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Apr 15th 2019 at 5:37:35 PM

The Complete Monster trope's quotes page has been locked due to complaints about numerous quotes that don't fit on the page for one reason or another. Since the main CM cleanup thread prioritizes maintaining entries and judging candidates, it was decided that we need a separate thread to address the quotes page. In this thread, we will try to decide on standards and determine what quotes can be kept, and which should be removed.

Here's a link to the quotes morgue, which I'm currently planning to revise somewhat.

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Libraryseraph Take my revolution! from Canada Relationship Status: Longing for Dulcinea
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Apr 16th 2019 at 2:18:50 PM

One issue I've noticed with the quote page is that a lot of them are way too long. There should be a certain conciseness to a quotes page, imo. Not any hard word limits, just something to think about.

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papyru30 The Powerfu Popula Prestigiou Papyru from Colorado Relationship Status: Hooked on a feeling
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Apr 16th 2019 at 5:37:36 PM

[up] Agreed. There's a problem with quotes that are taken from long strings of dialogue where they take up space due to the number of lines.

Majesty could you put a link to here on your forum signature, that way it will be easy for people to find this.

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Apr 16th 2019 at 5:49:16 PM

[up] Sorry, but how do I do that?

Edited by ImperialMajestyXO on Apr 16th 2019 at 5:49:31 AM

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papyru30 The Powerfu Popula Prestigiou Papyru from Colorado Relationship Status: Hooked on a feeling
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Apr 16th 2019 at 5:58:25 PM

If you go to your profile, there will be an option to add a forum signature like the one I just made.

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Libraryseraph Take my revolution! from Canada Relationship Status: Longing for Dulcinea
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Apr 16th 2019 at 7:18:14 PM

Just looking at it, the Blade of the Immortal and Date A Live ones should be cut way down. Maybe to:

Shira: True enough, but I remember THAT one...that was the last bitch I ever screwed. So, yeah, I remember. I did her before I "did" her. Spare me the shock. She was a WHORE. Spreading her legs was her BUSINESS, yeah? For anybody who had the cash. Heh heh. Hey, kid, wanna hear a cool trick? Normally I ain't interested in screwing, see? Too boring. But lemme tell ya a secret. Get inside 'em, THEN start cutting them up! Get it? When ya cut bitches where it HURTS, first the muscles go limp, and then they all tighten up. THOSE muscles, too, kiddo. Heh heh heh. Think about it. YOU'RE a guy. There's nothing like it, man! Now, hey, I ain't no serial killer. I don't do it that way every time. Your girl? She was only number FIVE on the hit parade. THAT'S WHY I REMEMBER HER! GYAH HAH HAH!!!
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Westcott: Any ideas, Ellen? *sigh* -I say, Ellen. Maybe it would be faster if we increased the physical torture on her? Let's start off with electrocution. And then decrease the oxygen concentration in the room, and observe her reaction. Maybe we can also try changing the air pressure. If those fail, then let's chip her nails away, and her fingers... ah, right, maybe we can grind out her teeth too. The pain felt by the nervous system will be unbearable by then. A Spirit's body is much more resilient than a human... try feeding her poison. Ah, in that case, we should also give her tranquilizers. And then, yes, you're a virgin? How do you feel about your own chastity? The pain you will feel when we completely destroy and defile your dignity you have as a woman. In the long time you've spent in this world, have you had any friends or loved ones? If we were to kill a loved one in front of you, how would you feel? I would love to see one of them dying before your eyes to see the results.
respectively, if we don't just remove the first DaL quote, given we have two others for the same character (Maybe a one quote per character limit would be a good idea?)

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papyru30 The Powerfu Popula Prestigiou Papyru from Colorado Relationship Status: Hooked on a feeling
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Apr 16th 2019 at 7:37:39 PM

I think that the 1st one could probably be cut down further to when he says "hey kid" since without the last thing Magatsu says the first part doesn't make much sense. The 2nd one is better cut down

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Apr 16th 2019 at 10:13:14 PM

I agree that raising the standards is a good odea even thought I'm a bit sad that all my quotes are getting cut.

