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WarJay77 Simba is tired from Upstate New York Relationship Status: Armed with the Power of Love
Simba is tired
Oct 1st 2019 at 9:06:17 PM

And that's the thing- everyone seems to have a different opinion of whether or not an RP counts as a published work, a public work, a work genre with an audience...my argument was specifically against the definition Fighteer seems to be using, which seems to necessitate the creators intending to have an audience, an intentional release, which roleplays lack even in the best of cases.

Edited by WarJay77 on Oct 1st 2019 at 12:08:20 PM

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Irene Drathe Perrywinkle from Friend Code: 1203-9265-8784 and 4571-1389-1915 Relationship Status: It's complicated
Drathe Perrywinkle
Oct 1st 2019 at 9:12:13 PM

Which in reality all comes down to the decision of how the forum works. Either it's meant to be a public forum or not. If it's public, anything on there is almost always public. If that's not public, we cannot verify it. If they make certain things private, we cannot verify it.

Honestly, this is being made way more complicated than it needs to be. There is no special or unique answer. The content needs to be publicly available without registering. That's really the actual point Fighteer is making here. If I'm wrong, he'll correct me. But I never got another vibe from what he's overall saying.

That's actually the overall rule we've been using for verifiable work for a long time now too.

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WarJay77 Simba is tired from Upstate New York Relationship Status: Armed with the Power of Love
Simba is tired
Oct 1st 2019 at 9:19:48 PM

Right. Either I severly misunderstood what he meant by this, or he really is saying that the work should be intentionally published for an audience.

I'm quite happy just doing this as a case-by-case basis, or even just moving this RP to Darth Wiki and never discussing it again, but...IDK. I think the issue of whether or not a work is verifiable is a separate issue from whether or not it's public, as some roleplays posted on public forums have been wiped and are no longer verifiable (a la those Warriors roleplays), while at the same time, content can be easily verifiable, but not exactly public (and this seems to be the case here, though that depends on whether or not you think a registration wall ruins a work's ability to be verified or not. Similar is unreleased works with a lot of verifiable information while the work is still not yet released.)

I'm really not trying to make this into a huge deal or derail the thread (which is why I suggested we move to a new thread to get this sorted out), it just feels like there's less agreement here than people think.

Edited by WarJay77 on Oct 1st 2019 at 12:21:02 PM

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WarJay77 Simba is tired from Upstate New York Relationship Status: Armed with the Power of Love
Simba is tired
Oct 2nd 2019 at 12:33:22 PM

...So, anyway, I'll try and finish the C's today.

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Oct 2nd 2019 at 4:01:54 PM

... Right. As strictly as I treat RPs behind log-in walls, I think a decision must be made on a case-by-case basis.

I have exciting news: The third column of page 2 of the Namespace Index for Roleplay/ is all done. 🎉

WarJay77 Simba is tired from Upstate New York Relationship Status: Armed with the Power of Love
Simba is tired
Oct 8th 2019 at 11:49:11 AM

  • Crestfallen: ZCEs up the wazoo. It doesn't tell me where the roleplay is located; its only index is Troper Works. Not scrubbed at the time of this posting due to lack of time, as well as the fact that I want to see if any of the non-cleanup-edit editors are around, if they could tell us any more about the RP or help with providing context to 90% of the page.
  • Crinoverse: Not a single RP, but rather a setting for multiple games. Needed quick clean-up.
  • Crossover Central: Linked, but the site doesn't work. Beyond that, it has several subjective pages, and needed scrubbing.
  • Cross Region: Can't find the link or even the site it's hosted on. The good news is that the character pages are still being actively worked on, so I'll see if ~Thrills can come help us out, both with link-hunting, and with general clean-up.
  • Crystal Crusade: With tropes brought from the character's page, this RP only barely manages to stay alive. It's also not indexed. The best thing I can say about it is that it's linked, and that it's alphabetized.
  • Crystal Rave: Needed minor cleanup. It's otherwise pretty good.
  • Crystalwatchers Magical Girl Quest: Minor cleanup needed on the main page. Will worry 'bout characters page later.
  • Culling Tides: Immediate cut: It only has a single trope, despite being around for 7 years.
  • Cumberholmes Role Play Twitter Community: Gonna need a lot of scrubbing just to see if there's even enough contextual tropes to keep it around. I'd prefer to just cut it since looking at it is driving me insane, but we'll see. No time right now.
  • ''CXRP and RPers: Has multiple character pages to go through, and the main page needs a little scrubbing. Add it to the "pages to do after work" pile, I guess.

