Arthur Cleanup

Any advice on what I posted two posts above?

Edit: Oh shoot, pagetopper. So, any advice on what I posted on the previous page?

Edited by MisterToodleoo on Jul 23rd 2022 at 1:33:31 PM

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Well, I think the reference to D.W. opening the door on Arthur in the bathroom should go as it's not her being a brat on purpose, and the Karma Houdini pothole seems rather questionable too.

Oh boy D.W., I used to dislike her as a kid not because she acted like a 4 year old, but because she constantly harassed Arthur in some episodes, not ABH but episodes that literally exist (that I thought) to show DW at her worst. A rather infamous one among the Periphery Demographic being "DW blows the whistle" for example where she gets a whistle from a fire warden and literally uses it to annoy Arthur. There's also a few episodes that would have been solved had DW just told the teacher that her friend was passively aggressively bullying her, like DW Flips where the teacher even says she doesn't like show offs. Though I understand DW is literally just a 4 year old and I think the overhate of her and by extension Mr and Mrs Reed for "taking her side and putting up with her" is unwarranted. Same with Muffy and Francine who are the 8 year olds that get the most hate here.

Edited by Klavice on Aug 6th 2022 at 8:21:18 AM

In "DW Blows the Whistle", she was annoying her parents as well, and I think she was mainly being Innocently Insensitive.

For every low there is a high.

I found this entry in The Stool Pigeon:

• Arthur's Annoying Younger Sibling D.W. has shades of being an Obnoxious Olivia, such as with her infamous Wounded Gazelle Gambit in "Arthur's Big Hit". In the Distant Finale it's shown that she ended up becoming a police officer to boot.

While most of it is valid, the reference to Wounded Gazelle Gambit seems to imply that D.W. only faked being hurt, which has been said before to be borderline victim blaming.

Agreed, and it's low on context besides that.

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Wouldn't it be full on victim blaming since she got punched? Why borderline?

I think it is victim blaming. While Arthur had a right to be angry with DW, that doesn’t justify violence. It’s just so weird when adult fans hate children characters so much to psychopathic levels.

A few people on this wiki have thought that D.W. was faking it because there’s a moment of silence between the punch and the crying. But, as I read elsewhere here, that silence was a moment of shock for D.W..

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I found this on YMMV/Arthur S16 E9 - 'Fern and the Case of the Stolen Story' / 'Sue Ellen Vegges Out':

• Moral Event Horizon: At the pot luck, Muffy actively throws out a perfectly good vegetarian meal for the sake of tempting Francine into eating non-vegetarian food. Not only is she blatantly wasting good food and rendering Francine and Sue Ellen's hard work for nothing, but also depriving real vegetarians (like Sue Ellen) food they genuinely prefer. This is meant to drive home the sheer pettiness of Muffy and Francine's vegetarian feud.

This is the only entry on the YMMV page in question, and from what I've seen, this act does not mark a permanent change in Muffy's character.

(Given that I was previously suspended for bashing D.W., I really hope I don't get banned from this wiki just for posting here, but I feel this is something that needs to be brought to this thread's attention.)

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Muffy is a literal child. She can't be considered "irredeemable" for throwing away a single meal. What is wrong with people?

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Cutlisted the page.

Edited by SereneSpecter13 on Nov 5th 2022 at 1:32:34 PM

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I've noticed that Arthur: Younger Children does not appear on any Related subpages for tropes that it contains. What's up with that?

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Uh... because you don't crosswick characters pages? You crosswick the actual work page.

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I believe they mean that the page does not show up in the wicks of the tropes. For example, the wick list of Sustained Misunderstanding doesn't link to the page despite it being listed under Kate.

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Oh... Huh, that is weird.

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I am pretty sure it's that bug that messes up related to lists when a redlink that's 64+ characters long is added to an article. I see that there's a lot of red linked recaps on Arthur: Younger Children but I am too tired to figure out which one of the links is the one that's causing the problem.

Edited by MacronNotes on Nov 6th 2022 at 1:27:49 PM

Macron's notes

I've now removed the red links with 64+ characters, thus fixing the problem. I also realized I was the one who caused the problem in the first place since I was also the one who added those red links. I was not aware that such a bug existed here; if I had, I certainly wouldn't have added them. Sorry.

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Earlier these two examples were added to Like You Would Really Do It on the YMMV page:

• In "Attack of the Turbo Tibbles", D.W. gets injured by Timmy Tibble hitting her in the face with a swing, and it's all but said that her injury is life-threatening, as she has to go to the emergency room to get it treated. But of course, she gets better; there is no way the writers were going to just kill off the main character's sister.
• Certain dialogue cues in "Operation: D.W.!" suggest that the titular operation (a myringotomy) could potentially kill D.W.. While that is Truth in Television for surgical operations, it's crazy to think the writers would let the main character's sister actually die on the operating table, not to mention that it would be counterproductive to the episode's purpose of helping kids who are nervous about having surgery themselves. Sure enough, she survives the operation.

I'm not 100% sure about example two since I've never seen the episode in question (but the ear surgery D.W. received sort of reads as fairly minor compared to, say, a delicate brain operation, and nothing on the linked Wikipedia page seems to mention it being a particularly risky surgery in modern times), but for example one...a busted lip from a thrown swing is life-threatening? IIRC the only ones who were actually afraid that D.W. was dying were the Tibbles, and they're the same age as D.W.. Young kids' imaginations run wild like that.

"Lucian, don’t be afraid, we’ll make it through this."

I agree that D.W. probably wasn't dying in either example.

For every low there is a high.

Going to the emergency room doesn't necessarily mean your life is in danger at that moment, it just means you need urgent treatment before things get worse, especially if urgent care isn't enough.

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Yeah I remember that episode as a kid and I don't believe there was any indication D.W. would die.

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Since we seem to be in agreement that D.W. was not actually in danger of dying, I cut the two entries.

"Lucian, don’t be afraid, we’ll make it through this."

Checking out the transcript for "Operation: D.W.!" on the Arthur Wiki, the episode itself seems to be unable to decide how risky the myringotomy is. A doctor tells D.W. that "It's a pretty simple operation," but Arthur and Mr. Read tell her that "it's a big deal. And you're being really brave about it." and "It's okay to feel scared", respectively. Personally, I have a hard time interpreting the latter two as anything except "You have a very good reason to feel scared because the operation could kill you." Granted, Mr. Read does follow up with "Everything's going to be alright," but that could be him trying to reassure both himself and D.W.

I concede you all are correct about the "Attack of the Turbo Tibbles" example, though.

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I think they're saying it's a big deal because a four-year-old getting an operation for the first time is very likely to be scared, and she's brave for getting through it and she can be scared because it's a new experience. It wasn't meant to show kids that operations are more likely to be deadly and dangerous — quite the opposite, I'd believe.

Edited by mightymewtron on Jan 18th 2023 at 3:55:15 PM

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