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SatoshiBakura    Remember freedom?    from    The Shadow Realm    Relationship Status: You cannot grasp the true form
   Remember freedom?   
43110 36 styles of danger from the Brooklyn zoo Relationship Status: Getting away with murder
miraculous The Wizard from south africa
The Wizard
Dec 4th 2018 at 10:44:26 PM


"They could kill me, but they couldn't have me. I was my own"
JoeBlitz Zander Flash, Master of Disaster
Zander Flash, Master of Disaster
Dec 4th 2018 at 10:54:42 PM

[tup] to Settra.

"Now I have a machine gun. Ho ho ho."
G-Editor Hobbs & Shaw from Skewl Relationship Status: Above such petty unnecessities
Dec 5th 2018 at 12:54:53 AM

[tup] To Setra

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PolarPhantom Relationship Status: Longing for my OTP
Dec 5th 2018 at 9:44:37 AM

[tup] Settra who seems amazing.

Darkness rises and Light to meet it.
Dec 5th 2018 at 10:00:58 AM

Hey. So there's a Magnificent Bastard entry under the YMMV page for Teen Titans Go! To the Movies. I recently updated it with a couple of tropes and a little more clarity to some of them. I also added a spoiler tag because of how he counts as one. It can stay right?

Dec 5th 2018 at 11:03:20 AM

[up] Yes. I did his effort post and he was approved.

Lightysnake Thanks a lot.
Thanks a lot.
Dec 5th 2018 at 11:08:15 AM

Sidenote: Anyone here ever play Nioh? There's a potential I'd like to discuss

The oracle, the seer, the wit. No question that I am it.
Dec 5th 2018 at 11:17:14 AM

[tup] to Kurt Hendricks and Settra the Impresishable.

Dec 5th 2018 at 12:58:24 PM

I'm honestly surprised no else voted for my EP on Baron Zemo. So far, only 43110 voted on him and it was a [tdown]. I'd like a bit more feedback before deciding if he counts or not.

But with that out of the way, it's time for my second candidate from The Avengers: Earth's Mightiest Heroes!. This candidate hails from the second season and the mastermind behind the story-arc driving the first half of the season.

Who Is She and What Does She Do?

Queen Veranke is the ruler of the Skrull Empire and the Big Bad for the Secret Invasion arc in the second season. Once ruling from the Skrull homeworld, her people were devastated when Galactus came and devoured the entire planet. Although the Skrulls survived, they were currently locked in a war with the Kree without a strategic base of operations. Veranke led the Skrulls to Earth based on an ancient prophecy. It told of a planet that not only had plentiful resources, but was also in a key position to create wormholes for travelling across the cosmos. Not wanting to risk an all-out invasion, Queen Veranke instead had her people infiltrate key institutions on Earth using their shapeshifting abilities. These included factions like SHIELD, HYDRA, AIM, the Avengers, and various other governments, superhero teams, and criminal organizations. Veranke herself participated in this Secret Invasion, having disguised herself as SHIELD agent Mockingbird. She had the real deal sent to a Skrull prison satellite along with everyone else who had been replaced.

Nick Fury became aware of the Skrull threat after a mission by Hawkeye and Mockingbird revealed that Madame Viper had been replaced. He chose Mockingbird as one of his confidants in his hunt for the Skrulls, unaware that she had been replaced. After Fury learned that one of the Skrulls had infiltrated the Avengers, Veranke convinced him that Madame Viper had a Skrull replace Hawkeye during their confrontation. This was to throw suspicion off the real Skrull spy, who had replaced Captain America. When Fury informed Iron Man about the potential Skrull among his ranks, Tony accusations lead to the departure of many of his teammates. This left the Skrull Captain America in charge of the remaining Avengers.

After the Skrull's prisoners escaped in a breakout arranged by Captain America, Queen Veranke was far from disappointed. The breakout proved Captain America could unite people from different backgrounds for a common cause. He would be the perfect man to convince humanity to surrender to the Skrulls as they began their invasion. As the Skrull fleets began moving in, Fury realized Mockingbird was a Skrull because she never told him that SHIELD had taken the Hulk into custody. Veranke took out Fury and the rest of his teammates, including disabling Tony's armor thanks to intel gathered by the Captain America Skrull. The spies among Earth's ranks planted explosives that took out key targets, like the SHIELD Helicarrier, the Damocles, and Avengers Mansion.

