These can be combined into a single page.
Lies and Violence!
![[up]](https://static.tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pub/smiles/arrow_up.png "[up]"){kind=icon}
Do you copy-and-paste from the page as is, or from the page source? Only asking 'cause you mentioned indexes, which the latter doesn't have.
Do it.
Unofficial Wiki Curator for Complete Monster
I just open all folders, then select all and do a word count for an approximation.
BTW, guys, when merging, don't forget to change the character specific pages. Comic Books still has a lot of ones that were merged.
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Godzilla
On the subject of It (2017), Pennywise and the Loser’s Club both surpass the 40k limit, so should I split them?
SKREEEEEEEONK!
"Cool. Coolcoolcool."
I say you would be good to split there.
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Lies and Violence!
I would use the text from the page source. "This is a sentence" would only register at 18 bytes, where as "[[CaptainObvious This is a sentence]]" would be 37.
"Cool. Coolcoolcool."
Okay so I did a byte check on Nebula and here is what I got 40,887 bytes. Rather we make a page for her or not is up to you.
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@Emerald Emperor As is, I don't copy-paste page sources. People who read the pages see the end result, after all. Page sources also have indexes, at the top of the page. And they can be very, very long. Like this:
[[center:[-[[Characters/MarvelCinematicUniverse Main Character Index]] > Heroic Organizations > [[Characters/MCUAvengersAndAllies Avengers & Their Allies]] > '''Iron Man''' | [[Characters/MCUCaptainAmerica Captain America]] | [[Characters/MCUThor Thor]] | [[Characters/MCUTheHulk The Hulk]] | [[Characters/MCUBlackWidow Black Widow]] | [[Characters/MCUHawkeye Hawkeye]] | [[Characters/MCUWarMachine War Machine]] | [[Characters/MCUBuckyBarnes Bucky Barnes]] | [[Characters/MCUFalcon Falcon]] | [[Characters/MCUScarletWitch Scarlet Witch]] | [[Characters/MCUVision The Vision]] | [[Characters/MCUAntMan Ant-Man]] | [[Characters/MCUSpiderMan Spider-Man]] | [[Characters/MCUCaptainMarvel Captain Marvel]]-]]]
705 symbols.
Edited by Asherinka on Aug 22nd 2021 at 7:24:59 PM
Lies and Violence!
True, but the page source is the actual code that makes up the page. Even if readers don't see it, a longer code signifies more accurately when a page is getting too big.
Forgot about the top page indexes, sorry. I generally don't count those.
I don't mind any metric, but can we agree on one metric and specify it here: Character Specific Pages ?
Edited by Asherinka on Aug 23rd 2021 at 4:26:07 PM
Manga Brainrot 🦋
We've already discussed the different qualifiers, earlier in this thread, the old Wiki Talk thread, and on ATT. If you're asking that we only have one, though, I'd say the 40,000 byte rule... as I think the page size is by far the most important factor
Manga Brainrot 🦋
- Codex Equus Blazing Hoof (12,278 bytes)
- Codex Equus Forging Scales (15,884 bytes)
- Codex Equus Clear Voice (13,095 bytes)
- Codex Equus Bright Eyes (17,244 bytes)
- Codex Equus Death Shroud (9,294 bytes)
- Codex Equus Red Blade (34,318 bytes)
Merged the above
Worst offenders so far and extremely outdated pages. Merged
Edited by KhunRun on Aug 24th 2021 at 8:25:25 AM
she/her
Unofficial Wiki Curator for Complete Monster
Wonder Woman Circe is WELL below the limit.
So is Wonder Woman – Cheetah.
Come to think of it, ALL of the individual character pages are, except for Wonder Girl (which I'm inclined to give a pass) and Wonder Woman herself.
Edited by ACW on Aug 27th 2021 at 10:47:43 AM
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Goku Black
Cheetah could be kept since its a page for all incarnations.
"That's right mortal. By channeling my divine rage into power, I have forged a new instrument in which to destroy you."
Unofficial Wiki Curator for Complete Monster
Ah, in that case she's probably fine (same situation for Ares). The others though...
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Godzilla
MonsterVerse - King Ghidorah is in weird spot, Mechagodzilla is long enough for his own page, but he’s already on a Character-Specific Page, so should it be split?
SKREEEEEEEONK!
Should Amanda Waller be merged with Suicide Squad Comics?
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