And that concludes the C's! Next I'll do...hmm...I'll skip ahead and claim the M's. I'd also like to move Connection Established to Darth, but hold off on Consequence of a Nation for the time being.

Edited by WarJay77 on Oct 8th 2019 at 3:01:08 PM

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Tubby
Oct 8th 2019 at 10:19:50 PM

Sure thing! I've gone ahead and provided the link to the source proper, and would be happy to help out with some additional (I'm sure much-needed, heh) cleanup.

WarJay77 Simba is tired from Upstate New York Relationship Status: Armed with the Power of Love
Simba is tired
Oct 8th 2019 at 10:40:03 PM

[up] Thanks! I'll stick around to get some of it done, of course. [tup]

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WarJay77 Simba is tired from Upstate New York Relationship Status: Armed with the Power of Love
Simba is tired
Oct 9th 2019 at 3:20:57 PM

So, Cumberholmes was created in one-shot by troper ~Macron Notes, who is notably still around (last edit in August of this year). I'll hold off on purging it until I see if they can help out.

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naturalironist from The Information Superhighway Relationship Status: TV Tropes ruined my love life
WarJay77 Simba is tired from Upstate New York Relationship Status: Armed with the Power of Love
Simba is tired
Oct 10th 2019 at 9:42:24 AM

[up] Could probably get away with just cutting it.

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naturalironist from The Information Superhighway Relationship Status: TV Tropes ruined my love life
Oct 10th 2019 at 6:00:25 PM

[up]Wow, every single edit since 2012, when records start, is a from some sort of cleanup project. Submitting the characters page to the cut list- nobody appears to care about this fic.

Edit: The roleplay as a whole is available to the public and seems to be packaged for easy consumption, so I'll leave the main page.

Edited by naturalironist on Oct 10th 2019 at 9:03:10 AM

"It's just a show; I should really just relax"
WarJay77 Simba is tired from Upstate New York Relationship Status: Armed with the Power of Love
Simba is tired
Oct 10th 2019 at 6:40:57 PM

[up] Well, wait a minute, I don't think there are three contextual, properly-used, tropes on that page. It should be cut as well.

Female troper who likes Pokemon, ARGs, Writing, and more. / Links: Sandbox.Zero Context Example Thread - Sandbox.Roleplay Cleanup Thread
Oct 11th 2019 at 2:40:35 PM

There's City with No Name, Does This Remind You of Anything?, "Take That!" Kiss(??) aaaand... that's it.

Ha ha. I like the City with No Name description. Will plagiarize.

Edited by Tabs on Oct 11th 2019 at 2:41:43 AM

WarJay77 Simba is tired from Upstate New York Relationship Status: Armed with the Power of Love
Simba is tired
Oct 11th 2019 at 2:43:12 PM

[up] City with No Name does amuse me, I'll admit, but...yeah. I wouldn't call that or "Take That!" Kiss "contextual".