After receiving no word from her invasion force in Wakanda, Veranke realized the remaining Avengers must've taken care of them. She ordered the Skrull Captain America to divert the Avengers to Washington, so her forces there could ambush them and hold them captive. Before she could finish off Nick Fury, Maria Hill tracked down his location and forced her to retreat. She eventually arrived in Washington, where the Skrull Captain America had just finished his broadcast about how humanity should surrender to the Skrulls. That's when Captain America, Iron Man, and Thor arrived to stop the Skrulls once and for all. Realizing their plan to have humanity surrender was compromised, Veranke activated her failsafe. She had her spies in AIM activate a satellite array that would transmit a frequency that would kill every single human on the planet. Thor flew into Earth's orbit and destroyed the satellites, allowing the Avengers to foil the Skrull invasion. Veranke could only watch on confusion as the prophecy was ultimately proven wrong, and she and her followers were placed in suspended animation within Prison 42.

Is She Charming, Charismatic, and Good on Her Feet?

Veranke has the loyal following of her subjects and never shows them any disrespect. She's able to keep appearances as Mockingbird and was able to infiltrate Fury's Secret Warriors despite his mistrust of his peers. Her initial plan involved her subjects using subterfuge instead of raw force to take over the planet and very few people were aware of the Skrull's presence until they started their invasion in full-force. She's able to pick up on how people rally around Captain America and incorporated that into her scheme to get humanity to surrender peacefully to her empire. Veranke never raises her voice even her talking to her enemies or her plans go awry. To closest time she loses her cool is right before her defeat, where she has trouble coming to grips that the prophecy she based her invasion on could be wrong. Her confidence in the prophecy may be her downfall, but she managed to accomplish a lot and nearly took down most of biggest institutions on the planet.

Is She a Bastard? Too Much of a Bastard?

Veranke's motivation is to find a new homeworld for her people, who devastated by a combination of Galactus and their war with the Kree Empire. Veranke never treats her followers cruelly and is willing to join their invasion on the front lines. But she still is an alien conqueror. She makes it very clear that she'll turn humanity into slaves once they surrender and is willing to kill those who do not submit to the Empire. As shown once the Avengers begin to resist, she doesn't hesitate in her plan to wipe out every human being on the planet, a plan that would've ultimately killed billions of people. She's also allows her prison to torture their prisoners, as she wants to know exactly how to make humans break. Needless to say, the Skrulls are not in service to humanity, no matter what the Skrull Captain America might say.


Veranke is able to outsmart several of the Marvel Universe's smartest minds. She planted a spy among the Avengers and no one suspected a thing for months. She worked under Nick Fury and by the time he realized the truth, it was far too late to stop the invasion. If Thor hadn't been on Earth in time, her plan to take over the Earth probably would've succeeded. Veranke managed to plant spies in several supervillain organizations, such as HYDRA and AIM. Doctor Doom was the one who ultimately found a way to detect the Skrulls, but he left all the fighting to the superheroes to handle. Veranke would've killed Nick Fury had Maria not used an LMD when the Skrulls destroyed the Helicarrier.


After what 43110 said about Zemo, I'm more hesitant regarding some of Veranke's nastier traits mitigating her Magnificence. After all, she did nearly wipe out humanity when they wouldn't submit to her. I feel she doesn't come across as prideful like Zemo and she definitely shows cunning and strategic planning required for this trope. I'll leave it to you guys, but I got a couple more candidates down the line, so stay tuned.

And seriously, I'd really appreciate some more votes on Zemo please.

Lightysnake Thanks a lot.
Thanks a lot.
Dec 5th 2018 at 12:59:50 PM

I think ultimately, I'm going to vote yea to both

The oracle, the seer, the wit. No question that I am it.
miraculous The Wizard from south africa
The Wizard
Dec 5th 2018 at 1:08:19 PM

Ill give them both a yes having seen it. They are impressive.

"They could kill me, but they couldn't have me. I was my own"
43110 36 styles of danger from the Brooklyn zoo Relationship Status: Getting away with murder
36 styles of danger
Dec 5th 2018 at 1:33:53 PM

I'll give a [tup] to both Baron Zemo and Queen Veranke.

SatoshiBakura    Remember freedom?    from    The Shadow Realm    Relationship Status: You cannot grasp the true form
   Remember freedom?   
G-Editor Hobbs & Shaw from Skewl Relationship Status: Above such petty unnecessities
Dec 5th 2018 at 2:42:32 PM

[tup] To both Zemo and The Queen.

Does Loki from the same series qualify despite him being a CM?

Edited by G-Editor on Dec 5th 2018 at 12:42:45 AM

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Dec 5th 2018 at 3:18:59 PM

I'll be discussing Loki soon enough. Right now, he's the only one who's listed as a Magnificent Bastard on the show's YMMV page, so I'll be doing an EP on him regardless. Expect it in the next day or two.

