Complete Monster quotes cleanup

The Complete Monster trope's quotes page has been locked due to complaints about numerous quotes that don't fit on the page for one reason or another. Since the main CM cleanup thread prioritizes maintaining entries and judging candidates, it was decided that we need a separate thread to address the quotes page. In this thread, we will try to decide on standards and determine what quotes can be kept, and which should be removed.

Here's a link to the quotes morgue, which I'm currently planning to revise somewhat.

One issue I've noticed with the quote page is that a lot of them are way too long. There should be a certain conciseness to a quotes page, imo. Not any hard word limits, just something to think about.

Agreed. There's a problem with quotes that are taken from long strings of dialogue where they take up space due to the number of lines.

Majesty could you put a link to here on your forum signature, that way it will be easy for people to find this.

Sorry, but how do I do that?

Edited by ImperialMajestyXO on Apr 16th 2019 at 5:49:31 AM

If you go to your profile, there will be an option to add a forum signature like the one I just made.

Okay, I just did it. Thank you.

Just looking at it, the Blade of the Immortal and Date A Live ones should be cut way down. Maybe to:

Shira: True enough, but I remember THAT one...that was the last bitch I ever screwed. So, yeah, I remember. I did her before I "did" her. Spare me the shock. She was a WHORE. Spreading her legs was her BUSINESS, yeah? For anybody who had the cash. Heh heh. Hey, kid, wanna hear a cool trick? Normally I ain't interested in screwing, see? Too boring. But lemme tell ya a secret. Get inside 'em, THEN start cutting them up! Get it? When ya cut bitches where it HURTS, first the muscles go limp, and then they all tighten up. THOSE muscles, too, kiddo. Heh heh heh. Think about it. YOU'RE a guy. There's nothing like it, man! Now, hey, I ain't no serial killer. I don't do it that way every time. Your girl? She was only number FIVE on the hit parade. THAT'S WHY I REMEMBER HER! GYAH HAH HAH!!!

Westcott: Any ideas, Ellen? *sigh* -I say, Ellen. Maybe it would be faster if we increased the physical torture on her? Let's start off with electrocution. And then decrease the oxygen concentration in the room, and observe her reaction. Maybe we can also try changing the air pressure. If those fail, then let's chip her nails away, and her fingers... ah, right, maybe we can grind out her teeth too. The pain felt by the nervous system will be unbearable by then. A Spirit's body is much more resilient than a human... try feeding her poison. Ah, in that case, we should also give her tranquilizers. And then, yes, you're a virgin? How do you feel about your own chastity? The pain you will feel when we completely destroy and defile your dignity you have as a woman. In the long time you've spent in this world, have you had any friends or loved ones? If we were to kill a loved one in front of you, how would you feel? I would love to see one of them dying before your eyes to see the results.

I think that the 1st one could probably be cut down further to when he says "hey kid" since without the last thing Magatsu says the first part doesn't make much sense. The 2nd one is better cut down

I agree that raising the standards is a good odea even thought I'm a bit sad that all my quotes are getting cut.

If we want a shorter quote for Gregor Clegane, we could use this one:

"Elia of Dorne. I killed her screaming whelp. Then I raped her. Then I smashed her fucking head in. Like this"

(Stripped the narration out for conciseness, but given what he's doing in that scene, we could probably leave it in.

Edited by Libraryseraph on Apr 17th 2019 at 11:52:27 AM

"Before all was, I was. Before time was, I waited. I fed on the screaming souls of the universes. I drank the spoiled milk of dead stars. I am the emptiness outside all understanding. I am Shuma-Gorath."

Lets hold off on adding/changing/removing for now, we should agree on a standard for quotes to follow first.

If I remember right, Scraggle said that they may come up with a standard to propose but for now I'll propose the one they mentioned a while back.

The standard is that all quotes should show both how vile a person is and how absolutely vile they are. For example the quote below describes the character's horrible actions and outright says that he lacks redeeming feature.

"They paid me a lot of money to do it. And then I've taken my son captive and I'm torturing him, then I was going to take my grandson captive and threaten him. So I went to the producers and I said, 'Look, are there any redeeming qualities to this character?' They looked at me as though I was nuts, I was asking something bizarre."

—James Cromwell, on his 24 character Phillip Bauer

If we're going to be cutting quotes from the list, I would at least save this portion of the dialogue quote from Metroid:

I figure that this one essential highlighting Ridley's character while everything can be cut.

