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And that's the thing- everyone seems to have a different opinion of whether or not an RP counts as a published work, a public work, a work genre with an audience...my argument was specifically against the definition Fighteer seems to be using, which seems to necessitate the creators intending to have an audience, an intentional release, which roleplays lack even in the best of cases.
Edited by WarJay77 on Oct 1st 2019 at 12:08:20 PM
Which in reality all comes down to the decision of how the forum works. Either it's meant to be a public forum or not. If it's public, anything on there is almost always public. If that's not public, we cannot verify it. If they make certain things private, we cannot verify it.
Honestly, this is being made way more complicated than it needs to be. There is no special or unique answer. The content needs to be publicly available without registering. That's really the actual point Fighteer is making here. If I'm wrong, he'll correct me. But I never got another vibe from what he's overall saying.
That's actually the overall rule we've been using for verifiable work for a long time now too.
Right. Either I severly misunderstood what he meant by this, or he really is saying that the work should be intentionally published for an audience.
I'm quite happy just doing this as a case-by-case basis, or even just moving this RP to Darth Wiki and never discussing it again, but...IDK. I think the issue of whether or not a work is verifiable is a separate issue from whether or not it's public, as some roleplays posted on public forums have been wiped and are no longer verifiable (a la those Warriors roleplays), while at the same time, content can be easily verifiable, but not exactly public (and this seems to be the case here, though that depends on whether or not you think a registration wall ruins a work's ability to be verified or not. Similar is unreleased works with a lot of verifiable information while the work is still not yet released.)
I'm really not trying to make this into a huge deal or derail the thread (which is why I suggested we move to a new thread to get this sorted out), it just feels like there's less agreement here than people think.
Edited by WarJay77 on Oct 1st 2019 at 12:21:02 PM
...So, anyway, I'll try and finish the C's today.
... Right. As strictly as I treat RPs behind log-in walls, I think a decision must be made on a case-by-case basis.
I have exciting news: The third column of page 2 of the Namespace Index for Roleplay/ is all done. 🎉
And that concludes the C's! Next I'll do...hmm...I'll skip ahead and claim the M's. I'd also like to move Connection Established to Darth, but hold off on Consequence of a Nation for the time being.
Edited by WarJay77 on Oct 8th 2019 at 3:01:08 PM
Sure thing! I've gone ahead and provided the link to the source proper, and would be happy to help out with some additional (I'm sure much-needed, heh) cleanup.
Thanks! I'll stick around to get some of it done, of course.
So, Cumberholmes was created in one-shot by troper ~Macron Notes, who is notably still around (last edit in August of this year). I'll hold off on purging it until I see if they can help out.
Project Genesis is almost entirely ZC Es...
Could probably get away with just cutting it.
Wow, every single edit since 2012, when records start, is a from some sort of cleanup project. Submitting the characters page to the cut list- nobody appears to care about this fic.
Edit: The roleplay as a whole is available to the public and seems to be packaged for easy consumption, so I'll leave the main page.
Edited by naturalironist on Oct 10th 2019 at 9:03:10 AM
Well, wait a minute, I don't think there are three contextual, properly-used, tropes on that page. It should be cut as well.
There's City with No Name, Does This Remind You of Anything?, "Take That!" Kiss(??) aaaand... that's it.
Ha ha. I like the City with No Name description. Will plagiarize.
Edited by Tabs on Oct 11th 2019 at 2:41:43 AM
City with No Name does amuse me, I'll admit, but...yeah. I wouldn't call that or "Take That!" Kiss "contextual".
The Blatant Lies pothole let it squeak by on my ZCE radar. But I wouldn't mind cutting this page.
Redshirt Army seems fine too. And I think there's enough contextual tropes from the character page that they can be moved over and that page cut (particularly from Amber's section, with one or two sprinkled amongst the other characters). I'd move them myself but right now it's 2am and I'm on mobile
I'm not seeing what you're seeing when it comes to Redshirt Army? I can't even tell what the example is trying to say, let alone how it describes the trope.
I swear, everything you guys are saying has context read to me like "This happens" "character is this" "character does this" etc...same with the characters page. Any trope that does have anything resembling context still makes me uncertain, since a lot of them don't even seem to be used correctly.
I'm just saying, with my standards for these things, there's no saving this page.
Edited by WarJay77 on Oct 11th 2019 at 9:08:32 AM
I think I could barely see 3 tropes with context, and they aren't much there. A lot of it looks like they grabbed whatever trope sounded right. Is the person who made the page able to be contacted to try and throw more context in? If not, I can concur with scrapping it
Hmmm, one of the editors is Macron Notes (under the name Oreochan for some reason), and they're who I contacted about Cumberholmes, but they've not been on recently...
How long ago did you contact them?
Few days ago. Just a few posts above is where I pinged them. Their last activity on the site was on 9/18.
...It hardly matters. Looking more closely, their edit was just a cleanup edit.
The participant editors haven't been on in ages.
Edited by WarJay77 on Oct 11th 2019 at 9:26:20 AM
Redshirt Army is when there's a bunch of disposable Mooks on the good guy's side, right? The example as written tells me that GeneticCorp are the company that the main cast are working for, and that anyone who works for them that aren't the protags are nameless and disposable- or at least are treated that way in-universe.
I could explain why I think other tropes on the pages are fine if needed. I also don't think I'm getting back to sleep, so I could nip on to the main computer and clean the page up myself.
Redshirt Army are on the good side, though. And that example straight up admits there's no "good" side and calls them Mooks, but that doesn't give any context in and of itself- if someone didn't know what "Mook" meant...
Like, I'm sorry, but even the best examples are still very subpar as far as I'm concerned.
I also was looking at how bad the character page was, and didn't look at the roleplay page. The roleplay page is more wordy, but it doesn't really say much even then.
But hey, if that can be salvaged(good luck with the character page, sweet mercy)...
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