43110 36 styles of danger from the Brooklyn zoo Relationship Status: Getting away with murder
36 styles of danger
Dec 5th 2018 at 3:38:08 PM

Alright, what Joby was referring to was that he had updated the existing entry that Username did and what I need to know is are we allowing the update or can we just keep User's original? I need to know so I can get it and the locked page's version to match.

Whether or not we keep the actual text, the new edits added in a sink hole and are bringing the entry over limit on it's potholes, so that's gotta be fixed even if we keep the flow.

Edited by 43110 on Dec 5th 2018 at 6:39:49 AM

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lrrose Relationship Status: YOU'RE TEARING ME APART LISA
Dec 5th 2018 at 3:55:24 PM

[tup]Zemo and Verenke

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MasterJoseph Shipping FrolaytiaXQwenthur of Heavy Object. Relationship Status: Seeking boyfriend-free girl
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miraculous The Wizard from south africa
The Wizard
Dec 6th 2018 at 10:19:41 AM

@G-Editor : If memory serves me right of Earth's mightest. Next up shoild be Loki, Doctor Doom and Ultron. Tgoose were the Evil Genuis villains of the show. Red Skull as per usual is too much of a dick.

Edited by miraculous on Dec 6th 2018 at 10:20:04 AM

"They could kill me, but they couldn't have me. I was my own"
Dec 6th 2018 at 11:24:21 AM

[up] Well, you got at least one right.

Right now, the current tally is 7 [tup], 1 [tdown] for Zemo, and 8 [tup] for Veranke. My next candidate is ultimately responsible for almost everything that happened within the first season of the show. A god who is known to pull mischief every now and then:

Who Is He and What Does He Do?

Loki is the God of Mischief, Thor's evil step-brother, and the ultimate Big Bad of the first season. During a war between the Frost Giants and Asgard, Odin slayed Loki's father and took it upon himself to raise the young Frost Giant as his own. He grew up resenting Thor for having Odin's favor and was devastated when learned the truth about his heritage. Seeking the throne of Asgard for himself, he put a plan into motion to make sure his brother wouldn't interfere with his schemes. On Earth, Loki manipulated criminals such as the Wrecking Crew to create havoc, leading Thor to spend more time away from Asgard. He used this as leverage against Thor while disguised as Baldur and informed Odin that he was flaunting his powers for his own personal gain.

Behind Odin's back, Loki traveled to Jotunheim and warned the Frost Giants that Odin was planning an invasion on their realm. He convinced them that the only way to stop Odin was to launch a preemptive strike. Loki led a horde of Frost Giants against Asgard, laying waste to the realm until Thor defeated him and his army. He was soon brought before Odin and sentenced to spend an eternity on the Isle of Silence. Little did Odin realize that was his plan all along. With everyone on Asgard believing that he was now out of the way, he was now free to seize his opportunity to claim the Nine Realms for himself.

Loki's manipulations had led to a falling out between Thor and Odin, leaving Asgard without its strongest warrior. With the help of Amora the Enchantress and Skurge the Executioner, Loki escaped the Isle of Silence and arranged a mass break-out of all the supervillain prisons. This served as the perfect distraction to keep Thor on Earth. Loki worked from the shadows to keep his brother occupied as he sent Amora and Skurge to form the Masters of Evil. He also had Malekith the Accursed ressurected in a scheme that nearly started another ice age. Odin had entered the Odinsleep during this time, leaving him and Asgard vulnerable. Loki was able to steal Odin's power for himself by corrupting the Tree of Life and conquered most of the Nine Realms for himself, saving Earth for last. He ordered Amora and Skurge to use the Norn Stones to summon his armies to Earth while also using his powers to prevent Thor from returning to Asgard prematurely. The Avengers were able to foil his plans by destroying the Stones, but this ended up teleporting them across the different Realms. Thor was transported to Odin's throne room... where Loki was waiting.

Thor was put in chains and Loki prepared to have him executed along with the rest of those who remained loyal to Odin. However, the arrival of the Avengers put a halt to that plan. Loki summoned Hoarfen the Ice Wolf to defeat the Avengers, but Captain America's strategic thinking was able to take it down. Using the Odinforce, Loki swept through the Avengers and was about to finish them off before the arrival of Iron Man in his newly-forged armor. Iron Man distracted Loki while the Avengers freed Thor. The team split in two; one half to take care of Loki, while the other went to sever his connection to the Tree of Life. Loki began draining more of the Odinforce, which risked tearing all of the Nine Realms apart. Luckily, Ant-Man was able to uproot the Tree of Life, which sapped Loki of his powers and restored them to Odin. Loki remained defiant as Odin came to punish him, deciding on a fate worse than the Isle of Silence. And so, Loki was left entangled in the roots of a giant tree, where a giant serpent would drip venom in his eyes for the rest of eternity.