Female troper who likes Pokemon, ARGs, Writing, and more. / Links: Sandbox.Zero Context Example Thread - Sandbox.Roleplay Cleanup Thread
Oct 11th 2019 at 3:19:19 PM

The Blatant Lies pothole let it squeak by on my ZCE radar. But I wouldn't mind cutting this page.

whizzerd Live, survive, adapt from Scotland Relationship Status: You cannot grasp the true form
Live, survive, adapt
Oct 11th 2019 at 6:01:27 PM

Redshirt Army seems fine too. And I think there's enough contextual tropes from the character page that they can be moved over and that page cut (particularly from Amber's section, with one or two sprinkled amongst the other characters). I'd move them myself but right now it's 2am and I'm on mobile tongue

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WarJay77 Simba is tired from Upstate New York Relationship Status: Armed with the Power of Love
Simba is tired
Oct 11th 2019 at 6:07:52 PM

[up] I'm not seeing what you're seeing when it comes to Redshirt Army? I can't even tell what the example is trying to say, let alone how it describes the trope.

I swear, everything you guys are saying has context read to me like "This happens" "character is this" "character does this" etc...same with the characters page. Any trope that does have anything resembling context still makes me uncertain, since a lot of them don't even seem to be used correctly.

I'm just saying, with my standards for these things, there's no saving this page.

Edited by WarJay77 on Oct 11th 2019 at 9:08:32 AM

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Irene Drathe Perrywinkle from Friend Code: 1203-9265-8784 and 4571-1389-1915 Relationship Status: It's complicated
Drathe Perrywinkle
Oct 11th 2019 at 6:13:46 PM

I think I could barely see 3 tropes with context, and they aren't much there. A lot of it looks like they grabbed whatever trope sounded right. Is the person who made the page able to be contacted to try and throw more context in? If not, I can concur with scrapping it

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WarJay77 Simba is tired from Upstate New York Relationship Status: Armed with the Power of Love
Simba is tired
Oct 11th 2019 at 6:15:57 PM

Hmmm, one of the editors is Macron Notes (under the name Oreochan for some reason), and they're who I contacted about Cumberholmes, but they've not been on recently...

Female troper who likes Pokemon, ARGs, Writing, and more. / Links: Sandbox.Zero Context Example Thread - Sandbox.Roleplay Cleanup Thread
Irene Drathe Perrywinkle from Friend Code: 1203-9265-8784 and 4571-1389-1915 Relationship Status: It's complicated
WarJay77 Simba is tired from Upstate New York Relationship Status: Armed with the Power of Love
Simba is tired
Oct 11th 2019 at 6:22:53 PM

Few days ago. Just a few posts above is where I pinged them. Their last activity on the site was on 9/18.

...It hardly matters. Looking more closely, their edit was just a cleanup edit.

The participant editors haven't been on in ages.

Edited by WarJay77 on Oct 11th 2019 at 9:26:20 AM

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whizzerd Live, survive, adapt from Scotland Relationship Status: You cannot grasp the true form
Live, survive, adapt
Oct 11th 2019 at 6:26:09 PM

Redshirt Army is when there's a bunch of disposable Mooks on the good guy's side, right? The example as written tells me that GeneticCorp are the company that the main cast are working for, and that anyone who works for them that aren't the protags are nameless and disposable- or at least are treated that way in-universe.

I could explain why I think other tropes on the pages are fine if needed. I also don't think I'm getting back to sleep, so I could nip on to the main computer and clean the page up myself.

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WarJay77 Simba is tired from Upstate New York Relationship Status: Armed with the Power of Love
Simba is tired
Oct 11th 2019 at 6:28:35 PM

[up] Redshirt Army are on the good side, though. And that example straight up admits there's no "good" side and calls them Mooks, but that doesn't give any context in and of itself- if someone didn't know what "Mook" meant...

Like, I'm sorry, but even the best examples are still very subpar as far as I'm concerned.

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Irene Drathe Perrywinkle from Friend Code: 1203-9265-8784 and 4571-1389-1915 Relationship Status: It's complicated
Drathe Perrywinkle
Oct 11th 2019 at 6:29:54 PM

I also was looking at how bad the character page was, and didn't look at the roleplay page. The roleplay page is more wordy, but it doesn't really say much even then.

But hey, if that can be salvaged(good luck with the character page, sweet mercy)...

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