FanPreferredCouple Cleanup

Yeah, but as it stands now. Is one party having a one-sided love for a separate character from their most popular pairing enough to call creator preferred?

Edited by Bullman on Feb 15th 2021 at 2:58:42 PM

I kind of wanna say if they're shown as completely devoted to that one character without much in the way of Ship Tease with the person people prefer them with, it can count.

Yeah, if it's clear that the creators are not deliberately feeding the FPC (at least, not particularly more than other ships) and it's still popular in spite of things, then it does count in spirit.

Edited by AlleyOop on Feb 15th 2021 at 4:07:26 AM

Wow we have had a lot more traction these last few days, then we have had in a while.

Anyways yeah Sherlock is very attached to Irene/Moriarty, even calling her the love of his life post reveal. Still most fans ship him with Joan, and it's pretty much one-sided between him and Irene.

Edited by Bullman on Feb 15th 2021 at 3:14:25 AM

In my opinion, that's enough to count, even if Irene doesn't reciprocate. As long as it's not clear that her lack of reciprocation due to a desire by the creators to set him on the path of ending up with Joan (since Lying Creator can be a thing).

Nope. She is just not interested in him. Besides him being her intellectual equal, which she also feels toward Joan.

Edited by Bullman on Feb 15th 2021 at 5:08:48 AM

Then yes, I think that counts.

Cool I will rewrite the entry later.

Edited by Bullman on Feb 15th 2021 at 5:34:22 AM

Totally not surprised that Angela/Nanette have an FPC interest and I don’t think the negative response to the show itself really hurts that either. Plenty of bad works I’m sure get the FPC treatment.

From what I can tell or read, the Star Wars stuff sounds on point.

I’ll trust the judgments on any and all Sherlock-type entries.

Edited by futuremoviewriter on Feb 15th 2021 at 8:37:27 AM

Yeah, I know plenty of bad works have entries. Hello BvS, and hello John Tucker Must Die. But there's bad, an there's infamous. Which is where I'm worried. I might whip up an entry to see how it looks.

Edited by Bullman on Feb 16th 2021 at 11:00:21 AM

Again, I don’t think it’s a problem. The show definitely has many, many detractors, but that doesn’t mean it’s not appropriate to give it an entry though.

I myself acknowledge today that while the show probably isn’t good, I enjoyed it back then and maybe can be a bit impressed by the WTF factor too.

I mean it definitely still has a fanbase. It's also one of those rare fandoms made up mostly of one ship.

Okay how's this for Elementary:

• Elementary: Joan and Sherlock is the most popular ship overall. Repeated Ship Sinking by Word of God doesn't deter the shippers much. Mainly due to their chemistry, and the show. Not mention it being a version of the already popular Holmes/Watson pairing. While Sherlock is in love with Irene, even after the reveal she's Moriarty, most fans continued to ship him with Joan instead. On both, the pairing remains popular on sites like Archive of Our Own, Fanfiction Dot Net, and Tumblr.

Any suggestions?

Edited by Bullman on Feb 16th 2021 at 5:10:36 AM

Not bad though I'd reorganize it a little. How's this:

• Elementary: As is typical of most Sherlock Holmes adaptations, (Joan) Watson and Sherlock Holmes are the most popular ship overall due to their strong chemistry together, and in spite of repeated Ship Sinking by the creators. While Sherlock is in love with Irene, even after the reveal she's Moriarty, most fans prefer to ship him with Joan instead, as evidenced by all the support they receive on sites like Archive of Our Own, Fanfiction Dot Net, and Tumblr.

Unless there's something more notable to it or unless another editor contests, listing every site they're big on probably isn't strictly necessary.

I like that one. I mean I personally don't think every site needs to be listed. So maybe just remove the FF.Net mention.

Edited by Bullman on Feb 16th 2021 at 7:36:01 AM

So something like this?

• Elementary: As is typical of most Sherlock Holmes adaptations, (Joan) Watson and Sherlock Holmes are the most popular ship overall due to their strong chemistry together, and in spite of repeated Ship Sinking by the creators. While Sherlock is in love with Irene, even after the reveal she's Moriarty, most fans prefer to ship him with Joan instead, as evidenced by all the support they receive on sites like Archive of Our Own and Tumblr.

Fair, although as I mentioned earlier that unless it's especially notable (e.g. Johnlock is the second most popular pairing on all of AO 3), you don't even need to mention specific sites at all.

How's this?

• Elementary: As is typical of most Sherlock Holmes adaptations, (Joan) Watson and Sherlock Holmes are the most popular ship overall due to their strong chemistry together, and in spite of repeated Ship Sinking by the creators. While Sherlock is in love with Irene, even after the reveal she's Moriarty, most fans prefer to ship him with Joan instead, as evidenced by all the support they receive on fanfiction sites.

Edited by Bullman on Feb 17th 2021 at 1:35:35 PM

Yeah if you want you can just go ahead with that, it's up to you.

I will put it up later. Thanks for the help.

I removed the Buffy examples. I will do what else we decided needs to be cut when I can. I have to rest for a bit. Just had a surgery yesterday. So don't expect me to be here much in the upcoming weeks.