But eternity's a really long time, so Loki would make one final appearance afterwards. Amora paid him a visit after she had become a servant of Surtur and offered to set him free for a price. She had placed a spell over the Avengers that robbed them of their powers and told Loki that his freedom will be granted if he was able to destroy Thor. He agreed, and Amora placed his soul within the Destroyer, a living suit of armor that was also a powerful Asgardian weapon. Loki was transported to Earth in his new form, and he began hunting the Avengers through the subway tunnels. After defeating the Wrecking Crew, he cornered the Avengers within an abandoned part of the subways complex. Despite getting a few good hits on the Destroyer, Loki was able to easily overpower them. He promised Thor that after he was through killing him, he'd find a way to take Amora's new powers for himself and take over Earth and Asgard. Despite being powerless and crippled, Thor refused to give up and continued to fight his brother. That would prove to be Loki's undoing, as Amora's spell could only be broken once its targets learned the values of humility. The Avengers regained their powers and defeated the Destroyer by overloading it with electricity. Loki's soul returned to his body as Amora left him to his eternal torment for his failure.

Is He Charming, Charismatic, and Good on His Feet?

Loki is the ultimate mastermind behind almost all the major conflicts in the first season. The mass breakout of the supervillain prisons and the formation of the Masters of Evil are directly because of him, and anything that resulted from that can be placed on his shoulders. Loki is able to convince the Frost Giants to aid on his attack on Asgard, a suicidally bold maneuver that was designed to fail. Loki is easily able to take over Asgard and six other realms, all without attracting the attention of Thor. And he was able to amass quite the army for himself, as many realms such as Jotunheim seem to follow him by choice.

Now, once Loki had the Odinforce, he mostly relies on that to deal with the Avengers, but that's really all he needs. Had Ant-Man not uprooted the Tree of Life, he probably would've won. Albeit, after taking down most of the Nine Realms down with him. He also remains Defiant to the End once Odin arrives to punish him... which in hindsight was probably a bad idea considering his ultimate fate. His biggest flaw was underestimating the might of the Avengers, as he didn't think a bunch of mortals could pose a threat to his rule. But when the fight did come to him, he proved more than a match for them. He even kicked the Hulk's butt! That just seems wrong.

Is He a Bastard? Too Much of a Bastard?

Like Zemo, Loki is currently listed as a Complete Monster, and for good reason. Loki despises Odin for slaying his father, but we don't see much in the way of him being neglected or abused. Loki barely hides his contempt towards his family and takes great pleasure at any chance he can get to kill his brother. He shown to be willing to betray those who are his allies and doesn't care if the realms he's conquered are destroyed, so long as he can get his vengeance against his brother. And that's not even going into how he was planning to execute any Asgardian who opposed his rule.

Is there anything that really tempers this? Well, he keeps his focus of his sadism on Thor for the most part. And Amora pointed out that even he wasn't crazy enough to risk getting involved with Surtur. Loki mostly remains behind the shadows for most of the show, and only really shows his nasty colors once he has the power he's craved for so long. His guile is definitely on its A-game for the first season, and very little proved to be a threat to his rule.


Loki is the Greater-Scope Villain of the show, so he has many villains doing his bidding without them even realizing it. Even Zemo was ultimately doing his dirty work by forming the Masters of Evil. I mentioned that Zemo almost derailed Loki's plans by claiming his armies for his own, but had not done that, Loki almost certainly would've conquered Earth without leaving Asgard. That could be considered to be Amora's fault, since she was the one who recruited Zemo in the first place.

Now, in the second season, Loki is really not in a position to take advantage over others. If he wants his freedom, he had to do what Amora asked of him and she's the one who's pulling Loki's strings in that episode. Even then, Loki admits he plans to betray her once he's set free and claim her power for his own. How he was planning to do that is unclear, but it shows he wasn't going to let her push him around for much longer.


Another one I'm torn on. Loki is one of the smartest and devious villains in the show. He's The Chessmaster behind almost every conflict and has orchestrated the conquest of several realms before the Avengers realize he's even involved. But's he also opportunistic and uncaring about the lives he puts in harm's way for his quest for vengeance. He straddles the line of being confident in his abilities and being a bit unhinged. I lean toward keeping him, but I'll let the thread decide again.

I have one last candidate from the show lined up, and I guess I'll also discuss the other villains who I considered, but passed on for one reason or another.

lrrose Relationship Status: YOU'RE TEARING ME APART LISA
Dec 6th 2018 at 11:40:18 AM


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G-Editor Hobbs & Shaw from Skewl Relationship Status: Above such petty unnecessities
Dec 6th 2018 at 11:44:14 AM

[tup] to Loki

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