Libraryseraph Take my revolution! from Canada Relationship Status: Longing for Dulcinea
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Apr 17th 2019 at 8:51:50 AM

If we want a shorter quote for Gregor Clegane, we could use this one:

"Elia of Dorne. I killed her screaming whelp. Then I raped her. Then I smashed her fucking head in. Like this"

(Stripped the narration out for conciseness, but given what he's doing in that scene, we could probably leave it in.

Edited by Libraryseraph on Apr 17th 2019 at 11:52:27 AM

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Libraryseraph Take my revolution! from Canada Relationship Status: Longing for Dulcinea
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Apr 17th 2019 at 8:54:45 AM

"Before all was, I was. Before time was, I waited. I fed on the screaming souls of the universes. I drank the spoiled milk of dead stars. I am the emptiness outside all understanding. I am Shuma-Gorath."
I think we can safely cut this one. It's really a Time Abyss/Eldritch Abomination quote, with one sentence of evil

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papyru30 The Powerfu Popula Prestigiou Papyru from Colorado Relationship Status: Hooked on a feeling
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Apr 17th 2019 at 2:00:56 PM

Lets hold off on adding/changing/removing for now, we should agree on a standard for quotes to follow first.

If I remember right, Scraggle said that they may come up with a standard to propose but for now I'll propose the one they mentioned a while back.

The standard is that all quotes should show both how vile a person is and how absolutely vile they are. For example the quote below describes the character's horrible actions and outright says that he lacks redeeming feature.

"They paid me a lot of money to do it. And then I've taken my son captive and I'm torturing him, then I was going to take my grandson captive and threaten him. So I went to the producers and I said, 'Look, are there any redeeming qualities to this character?' They looked at me as though I was nuts, I was asking something bizarre."
James Cromwell, on his 24 character Phillip Bauer

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Shadao Surprised Satoshi
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Apr 17th 2019 at 3:32:22 PM

If we're going to be cutting quotes from the list, I would at least save this portion of the dialogue quote from Metroid:

Ridley: Heh, humans are always weak to the death of their own kind!! You don't know, maybe I even ate your "mama" so that my cells can live, hm? Is she here [points at his body] or here?! [grabs Samus] At least pay your respects!
Samus: N-... No...
Metroid, Chapter 8

I figure that this one essential highlighting Ridley's character while everything can be cut.

Also, I think we should cut this Ridley quote:

"Kill as much as you want! Have fun!"
Ridley to his comrades, Metroid

I think one is enough and the former makes Ridley much more personally vile than the latter, which is a generic Kill íEm All line.

Edited by Shadao on Apr 17th 2019 at 3:32:43 AM

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Libraryseraph Take my revolution! from Canada Relationship Status: Longing for Dulcinea
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Apr 18th 2019 at 6:03:24 AM

[up][up] By those standards, which Gregor quote would work better, do you think?

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papyru30 The Powerfu Popula Prestigiou Papyru from Colorado Relationship Status: Hooked on a feeling
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Apr 18th 2019 at 3:33:28 PM

The best Gregor quotes are the ones talking about him burning his brother's face (both the novel and show's quotes). Both show how petty and cruel he is, that he doesn't care for his brother, and that he's always been evil.

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Libraryseraph Take my revolution! from Canada Relationship Status: Longing for Dulcinea
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Apr 19th 2019 at 11:19:15 AM

