Edit: I've created the index. So far I've added only those pages that have mandatory waiting periods already in effect.
It's been brought up in a few places recently (most notably in this ATT thread
) that we have a few tropes / Audience Reactions / etc. that have mandatory waiting periods before being added. The suggestion has been made— which I tend to agree with— that some sort of index to keep track of which tropes have waiting periods and what those periods are would be helpful.
Besides what's already on the index, we've got:
- Specific Mandatory Waiting Period Suggested:
- Critical Dissonance - Brought up here as being too early to call on release weekend. Fighteer suggests a one-month mandatory waiting period on all similar "reception tropes."
- Overshadowed by Controversy - a 6-month mandatory waiting period has been suggested but not agreed upon yet
- The Scrappy - Due to its close association with Base-Breaking Character and its status as a complaining magnet, has been suggested for a 6-month waiting period in this thread.
- Critical Dissonance - Brought up here
- No specific waiting period has been suggested, but adding it too early has caused problems:
- Eight Deadly Words - It was suggested here that the below should apply to this as well
- So Bad, It's Good - Fighteer noted here that the weekend of release was too early to apply tropes like these
- So Okay, It's Average - see above
- Eight Deadly Words - It was suggested here
Template tag for work pages:
%% Per Administrivia/NoRecentExamplesPlease, do not add [Trope] until [X] months/days/weeks after the episode's release (Month Date, Year).
Use this date calculator to add the amount of months/days/weeks in accordance to No Recent Examples, Please!.
- As mentioned here, the consensus is that NREP warnings in trope page descriptions can use bold text so that they stand out.
Edited by Mrph1 on Jan 23rd 2024 at 9:41:59 AM
Yeah I honestly want to keep those examples, this should prove that such changes will take a long time to become the new normal
AVGN:
- Show Debut: Apr 8, 2006
- Theme Song Debut: Sep 1, 2006
- Theme Song Change: May 28, 2021note
- Theme Song End: Aug 20, 2021note
- Latest Episode: Apr 28, 2023
Game Theory
- Show Debut: Apr 18, 2011
- Theme Song Debut: Aug 17, 2011
- Theme Song End: Apr 17, 2021
- Latest Episode: May 13, 2023
Edited by randomtroper89 on May 19th 2023 at 10:09:53 AM
The bolded was added to the commented out note under EndOfAnAge.Real Life.
IMPORTANT NOTE BEFORE EDITING: Please wait at least five years before adding a recent example. Any time beforehand is too soon to judge if it qualifies for this trope. However, some events are such obvious markers for this trope (e.g. the death of Elizabeth II) that they can qualify regardless of timing. The vast majority of more recent examples, however, will be terminated with extreme prejudice... for 5 years.
But the Elizabeth II example was recently cut citing the 5 year rule. Am I right in assuming the note should be reverted as the change was unilateral?
i'm at the combination she and it
since its sister tropes Even Better Sequel and Surprisingly Improved Sequel are now NREP, i'd also like to suggest Remade and Improved to have the same six month time limit
Edited by NoUsername on May 21st 2023 at 9:17:48 AM
he/him
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Agreed, and looks like it's now been rightly reverted by another troper (~Tylerbear12).
The addition seems unilateral and the troper who added it has no relevant forum posts discussing it.
Sounds reasonable to me.
he/him
Revisiting this - NREP warning note now added to Even Better Sequel, Surprisingly Improved Sequel and First Installment Wins, mirroring the rules GastonRabbit added to No Recent Examples, Please!.
I've said "third installment" on First Installment Wins, as there's some "franchise with three Sequel or Spinoff series can consider each one an installment" guidance in the existing description and if there are only two installments, the other sequel tropes may apply instead.
Conscious there was further discussion about this point on the thread - if there's a consensus to change it and make the NREP page rule more specific, we can always amend the trope page to match.
One related question - if the fourth or later installment is considered more successful, disqualifying First Installment Wins, I assume we also wait six months before cutting the example, for all the same reasons? If so, we should probably add that as well.
Edited by Mrph1 on May 22nd 2023 at 9:44:24 AM
Mweheheh
Is Ignored Expert a plausible candidate for historical examples only? A lot of the contemporary examples (e.g. about Trump & Fauci) seem a bit ROCEJ-y.
Peace is the only battle worth waging.
he/him
So, say, a twenty year limit on Real Life examples, no restriction on in-universe examples?
