Never Live It Down Cleanup

NLID is about moments characters do the fans don't forget. That example...is not.

Sorry, I think I misunderstood this reaction.

I feel like a lot of people think the term “moment” is a loose definition. It could be a line, it could be an episode, it could be a season, etc. to them.

Definatly is part of the problem with misuse of this and Dethroning Moment of Suck

Edited by PlasmaPower on Apr 19th 2020 at 6:16:45 AM

On another note, it says the trope is described as "They did it just once, but now it's almost the only thing they’re known for". If that's the case, is adding multiple moments for one character misuse?

No; multiple NLID moments are possible.

Not according to the trope description...

The trope description doesn't say "only one moment per character." It says that the character is defined by that one moment in the eyes of (a certain subsection of) the fandom; it does not exclude the possibility of multiple moments for a character unless you're arguing that a work's fandom is a hivemind with absolutely no diversity of thought.

No, it's just that my reading of the description at least implies to me that it's meant to be just one moment- the moment the character is known for.

Fandoms absolutely aren't a Hive Mind, but we've also been operating for ages under the assumption that it is one moment per character, so either we're all wrong (a possibility) or the description reads too vaguely.

Found on YMMV.Up Up Down Down:

For context, Up Up Down Down is a web series that features interviews and Let's Plays with wrestlers. Do these count as preemptive Real Life examples? If not, are they another type of misuse?

Wrestling is considered to fall under the umbrella of sports, so these aren't preemptive.

This is on YMMV.House Of Mouse:

• Never Live It Down: With all the cruel treatment Donald receives in the show, especially the episode where Jafar hypnotizes Donald into getting the lamp for him, and resulting in Donald getting the short end of the stick by his friends and being turned into ham with Minnie ordering Gus to eat Donald, this is typically what is often remembered by viewers, and that's not a good thing in this show's case.

I can't tell who the target is: Jafar, Donald, or the show? If it's the show this is hardly the thing people remember about it, and if it's Donald then it would go on his character page (but I doubt it's valid anymore).

So I recommend cutting it.

I found this on Grand Theft Auto V. It's a real life example.

• Never Live It Down: The focus on Online has severely lowered the expectations of some fans who feel that the next game's singleplayer will be disappointing or non-existent. This has even leaked outside of GTA fandom, with Red Dead fans feeling uneasy after the announcement for Red Dead Redemption 2 so much as mentioned an online mode, though these concerns faded away after the campaign proved to be even bigger than GTA V's.

I think I might replace it with an entry about Jimmy, and how fans always seem to focus on the time he drugged his father Michael.

Edited by PlasmaPower on May 23rd 2020 at 2:38:12 PM

This is on YMMV.The Lion Guard:

• Never Live It Down: Outside of its fandom, the show is now most known for the infamous scene in "Little Old Ginterbog" where Bunga and Binga have a farting competition. Said scene has been used by many as an example of Fetish Fuel in kids' cartoons, and some have gone as far as to accuse The Lion Guard of trying to subliminally instill deviant fetishes in its young audience.

what

Because, as we all know, farting in a children's TV series is obviously fetish indoctrination and not Toilet Humor.

But seriously though, is that actually how people reacted to that? I'm leaning toward cut, but I honestly don't know if people are that stupid, so it could be legitimate. Maybe. But probably not.

Even if they did, it wouldn't qualify as Never Live It Down; the people with that reaction wouldn't qualify as fans of the work. Why would they? It's clearly fetish work.

But seriously, that's misuse of the concept even if it's factually accurate otherwise.

I've removed it and linked here in the edit reason.

So this is on YMMV.Gravity Falls:

• Never Live It Down:
  • Wendy's only line in the earliest promos was: "Later, dorks." This has lead to some Fan Fic writers treating the word "dorks" like it's her Verbal Tic, not unlike Kevin.
  • "Morality is relative!" has become the driving force behind all Mabel haters as proof of her "evil."
  • Mabel's detractors will never forgive her for her role for nearly ending the world, albeit unintentionally.

None of those examples explain why the reputation is unfair, so cut.

Edited by ADrago on May 25th 2020 at 11:52:22 AM

This particular example from the Naruto section of NeverLiveItDown.Anime And Manga:

• Sakura's painfully fake love confession to Naruto in Chapter 469. Fans who already didn't like her really hated her after that, while the more neutral fans joined in on the hate. It didn't help that she was already considered The Scrappy in many circles long before she did this. Even her own fans turned on her for this one, and it's widely regarded as the moment where the NaruSaku ship died a painful death.

It’s complainy, don’t you guys think? It was probably written by an extremely bitter shipper who just let that scene ruin their life. Not sure about the rest of the Naruto examples since it’s a big section.

Edited by PlasmaPower on May 26th 2020 at 6:21:42 AM

I really don't think that the Doug example should be left up. Plenty of fans have better memories of the show than what The Nostalgia Critic thinks of it. Maybe that example would have been acceptable in the early or mid '10s, but, you know...

I could've sworn I deleted this entry a while back for being too complainy, but someone for whatever reason brought it back.

My Hero Academia:

• Mineta, The Scrappy of the manga, will never live down the time he said to Eri, a little girl, survivor of a physically abusive father, that he can't wait to see her in ten years, making a pass at her. The readers were so disgusted by this, that despite many redeeming moments that he had later on and much work being put in to make him more likable, the readers still continue to bring the moment up as a reason to hate him. Despite any attempts made by the author, no amount of good deeds, character development, or sympathetic moments could ever redeem him in their eyes.

Edited by PlasmaPower on May 26th 2020 at 8:48:32 AM

Although Mineta doing that does seem like a valid example, the entry is a bit too long and complain-y. I'd say the last sentence can be cut at least.

• Mineta has never lived down the time he said to Eri, a little girl, survivor of a physically abusive father, that he can't wait to see her in ten years, making a pass at her. This is despite ''many'' redeeming moments that he had later on and much work being put in to make him more likable. You'd think he was some pedophilic boor from the way fans talk about him.

This better?

Edit: I'm confused if this should be a keep or not now.

Edited by PlasmaPower on May 26th 2020 at 9:05:49 AM

Rescued from the Scrappy Heap is an audience reaction, so if the character really couldn't live it down despite attempts to make him more likeable, it shouldn't be potholed.