Notes and suggestions

  • The Haman quote should be in the Literature folder, since that's the namespace Book of Esther goes in.
  • Quotes that don't fit imho
    • The Ramsay Snow quote in the literature folder is too vague and understated for a character like this
    • The Nyarlathotep quote doesn't fit standards established upthread.
    • The second The Wardstone Chronicles quote is another overly-long conversation. I don't have context for this series, but it could be cut down to
    Grimalkin: Why did you kill my child?
    The Fiend: Our child, Grimalkin! Our child! I did it because I could. I also did it to hurt you! I did it because I could not suffer it to live! Grown to manhood, that child would have become my deadly enemy, and a dangerous one too. But now another has replaced him Ė the boy called Thomas Ward. I will destroy him as well. I cannot allow him to become a man. He must die too, just like your child. Firstly, I will do it because I can! Secondly, to prevent him destroying me. Thirdly, to hurt you, Grimalkin. Because without him your last hope of revenge will be gone!
    • The Blackburn and Pedro conversation should be cut way down, but I'm not sure which parts to keep
    • All of the The Legendary Starfy examples feel more like generic villainry than CM moments
    • The conversation between Acree and Silas establishes Silas as being cold and unfeeling, but not a CM
Not a conclusive list, just stuff that jumped out at me.

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ElfenLiedFan90 Ultimate Best Girl!!! from Jakarta,Indonesia Relationship Status: THIS CONCEPT OF 'WUV' CONFUSES AND INFURIATES US!
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Apr 19th 2019 at 3:43:47 PM

I'm gonna swing in once in a blue moon but I have to admit that I do add several of the quotes that seems unfit :/ Sorry if I did the action in the past.

Anyways, to participate, when putting these quotes on the morgue? Honestly you can cut the quotes from Nagito Akashi because it feels very wall-of-texty or Snark because it can be placed on The Dreaded. Please let me know what are your thoughts on it.

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papyru30 The Powerfu Popula Prestigiou Papyru from Colorado Relationship Status: Hooked on a feeling
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Apr 20th 2019 at 12:00:47 AM

OK so this thread doesn't loose control I'm going to recommend we work from the top down in chunks, that way all quotes are looked at and we do so in a timely manner. I'll be keeping a list on my own.

"I won't kill you because you're my precious specimen. The one I'll kill should be your girlfriend. There are many ways to kill her, but it would be boring if she died instantly. Let me see... Should I burn her to death? It seems interesting. I haven't witnessed something like the execution of the witches in a long time. The fire will also spread from the bottom, so you can see her desperation. Ah! There's also the scream!"
Sara Warren taunting the hero, Rokumichi, about how she will torture his love interest in the final battle, Amalgam of Distortion
  • This one sounds good to me.

Shira: (You) ought to be..."Tai-Tai", yeah? Heh, scored with that one, didn't I?
Magatsu Taito: Y-You scum! You didn't know (me) for sure?
Shira: Not until now. So, THAT was your little sweetie. Too skinny, but an okay piece of ass.
Magatsu: You're screwing with me. A bastard like you doesn't remember everyone he kills.
Shira: True enough, but I remember THAT one...that was the last bitch I ever screwed. So, yeah, I remember. I did her before I "did" her. Spare me the shock. She was a WHORE. Spreading her legs was her BUSINESS, yeah? For anybody who had the cash. Heh heh. Hey, kid, wanna hear a cool trick? Normally I ain't interested in screwing, see? Too boring. But lemme tell ya a secret. Get inside 'em, THEN start cutting them up! Get it? When ya cut bitches where it HURTS, first the muscles go limp, and then they all tighten up. THOSE muscles, too, kiddo. Heh heh heh. Think about it. YOU'RE a guy. There's nothing like it, man! Now, hey, I ain't no serial killer. I don't do it that way every time. Your girl? She was only number FIVE on the hit parade. THAT'S WHY I REMEMBER HER! GYAH HAH HAH!!!
  • Like I said cut down to when he says "hey kid"

"Congratulations! Now, you'll all be like me! The despair of losing someone you love... You'll have despairful emotional systems that let you get drunk with ecstasy on that despair! You'll seek out despair without end, and become the ones who will stain this world, with despair, the Super High School-Level Despairs!"
Junko Enoshima after brainwashing Class 77-B and executing Chiaki Nanami, Danganronpa 3
  • I have to say no since it's not clear what she's talking about.

