Hindsight Cleanup

Wouldn't it make more sense to connect it to some Fantastic Four porno and not a porno from some other show? I mean it's a Fan Myopia shoehorn either way, and an uncomfortable one to boot.

Edited by mightymewtron on Apr 10th 2022 at 12:56:59 PM

This is on Trivia.Paddington:

• Harsher in Hindsight: In the Ukranian dub, Paddington, who was explicitly based on children being evacuated from Nazi Germany who the author saw at a train station in London, is voiced by Vlodymyr Zelensky. This is much harsher in light of the refugee crisis caused by Russia’s invasion of Ukraine in 2022, during Zelensky’s presidency, and which is the worst refugee crisis in Europe since the one that inspired Paddington.

Has a decent connection, though the event is too recent.

Sonic the Hedgehog (2020) has this entry:

• Harsher in Hindsight: Wade comments on how Robotnik reminds him of Men in Black but isn't as "as likable or charming as Will Smith". Smith himself would land in hot water after slapping Chris Rock at the 2022 Oscars over a joke about his wife Jada Pinkett Smith.

I feel like this is a shoehorn as plenty of people sided with Will Smith and also this says nothing about the slap diminishing his charm or likeability as a performer (which is what the original quote was referring to).

It also happened before the film’s release, so it wouldn’t be an example on that grounds.

This is actually about the 2020 movie, but I agree that it's a shoehorn.

Also feels like a ROCEJ violation as there are heated debates about Smith's character and personal life following that incident.

I missed that. I skimmed and saw Sonic and assumed it was about the new movie.

This was recently added to Are You Afraid of the Dark?:

• Harsher in Hindsight: The Tale of The Tale of Station 109.1 can be a little hard to watch after the passing of Gilbert Gottfried in 2022 seeing how hes a servant to higher powers that deal in death. judge spirits that have passed on. Though his last lines in the episode can likewise be seen as Heartwarming in Hindsight after the correction is made between the protagonist and the spirit, and the spirit walks into the beyond with no fear.
  It's only horrible, if you've lead a bad life. But if it's a good life, it's the best thing going.

Edited by fragglelover on Apr 12th 2022 at 4:28:17 AM

Oh my god it's barely been an hour.

I could only see value in it if it was his last role but it doesn't even sound like he died, he's just a servant to people who handle death?

Alright, I've removed it.

So i was going to add a Harsher example in The Facts of Life and wonder if it fits.

• One episode has Joe feeling conflicted on feelings for her long distance boyfriend Eddy while doing a marriage project with another boy. Tootie would then harp on Joe for cheating on Eddy when she is not. This becomes harsher when a later episode reveal that Eddy got married to someone else while still dating Joe.

Two Harsher in Hindsights from YMMV.Final Fantasy XIV that can probably go. The first one is a "Covid makes sickness sadder" and is likely a safe pull, the other is right on the edge of "Creator mortality", but may have merit.

• The latter half of the Qitari Beast Tribe storyline concerns an unknown disease that infected Qitari workers during their excavation of the Ronkan ruins and was inadvertently spread through the rest of the Rak'tika Greatwood from there, leaving several people on the brink of death. While the questline was written well before the COVID-19 outbreak had reached pandemic levels, it can still be somewhat difficult to play through for those using the game as a reprieve from current events.
• The boss theme for the Warrior of Light or more specifically Elidibus, the final unsundered Ancient, "To The Edge", about a man struggling against the end of his people and civilization hits a lot harder with the real life revelation that the composer Masayoshi Soken wrote the song while in the hospital fighting cancer. He stated during the 2021 fanfest that the community's reaction to the song gave him strength to fight the cancer, and currently it is in remission.

Also, reason I was on that page in particular was because I realized potential misuse that might pop up there.

There is a video of Gilbert Gottfried reciting part of a villain monologue from a particular dungeon. Gottfried passed away today, 4/12. This very same day, FFXIV did an update that reworked a lot of early game content, including the dungeon that speech comes from. I could see it becoming a case of Harsher misuse.