Edited by Bullman on Feb 19th 2021 at 1:33:10 PM

From the FFXIII series:

Final Fantasy XIII

• Fan-Preferred Couple:
  • Hope/Lightning, or Hoprai. The two have plenty of tender moments which serve to bring out Lightning's kinder side and help draw Hope out of his depression when few others can. Due to the age gap, the game is obviously presenting these two as having a Parental Substitute dynamic, but that doesn't stop some fans. Then the sequels happened and Hope got aged up to actually be a couple years older than Lightning, and the popularity of the ship skyrocketed.
  • Although a minority, there are some who ship Hope/Vanille, based mainly upon their optional scene on Gran Pulse, among other small interactions across the story. Although the age gap is a bit questionable at first, this is resolved in later games.
  • For the fans that hate Hope or aren't into little boys, Fang/Lightning ("Flight") is the ship of choice for the two; boasting the most amount of comments/highest views for fanfiction. Being two beautiful and powerful women with some of the most developed character arcs and significant roles in the story definitely helped.
  • Also Fang/Vanille, thanks to so much subtext that most of the fanbase chooses to consider it plain text.
  • Gadot is always paired with Snow amongst the gay fandom.
  • Amusingly, Serah and Snow—the only canon couple—is not particularly well-liked by a majority of fans. There is no real hate about the pairing, but no particular like either. An oft-cited reason is just how uncomplimentary the two seem together — Snow's massive frame and boisterous demeanor with Serah's positively petite physique and demure personality can leave the two coming across as a big brother looking out for his frail little sister, more than the loving couple they're supposed to be. On top of this is the unavoidable problem of the two already being deeply in love with one another (they just got engaged), which leaves the audience no chance to see why the two love each other so much. On top of all that, Serah spends the majority of the game as a crystal statue, preventing the audience from seeing her relationship with Snow play out either.

Final Fantasy XIII-2

• Fan-Preferred Couple:
  • It was pretty large in XIII, but now that Hope has aged-up, oh, ten years, expect Hoprai shippers to be royally pissed if Lightning and he don't get together now that the can avoid otherwise squicky implications. Hilariously, by the time they actually get together in the next game, Hope is 14 again.
  • Noel and Serah shippers seem to be popping up everywhere as well, mostly due to the fact Snow left Serah in New Bodhum to look for Lightning and they work pretty well together during their travels.

Lightning Returns: Final Fantasy XIII

• Fan-Preferred Couple: Still Lightning/Hope; people who are against Lolicon and Shotacon are disappointed that Hope is de-aged to 14, though. A lot of the game seems to outright tease that this may even be canon; while Lightning's feelings are ambigious, it's very heavily hinted that Hope loves Lightning, probably in a romantic sense.

• Hope/Lightning and Fang/Vanille should be cut, since both pairs are Implied Love Interests and have no other possible romantic options, so they cannot qualify as FPC by default. AO3 and FFN both show Fang/Lightning as a more popular ship, anyway.
• Hope/Vanille. Same as above. The entry even admits that it's a minor ship.
• Gadot/Snow. Virtually non-existent in the websites I come across. Snow/Serah, which is the Official Couple, is still the most popular ship involving both characters. I don't think Gadot has a Canon love interest, given that he's such a minor character.
• The bullet complaining about Snow/Serah not being well-liked should be removed on the grounds of complaining.
• Noel/Serah could stay. Even if it's not popular than Snow/Serah, it's still (I think) more popular than the canon Noel/Yeul.

Not sure how to actually parse the entry though. Especially for characters that appear in all three games. Do we have to write the entry in each of the YMMV pages, or just mention them in the first game they were introduced in?

Edited by Adept on Feb 21st 2021 at 4:41:54 PM

Yeah I agree. Cut Hope/Lightning, Fang/Vanille, Hope/Vanille, Gadot/Snow, and the point complaining about Snow/Sarah. Keep Fang/Lightning and Noel/Serah, maybe add them to the Video Page. And I say just the first game they are introduced in. Makes it easier to navigate.

Edited by Bullman on Feb 20th 2021 at 12:39:23 PM

From Video Games

• For The Legend of Zelda:
  • Generally, Link/Zelda tends to be a wildly popular ship in most Zelda games, being either the most popular or, in the case of the exceptions below, closely following the most popular ships in each title. Most of the time, a romance between them exists entirely in subtext.^note The exception being Breath of The Wild, where Zelda is overtly stated to have feelings for Link, with some versions of the game (including the original Japanese) confirming he returns those feelings. However, between their Lady and Knight Reincarnation Romance dynamic and frequent Ship Tease from Word of God, the pairing has amassed a pretty sizable built-in fanbase. No. This is not this trope. Not are they an Official Couple, they are one of the most iconic in video games. It be like listing Mario/Peach.
  • In The Legend of Zelda: Twilight Princess, Link and Midna are the most popular pairing, and achieved special longevity in part because of the odd line Midna gives before she leaves in the English version. This huge fan following is despite the fact that this is one of the few games where Link is already all but stated to have a love interest (in childhood friend Ilia). Link/Zelda is more popular overall. Cut.
  • In The Legend of Zelda: Breath of the Wild, Link/Prince Sidon is an explosively popular ship, with more art, fanfiction and posts in general being made about Link and the fishy prince hooking up than any other couple. This one also a cut. Zelda/Link is still more popular even in this games circles.

Thoughts?

Edited by Bullman on Feb 20th 2021 at 4:52:53 AM

Not sure what I could say about those entries. Not an expert in either.

I may have asked about Legacies before, but I’m positive there’s definitely an entry already for Hope/Josie. Right?

Edited by futuremoviewriter on Feb 20th 2021 at 3:51:09 AM