Rule Of Cautious Editing Judgment - Violations, misuse, and other issues

As for the subpages, YMMV.Burzum lists Varg Vikernes himself as a Base-Breaking Character, Draco in Leather Pants, and Ensemble Dark Horse. And Trivia.Mayhem has one of the worst examples of What Could Have Been that I have ever seen, in that it's troping a real life murder attempt that was foiled because someone else did the deed first.

That's the most hilariously myopic Pet the Dog I've ever seen. "He hates Jews and non-whites, but at least he hates Christians, too!"

Lol, I've noticed that in general, you will always encounter tons of ROCEJ violating stuff of music related pages. I thought the stuff on the "Anal Cunt" page mentioned earlier in this thread would be a mere outlier, but I was wrong.

If you go on the Mötley Crüe page for instance, it uses the Aesop Amnesia and All Drummers Are Animals for real people unapologetically. Those are not even all of the problematic tropes.

Edited by NonsenseBearer on Dec 23rd 2021 at 11:47:18 AM

There's a real life example on My Species Doth Protest Too Much now, and it feels a bit judgemental. I'm surprised it's not on NRLEP already.

cut and bring up possibility of NRLEP. Trope seems to require sentient species when we are the only ones on earth and if aliens show up, let's say, 20 years from now, it would still be contentious.

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I think that trope was being discussed in the real life thread recently. Do you know where I can report pages for being about entirely nonfictional events? Swindled is a completely nonfictional podcast about real white collar crimes so I don’t think it’s tropable and the page is loaded with NRLEP tropes being applied to real world events.

Edited by TheLivingDrawing on Dec 24th 2021 at 7:25:03 AM

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On HarsherInHindsight.Literature:

Another story is Emil and the Detectives, about a German boy in 1929. Around ten years later, he'd be old enough...Not just that, he'd probably end up shooting and killing the French boys that helped him

This... reads like a very subtle way of saying All Germans Are Nazis. Werent there several Germans who fled before the Nazis took power?

Edited by SkylaNoivern on Dec 27th 2021 at 5:25:51 PM

Yes, there were. It should be deleted pronto.

This may or may nor be okay, but wanted to bring it up. Is the trope description for Husky Russkie okay? It trades very heavily on stereotyping.

Thanks.

It leans too much into self-demonstration; I can barely tell what it's trying to say.

I had a dog-themed avatar before it was cool.

Right, I don't think it's offensive, but maybe the self-demonstrating gimmick could be limited to the first paragraph.

On Wants a Prize for Basic Decency:

• In his Oppression Obsession video, Jonathan Pie criticised the ideology "anti-fascism" as being this, noting it was not especially impressive to be against an ideology so obviously disgusting and immoral.
  Pie: I see people who define themselves as "anti-fascist" on their Twitter profile. Who isn't? I'm sorry, but that's the default setting. It's not impressive to be anti-fascist. Can you imagine showing off "I am not a fascist!" Good! What do you want a fucking medal? Not endorsing fascism is about as common as not endorsing fingering children. Can we just work on the assumption that most people, even people we don't like, aren't fascist?

I don't know. Something about this seems... off to me? Maybe its just the implication that fascism isn't a problem that exists today, which is a very heated position to take.

Edited by SkylaNoivern on Jan 1st 2022 at 9:40:48 AM

That's not the implication I get from that. To me it's just saying that being anti-fascist shouldn't be something you need to tell everyone, because the people who like fascism are the weirdos. But I don't think the quote works anyway because it's assuming that people are saying it to be rewarded and not just to stand up against the rising threat.

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Sorry, I wasn't sure how to word it but thats the point I wanted to make.

Although it may be based in a misinterpretation of what anti-fascism is (the reason why people feel the need to clarify their opposition to fascism is because there are people who actively support it), it also does seem to be a valid example of the trope, at least within the context of the show itself.

