Not Thriving: Hook Handed Pianist

Has existed since 2017, but there are only 9 wicks. That means Starving on Wick, so it's not performing well enough. I vote cut.

Opened.

I wonder if this should be sent to TLP, maybe with a broader scope? Or can this be covered by Handicapped Badass?

Edited by Berrenta on May 19th 2021 at 11:30:46 AM

The description even mentions that this concept is a lot broader, such as a "peg-legged dancer". So I wouldn't mind broadening the idea in TLP, since it does seem like an actual trope. Or we cut and yard the broader version if nobody wants to sponsor it.

Another thing to note is that with the broader scope being made more apparent, the concept itself can actually seem less fictional than the description lets on. I can think of examples from real life like a woman born with no arms who learned to pilot a plane and a pro Street Fighter player with arthrogryposis who plays with his mouth that could fit under the real life section and returning this to TLP will likely produce several fictional examples also.

Noting that I did a bit of crosswicking before this was launched so it’s now up to 15 wicks. (It wasn’t even linked on Hook Hand!)

But I support explicitly broadening to the more general “handicapped artist/musician/performer”. Hook Hand itself admits it is otw to being a Dead Horse Trope so I doubt we’ll find many more examples of Hook-Handed Pianist.

It will probably need to go to TLP for examples.

Yeah, I also agree with broadening it and sending it back to TLP for examples (maybe with a more indicative name, like "Disability-Talent Contrast"?)

Edited by idonom on May 20th 2021 at 7:42:32 AM

It sounds like the proposal is to expand this to Disabled Artist and become a supertrope to Deaf Composer.

That potential trope would make for some interesting Real Life examples actually, come to think.

Disabled Artist

Is there anyone who'd be willing to sponsor this? If I can think of a few new examples and a way to write the description, I might, but I'd prefer if someone else does.

I agree with that.

Bumping because this thread was pushed down the page and seems like an easy fix, since renaming to Disabled Artist, expanding the definition, and migrating the wicks wouldn't take long. Is it safe to make a crowner since it's been three days?

As a side note, Disabled Artist would be a supertrope to Blind Musician in addition to Deaf Composer. Someone mentioned that Disabled Artist would have interesting real life examples; Blind Musician has a list of real life examples and has a page image featuring a real life example (Ray Charles), though unfortunately most of them lack context (including the one for Ray Charles).

Edited by GastonRabbit on May 22nd 2021 at 11:00:00 AM

Artist With Disabilities would be a better name.

A more socially progressive name could be Differently Abled Artist.

Edited by Nen_desharu on May 22nd 2021 at 12:05:05 PM

Made a Single Prop crowner for the proposal to expand and rename.

It's unanimous and it's been three days. Call?

Made an Alt Titles crowner.

Personally, out of the current options, my favourite is Artist With Disabilities because it describes them as an artist first and the disability is second. Differently Abled Artist still has the problem of putting the disability before the person. They're a pianist with a hook, not a hook that happens to be attached to a pianist.

I would go with Artist With Disabilities as my first choice.

My only concern with the titles is that they're so broad as to imply any artist with any disability might count, regardless of if it'd actually affect their art or not. I don't want this to be boiled down so thin that it's just any artist with any disability, especially since that opens up the floodgates to chairs-y Real Life examples.

This specific trope, for example, isn't just "artist has disability" but "artist has disability that should impact their ability to perform."

Edited by WarJay77 on May 28th 2021 at 11:03:37 AM

I picked Disabled Artist, mainly because it sounds easier to say (at least to me).

Would Ironically Disabled Artist be more usefully specific?

(And FWIW, in my experience “disabled x” is actually preferred to “x with disabilities”)

Seconding Ironically Disabled Artist, since "Disabled Artist" does sound like an artist with any disability, and "Artist with Disabilities" sounds like an artist with multiple disabilities.

Can we add that one to the crowner?