Westcott: It is an honor to meet you, Princess. No... Yatogami Tohka, right? I am Isaac Westcott from D.E.M Industries. Iíll be in your care...
Tohka: You bastard...
Westcott: Ellen... I wonder why she hates me... What I did wrong in my introduction...?
Ellen: The methods you have used were not particularly pleasant if you wanted her approval.
Tohka: Were you the one behind all this?! What are you after?! What it is your aim?!
Westcott: My aim...hm...Ah! Yes. That would actually be very simple. I want your powers as Spirit to turn the ways of the world upside down.... In order to topple the restraints of this world and unleash total chaos.
Tohka: What in the world?
Westcott: But you existence in this world is stable. I wonder what I have to do to make you despair?
Tohka: What you are talking about?
Westcott: To hate this world, to hate humans. Even the strongest Angel isnít capable of filling the hole in your heart. You can only rely on external assistance beyond that of an Angel. How is it possible for you to enter that state? Looking through the AST records, there was a time when you were indeed near such a stage...What exactly happened then?
Tohka: You are insane...
Westcott: Any ideas, Ellen? *sigh* —I say, Ellen. Maybe it would be faster if we increased the physical torture on her? Letís start off with electrocution. And then decrease the oxygen concentration in the room, and observe her reaction. Maybe we can also try changing the air pressure. If those fail, then letís chip her nails away, and her fingers... ah, right, maybe we can grind out her teeth too. The pain felt by the nervous system will be unbearable by then. A Spiritís body is much more resilient than a human... try feeding her poison. Ah, in that case, we should also give her tranquilizers. And then, yes, you're a virgin? How do you feel about your own chastity? The pain you will feel when we completely destroy and defile your dignity you have as a woman. In the long time youíve spent in this world, have you had any friends or loved ones? If we were to kill a loved one in front of you, how would you feel? I would love to see one of them dying before your eyes to see the results.
Isaac Westcott meeting Tohka Yatogami, Date A Live
  • Cut down to the last paragraph.

"Heard that, Shido feel the Spirits taking their breath. Shido feel the incongruous feeling from Westcott since from the day he first met him. He feel that this feeling is expanding. Westcott's nature could not be described in just cruel or brutal but rather 'abnormal'. The truth of the vague fear he feel from Westcott is not a fear towards someone with power, but rather towards someone without compassion, kindness and without a shred of humanity."
Shido Itsuka describing Isaac Westcott, Date A Live
  • I'n not to sure here

"It was finally revealed. Westcott was not abnormal, not even insane. He was an extreme human being to the greatest extent. However, in terms of ethics he stood from a completely different from all humanity, with a viewpoint on life and death incompatible with other human beings. He was a human. But... What makes a human and a monster?"
The Author giving his final word about Isaac Westcott, ''Date A Live'
  • I have to say no due to not meeting the standard I proposed.

Edited by papyru30 on Apr 20th 2019 at 1:05:15 PM

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ElfenLiedFan90 Ultimate Best Girl!!! from Jakarta,Indonesia Relationship Status: THIS CONCEPT OF 'WUV' CONFUSES AND INFURIATES US!
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Apr 20th 2019 at 6:49:39 AM

This one can be cut IMO

Gren: I looked up to you. I believed in you.
Vicious: There was nothing to look up to. There was no me to believe in.

This sounds more like a Straw Nihilist than a CM. But I'll let you do the rest Papyru

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papyru30 The Powerfu Popula Prestigiou Papyru from Colorado Relationship Status: Hooked on a feeling
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Apr 20th 2019 at 11:28:01 AM

  • Actually I think it may be good if we maybe split work on each folder among ourselves. I'll take the Amine folder and maybe Elfen or someone else can take the comic book folder and so on. It will take ages if it's only me.

"In the end, you're nothing more than a crazy serial killer. That's all you are. Nothing more, and nothing less."
Near to Light Yagami/Kira, Death Note
  • This doesn't meet the absolute part of the standard.