I've been considering an entry on WMG.Total Drama since I think it's a legit prediction, but wasn't sure if it could cause problems on ROCEJ grounds. I've actually of thought of something like it since a few months ago, but wasn't too sure about it. Can I post it, or is it too much?

Considering the season has been stated to have several diverse characters by Tom McGillis (including black, East Asian, South Asian, Latinx, LGBT, and an amputee) so he'd act as an antithesis of sorts to that, it's a realistic modern-day teen stereotype, and a villain type they haven't explored yet. As TD is still ultimately a show for young teens it's unlikely that he'll be anything particularly nasty, but he'll probably be a skinhead who complains about the other characters' diversity and mocks them while antagonising them, and he'll definitely get his comeuppance near the finale.

Edited by Piterpicher on Jan 1st 2022 at 11:25:11 AM

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I don't see a problem with the prediction. Politically Incorrect Villain is a trope, and it's not targeting any specific person or group besides bigots as a whole. "Racist teenagers exist" is an objective fact, hard to see that causing controversy.

Edited by mightymewtron on Jan 1st 2022 at 7:12:51 AM

I do some cleanup and then I enjoy shows you probably think are cringe.

The Jonathan Pie one feels a bit dogwhistle-y. I don't think that's at all intentional, but the whole 'People who say they are anti-fascist are obviously just trying to look good' thing comes across as him very clearly trying to accuse people of virtue-signalling without saying so. And it totally ignores that, uh, fascism is kind of on the rise in a lot of places?

The whole thing is a bit far from the trope in my opinion because it is only the opinion of Mr Johnny Pastry that the people he is speaking about truly want a prize for basic decency. And given that the people he is speaking about are real, it's... yeah, I would say delete, but understand if others would disagree.

I get the impression that "anti-fascist" means more than just disapproving of fascism; it's meant to signify that someone is actively attempting to fight back against it. Can't help but feel like he's being more than a little dense there, at the very least.

Edited by KarkatTheDalek on Jan 2nd 2022 at 2:09:19 PM

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Just cut a reference to the WWF being an Unacceptable Target as they are notorious for violating human rights with indigenous people. The page as a whole has serious issues, ROCEJ and otherwise (kind of feels like a real life with examples allowed repeat of Sacred Cow but thats for another place to discuss this on the wiki, though I don't know where). For instance there's quite a few dictators listed as Unacceptable Targets, and while I'm assuming the best that the tropers must have taken it the literal way of "if you criticize them you will die", it still feels weird.

Edited by AlmightyKingPrawn on Jan 3rd 2022 at 12:08:03 PM

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I feel like Unacceptable Targets is a controversy magnet anyway and it'd make more sense to redefine it as Fan Speak (i.e. not for actual examples), in-universe examples, or at the most lenient, cases where a specific thing being targeted led to backlash. These general examples feel like a recipe for trouble.

I do some cleanup and then I enjoy shows you probably think are cringe.

Also, the way the examples are arranged makes Unacceptable Targets seem less like a tropable concept and more like a "List of People/Works that cannot and should not be mocked". Also, It seems redundant to Scared Cow (Itself a subtrope of Unacceptable Targets). AFAIK, the only difference between both tropes is that Scared Cow disallows on page examples

Edited by magnumtropus on Jan 4th 2022 at 3:05:28 PM

Sacred Cow is more specifically about works, which is more in our ballpark. Unacceptable Targets is for the real life stuff that works incorporate (or do not incorporate), making it a bit harder to control.

I do some cleanup and then I enjoy shows you probably think are cringe.

And someone's added Betty White to Unacceptable Targets.

It hasn't even been a week.

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Unacceptable Targets also has a work sub folder. Should it be removed since the works mentioned there may as well be mentioned under Sacred Cow?

She might be, but is there any evidence of someone making fun of her and suffering massive backlash for it? That is usually the vibe I get with regards to someone being this trope - "make fun of this person and you are toast"

Edited by magnumtropus on Jan 4th 2022 at 3:26:13 PM