Edited by sgamer82 on Apr 13th 2022 at 7:04:43 AM

The first one can easily be cut, but the second one... kinda works for me? The lyrics are about trying to find hope and praying to "gods we've never seen", so it does take a different connotation after the composer revealed he was struggling with cancer.

I've seen a lot of people point out the latter in casual discussion of the game, so I think it should stay as it's a real audience reaction.

This is on The Masked Singer under Harsher in Hindsight:

• After the Hydra's second performance in season 7, the show played a clip of Gilbert Gottfried giving his support to the performers. The Hydra was eliminated and unmasked that episode, but far more tragically, Gottfried passed away less than a week after the episode aired.

Actor mortality misuse. Chop away.

This was recently added to Call of Duty: Modern Warfare 2:

• One of the most oft-criticized element of Modern Warfare's plot is the massive amount of Easy Logistics involved in Russia's invasions; they manage to blitz the US Eastern Seaboard within a day, and go form their border to Paris in under a week. Fast forward to the 2022 Russo-Ukrainian War, and Russia's shambolic performance became a huge meme. Particularly the facts that Russian convoys would simply run out of fuel and get abandoned by their drivers (the Ukrainians literally captured more abandoned tanks and other vehicles than they lost) and that the grunts had to either loot local civilians for things as mundane as wheat or pawn their gear to those same locals in cheap barter exchanges. The kicker? All of this happened within a few dozen miles of the Russian border, with an operation they had been planning for months.

Despite the issue being really contemporary, I actually think this is valid. I want to bring this example up because I think it could set a wider trend for similar examples; there are a lot of works where post-communism Russia is portrayed as a military superpower in the making, to the point where we even have a trope for it: Make the Bear Angry Again. With the Russian military's performance in Ukraine massively recontextualising these works, this might actually be a case of a Discredited Trope being formed rather than just hindsight.

I'm not super familliar with the series, but unless Russia has invaded Ukraine in the game, it sounds like too much of a stretch.

In Modern Warfare 2 they invade America, not Ukraine. Indeed, the only involvement Ukraine has in the story is in the first game, with the level set in Pripyat.

As for the example itself, I think it's best to bring it to the Ukraine War cleanup, they've been dealing with these kinds of examples about the war for a while now. Given that Russia's unrealistic military power in the Modern Warfare games was already mocked beforehand (something that even the example points out) and Russia's real power was known enough to get its own Useful Notes page at Russians with Rusting Rockets, I'm not sure that it counts as hindsight.

Edited by harryhenry on Apr 13th 2022 at 11:04:55 AM

Two questionable examples from The Simpsons S3 E16 "Bart the Lover":

• Harsher in Hindsight: Ned: "Well, you knew I had a temper when you married me." Then came Hurricane Neddy.
• Hilarious in Hindsight: "I don’t want any damn vegetables" and "No Bible stories for you tonight!" This was one year before VeggieTales premiered.

Both are Zero-Context Examples. The first one should definitely be cut, since there is no connection between Ned's marriage and the mentioned episode.

I mean, arguably that's part of what makes the point of the example: in the game, Russia successfully invades America, a superpower located across the ocean; in real life, it is struggling massively to invade Ukraine, a smaller nation on its border.

I dunno if it's worth the ROCEJ issues, but I can see the logic of the example.

This was just added to The Mysterious Mr. Enter.

• In his review on Extra Credits, he points out how Far Cry 6 received bad faith reviews where people criticised the game not on its own merits but because it didn't make a statement that its developers did not use the game for. His review of Turning Red has him essentially do just that - criticise a film for not mentioning the post 9/11 paranoia when the film was not about that in any way.

For what it's worth, he didn't actually say that Turning Red should've mentioned 9/11. He criticized it for being set in 2002 instead of some other year (or a vague unspecified time period), and used 9/11 paranoia as just one example as to why.

Didn't that review just come out?