Also, I think we should cut this Ridley quote:

I think one is enough and the former makes Ridley much more personally vile than the latter, which is a generic Kill Em All line.

Edited by Shadao on Apr 17th 2019 at 3:32:43 AM

By those standards, which Gregor quote would work better, do you think?

The best Gregor quotes are the ones talking about him burning his brother's face (both the novel and show's quotes). Both show how petty and cruel he is, that he doesn't care for his brother, and that he's always been evil.

Notes and suggestions

• The Haman quote should be in the Literature folder, since that's the namespace Book of Esther goes in.
• Quotes that don't fit imho
  • The Ramsay Snow quote in the literature folder is too vague and understated for a character like this
  • The Nyarlathotep quote doesn't fit standards established upthread.
  • The second The Wardstone Chronicles quote is another overly-long conversation. I don't have context for this series, but it could be cut down to
  Grimalkin: Why did you kill my child?
  The Fiend: Our child, Grimalkin! Our child! I did it because I could. I also did it to hurt you! I did it because I could not suffer it to live! Grown to manhood, that child would have become my deadly enemy, and a dangerous one too. But now another has replaced him – the boy called Thomas Ward. I will destroy him as well. I cannot allow him to become a man. He must die too, just like your child. Firstly, I will do it because I can! Secondly, to prevent him destroying me. Thirdly, to hurt you, Grimalkin. Because without him your last hope of revenge will be gone!
  • The Blackburn and Pedro conversation should be cut way down, but I'm not sure which parts to keep
  • All of the The Legendary Starfy examples feel more like generic villainry than CM moments
  • The conversation between Acree and Silas establishes Silas as being cold and unfeeling, but not a CM

I'm gonna swing in once in a blue moon but I have to admit that I do add several of the quotes that seems unfit :/ Sorry if I did the action in the past.

Anyways, to participate, when putting these quotes on the morgue? Honestly you can cut the quotes from Nagito Akashi because it feels very wall-of-texty or Snark because it can be placed on The Dreaded. Please let me know what are your thoughts on it.

OK so this thread doesn't loose control I'm going to recommend we work from the top down in chunks, that way all quotes are looked at and we do so in a timely manner. I'll be keeping a list on my own.

• This one sounds good to me.

• Like I said cut down to when he says "hey kid"

• I have to say no since it's not clear what she's talking about.

• Cut down to the last paragraph.

• I'n not to sure here

• I have to say no due to not meeting the standard I proposed.

Edited by papyru30 on Apr 20th 2019 at 1:05:15 PM

This one can be cut IMO

This sounds more like a Straw Nihilist than a CM. But I'll let you do the rest Papyru

• Actually I think it may be good if we maybe split work on each folder among ourselves. I'll take the Amine folder and maybe Elfen or someone else can take the comic book folder and so on. It will take ages if it's only me.

• This doesn't meet the absolute part of the standard.

• This one's pretty good I'll say.

• This doesn't meet the absolute part of the standard in my opinion

• This doesn't meet the absolute part of the standard in my opinion

Edited by papyru30 on Apr 20th 2019 at 12:30:46 PM

I’ll take literature, if noone else minds

Thinking about it some more, I'll be busy enough the next week that i probably shouldn't reserve a folder, so never mind

I've done some work on the Quotes Morgue. What I've done is added sections. When a quote gets removed, either I or somebody else will move it to the appropriate section.

I've also taken the liberty of adding some previously removed quotes to the Quotes Morgue. Maybe I'll add quotes rejected by the cleanup threads while I'm at it.

Edited by ImperialMajestyXO on Apr 20th 2019 at 2:11:06 AM

@Imperial Majesty XO I think its a pretty good idea says I.

Not sure if I'll be much of a help

• When did we decide to remove the chairman Drek quote? I think it fits the standard very well.

• This doesn't meet the absolute standard in my opinion.

• This one's pretty good I think.

• doesn't meet the absolute standard

• doesn't meet the absolute standard in my opinion

• doesn't meet the absolute standard in my opinion

• doesn't meet the absolute standard in my opinion

• I'm not too sure about this one, I don't think it sticks bu I'm not sure.

Edited by papyru30 on Apr 20th 2019 at 12:28:05 PM