Edit: Although even with that, global warming will be a hard one to police. And Fauci also gets namechecked for HIV comments in the 1980s.
Edited by Mrph1 on May 22nd 2023 at 8:59:57 PM
Mweheheh
Maybe make it 50, which would cover global warming & AIDS.
One-Track Mind (he/him)
I propose Porting Disaster is added to NREP. Earlier today I took one of the examples to the "Is this an example" thread on Trope Talk and was told it was a knee-jerk reaction, so I removed it. I'm certain there are several other examples that are knee-jerk reactions as well. I don't know how long the wait should be, however.
he/him
We've been using six months for the various inferior/superior sequel and adaption tropes. That might be a good starting point for discussion on this one.
Given the nature of the trope, it sounds as if it needs to be enough time for people to play through the game end-to-end, hit the bugs and spot the omissions. Six months also allows enough time for any day2 fixes to be deployed.
On a related note - Trivia and YMMV can't be played with, but the steer on some Trivia tropes (e.g. Keep Circulating the Tapes) has been that if it's valid for long enough to be listed, but is eventually resolved, we can leave it on the page and update the example to state that it was an issue until something changed.
Edit: Fixed ref in final para which was talking about Trivia when it should be YMMV
Edited by Mrph1 on Jun 4th 2023 at 10:12:34 AM
One-Track Mind (he/him)
Ok, six months it is then. Now I need help in developing what to write for the crowner option.
EDIT: I figured it out and put it in the crowner.
Edited by JHD0919 on May 23rd 2023 at 7:45:50 AM
I'm lovin' it. (My Troper Wall)
One-Track Mind (he/him)
As of posting this, the only vote on the aforementioned Porting Disaster crowner option is an upvote from myself. Looking back I shouldn't have been so quick to put the option on there without discussing it with more than just one troper.
I'm lovin' it. (My Troper Wall)
I missed that it was added. Voting up because I agree with the logic.
The Man Outside Reality
A wait period for Porting Disaster isn't a bad idea, but I think six months is a bit much. If it were me, I'd shorten it down to 3 months.
Trust no one.
One-Track Mind (he/him)
I disagree. I think 3 months is not enough time.
he/him
I suggested six as that seems to be our standard for tropes regarding sequels and adaptations, and porting can be treated as a very specific adaptation.
Also conscious that some things have horrible day one bugs that get fixed pretty quickly, so this might help to ensure only the lasting failures get listed?
Not strongly attached to a particular limit, though
I think the utility of listing an example after 3 months vs 6 is outweighed by the consistency of a flat 6-months for adaptation/sequel YMMV.
On No Recent Examples, Please!, would it better to precise for First Installment Wins "(6 months after the third installment)"
he/him
And a six month delay before cutting examples that no longer qualify due to a new, better installment.
Edited by Mrph1 on May 26th 2023 at 7:02:17 PM
he/him
Do you think Critic-Proof would benefit from a short NREP rule?
I'm seeing some examples listed for episodic works that are still in progress, and not sure how I feel about that.
Critic-Proof is a good example of something that would be well served by a short limit. A couple weeks to a month should be enough.
Returning to Ignored Expert, I think 20 years (if not even less) is fine. The intent of NREP is to keep knee-jerk reactions and hot-button political issues away, and 20 years would accomplish that.
~Spinosegnosaurus 77, why do you think it needs to go all the way to 50? You say it's to cover global warming and AIDS, but the former is an ongoing issue and would be covered by any NREP rule while the latter isn't really controversial anymore and hasn't been for 25+ years. (The examples may be badly written, but that doesn't mean they're not valid as topics.)
Edited by RallyBot2 on May 27th 2023 at 11:14:30 AM
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Critic-Proof is close to Critical Dissonance, which has a one-month waiting period for most works (after the theatrical run for films, or after the season for television). In theory, the same waiting periods should apply to Critic-Proof as well, especially given that it's also the inverse of Acclaimed Flop (which also has a waiting period for initial runs).
he/him
We might want some guidance for episodic works that don't have seasons, though.
(Comics, webcomics, soap operas etc.)
That's been a grey area on NREP for several other tropes.
Forthe sake of formality, should Development Hell (and Saved from Development Hell) have a waiting period?
For example the remake of Prince of Persia: The Sands of Time was announced over two years ago to be released on "January 21, 2021". This has been indefinitely delayed and it's apparently back to "conception phase" according to a recent interview.
Internet works are always very complicated with these things.
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