"Humans are my nourishment. For a demon, it is not a crime to eat living beings....However...killing other living beings is a sin! Isn't it? That's why I ate them without killing them!...Kah Kah Kah Kah! Don't you think they're happy to have been eaten by me?!!!"
Jinmen, Devilman
  • This one's pretty good I'll say.

"Each one represents an ETERNITY OF SUFFERING AND MISERY! I LOVE to hear them suffering...even if you do it slowly, don't ya think?"
Jinmen, Devilman
  • This doesn't meet the absolute part of the standard in my opinion

"I doubt I need an introduction, but just in case, I am the mighty Frieza and yes, all the horrible stories you've heard are true."
  • This doesn't meet the absolute part of the standard in my opinion

Edited by papyru30 on Apr 20th 2019 at 12:30:46 PM

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Libraryseraph Take my revolution! from Canada Relationship Status: Longing for Dulcinea
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Apr 20th 2019 at 1:19:11 PM

Thinking about it some more, I'll be busy enough the next week that i probably shouldn't reserve a folder, so never mind

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Apr 20th 2019 at 2:04:23 PM

I've done some work on the Quotes Morgue. What I've done is added sections. When a quote gets removed, either I or somebody else will move it to the appropriate section.

I've also taken the liberty of adding some previously removed quotes to the Quotes Morgue. Maybe I'll add quotes rejected by the cleanup threads while I'm at it.

Edited by ImperialMajestyXO on Apr 20th 2019 at 2:11:06 AM

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ElfenLiedFan90 Ultimate Best Girl!!! from Jakarta,Indonesia Relationship Status: THIS CONCEPT OF 'WUV' CONFUSES AND INFURIATES US!
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Apr 20th 2019 at 4:10:49 PM

@Imperial Majesty XO I think its a pretty good idea says I.

Not sure if I'll be much of a help

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papyru30 The Powerfu Popula Prestigiou Papyru from Colorado Relationship Status: Hooked on a feeling
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Apr 20th 2019 at 11:26:55 PM

  • When did we decide to remove the chairman Drek quote? I think it fits the standard very well.

Piccolo: You've managed to power up even more than I'd imagined. How many thousands of innocent lives did you have to sacrifice, Cell?
Cell: Oh? Heh. A few. Though I'd say they should all feel honored. I've made them one with perfection.
Dragon Ball Z, "Run, Android 17! Piccolo's All-Or-Nothing Struggle!"
  • This doesn't meet the absolute standard in my opinion.

"I thought Dr. Gero only meant for me to defeat the Earth, but I know now I was designed for much more. Once I'm finished tearing this world into pieces, I'll just use Goku's Instant Transmission technique to move onto other planets. That is my destiny. I am the universe's end!"
Cell, Dragon Ball Z
  • This one's pretty good I think.

"A little killing spree is in order!"
Babidi, Dragon Ball Z
  • doesn't meet the absolute standard

"I'm not interested in fairness. I'm interested in the extinction of every living creature on this planet!"
Super Buu, Dragon Ball Z
  • doesn't meet the absolute standard in my opinion

"He told me that he has already destroyed a number of planets and their peoples. Although I've been fighting him for one year, there's hardly any humans remaining on the planet."
Future Trunks describing Goku Black, Dragon Ball Super
  • doesn't meet the absolute standard in my opinion

"The gods of millions of planets scattered across the universe, Lord of worlds in all four directions, Supreme Kais in all 12 universes, and the Gods of Destruction, they are all unnecessary! Every single intelligent life that isn't myself shall be terminated!"
Fusion Zamasu, Dragon Ball Super
  • doesn't meet the absolute standard in my opinion

Sidra: Do you really wish to betray your own universe? Even if it means its obliteration?
Frieza: Yes, and what of it?
Ro: How could you? Even the most despicable of villains has something which they hold dear and wish to protect! A loved one? Cherished memories? A precious place from one's childhood, even?
Frieza: Excuse me, my good man: I simply do not understand what it is that you are prattling about.
  • I'm not too sure about this one, I don't think it sticks bu I'm not sure.

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