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Or the Albains manipulating her.
As much as I like the songs, the fact that there are only two singers for all of them can make things a little weird. I really wish the voice actors could sing the relevant songs themselves, but that's probably unreasonable.
At least they seem to be bringing in Caleb Hyles now. His work on Hero was pretty good. Maybe they'll bring in other Youtube Singers like NateWantsToBattle, Amanda Lee, Jonathan Young, PelleK, Roan Lee, or Dima Lancaster.
Edited by RebelFalcon on Feb 28th 2020 at 10:22:51 AM
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Musician/Composer
In "Haven's Fate", when Yang unleashes a "The Reason You Suck" Speech on Raven, she points out that being powerful does not make her strong. Raven screams "Who do you think you are, lecturing me?!" Does that count as an example of the "Who Are You?" trope?
Edited by gjjones on Feb 28th 2020 at 11:32:30 AM
He/His/Him. No matter who you are, always Be Yourself.
I'm helping!
No, that's definitely not that trope. (Also, for future reference, there's a thread dedicated to the 'is this an example' question
.)
Musician/Composer
I see. By the way, I'm also one of the regulars on that thread.
Edited by gjjones on Feb 28th 2020 at 12:15:02 PM
He/His/Him. No matter who you are, always Be Yourself.
RWBY: World of Remnant, Episode 4: Aura
A few tidbits from the C 2 E 2 panel, since haven't seen it shared.
https://hearticho.tumblr.com/post/611267685392826368/highlights-from-the-rwby-panel-at-c2e2
- Volume 8 is nearly finished being written. They felt Vol. 7 was a bit "too big", and didn't have enough character moments.
- Ep. 3 was "too long", so they cut a scene with Blake and Marrow talking over comms about the Faunus. Possible shift to Vol. 8.
- A backstory pushed back 3 volumes, might appear in Vol 8?
- Blake's actress has trouble remembering the Ace-Ops names, calls Marrow "Hot Dog".
- Ironwood thirst is real, apparently. ("Irondaddy"
)
(Goes back to lurking)
Ah great, that's another one for Blake's Harem.
Vegeta: I'm back bitches!
On the subject of birds, I was trying to work out a ship name for Qrow and Robyn, since I really hate Qrobyn. I'm not a shipper by nature, but I sometimes have a bit of fun with ship names (my single claim to fame is that I came up with the Snowbirds name pretty much before anyone else did, since it popped into my head as soon as Qrow and Winter had their V3 fight and I was citing it in my episode review straight after watching it — the rest of the fandom was calling it Nightwatch at that point; I think it was Nightwatch, I didn't understand the reference so it was a meaningless one for me).
This time, the only thing I could really come up with was Jailbirds. So, for me, Jailbirds it is.
At least I'm not trying to think of a ship name for the giant flying sperm whale with oversized teeth and dragon wings for flippers...
I've always found the lyrics of that song to be rather creepy. My problem is that I really can't stand the tune.
That's why I'm having so much trouble with the closing song of V7 ('Fear'). While it's obviously a reference to the volume's overall theme, the lyrics are very heavily connected to Ozpin's monologue, which suggests that we finally have Ozpin's song. However, it's sung by a woman — which would break the pattern we've had to date — and it also leaves me feeling like there should be another song for him waiting in the wings for a later reveal (which counts against the possibility of it being Ozpin's song). I haven't really been expecting Ozpin's song to be revealed for a long time because he's that kind of character (where the full truth comes out quite late in the day) — which is another point against it being his song. So, I remain conflicted.
It also means we still don't have one for Oscar, but that makes more sense since he's the newest addition to the main cast, he's still finding his feet, and he effectively showed himself to be the opposite of Ironwood in this volume by effectively having his rite of passage during his What You Are in the Dark moment when other — more adult — characters were having their meltdowns (he found his 'strength' during his moment of fear while Ironwood was reduced to 'nothing' during his). After all, Penny had to save and Aura-less Winter 'just' from falling the distance of a skyscraper to Atlas's surface. An Aura-less Oscar fell down to the very bottom of Atlas's underbelly and then kept on falling to the surface of Mantle. Oscar's fall should be classified as a true moment of fear — instead, he managed to tap into his Ozma legacy and activate it.
Edited by Wyldchyld on Mar 2nd 2020 at 10:12:50 AM
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Musician/Composer
So, given her actions in Volume 5, do you guys think Raven is considered Beyond Redemption?
He/His/Him. No matter who you are, always Be Yourself.
I'm guessing Ace-Ops will still be relevant in V8. I know everyone's expecting Marrow to turn from Ironwood to Team RWBY's side in V8, but I think it's possible he might not be the only one. Vine was also holding back and he also strongly implied that Elm was holding back, too — Elm was not only feeling personally betrayed and hurt by Team RWBY's actions, but Vine asked her if she was trying to convince herself or him when she told him not to go soft on Yang and Blake. Eddy Rivas also tweeted a bit of transcript that got cut from the scene that made it much clearer that Elm's holding back against Yang and Blake.
So, we have three members of Ace-Ops who did not want to fight Team RWBY and just felt they had to follow their orders. That really just leaves Harriet as the odd-ball of the team, given that Clover was also emotionally conflicted during his fight with Qrow and Tyrian (I'm putting down the Qrow/Clover issues in the Tyrian fight to how hurt emotions can sometimes make people stupid, making it a possible case of Reality Is Unrealistic).
It'll be interesting to see what Ace-Ops do once they realise the lines Ironwood's crossing and find themselves dealing with a giant flying sperm whale with oversized teeth and dragon wings for flippers.
That sounds like Nora because three volumes prior to Volume 7 is Volume 4, which was when Ren's back story was revealed and the mystery of Nora's origin introduced.
No. Her storyline is nowhere near finished and nothing in Volume 5 conveys the impression that trope is in effect.
Edited by Wyldchyld on Mar 2nd 2020 at 10:14:07 AM
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Brightness
No offense man, but do you read the trope descriptions or just the trope name?
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Note it's still possible for the villain to pull a Heel–Face Turn for some other reason after a hero decides they're Beyond Redemption. What matters for this trope is that a hero had been trying to turn the villain good, but gave up.
Nobody (most notably Yang) was even trying to get her to turn good in the first place. Nor did they declare her evil. The only interest the protagonists had in her at all was for her semblance. Then Yang called out how much of a dumbass she was being and asked for her to hand over the lamp before fucking off as she does.
Hell, to our knowledge Yang still hasn't even told anyone that Raven is the Spring Maiden.
Edited by TheAirman on Feb 29th 2020 at 8:21:02 AM
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Yes, none of the villains have a Beyond Redemption aspect to them (including Dick note ). The closest we've ever seen has been Ruby asking both Raven and Emerald to reconsider their support of Salem's side, but neither character actually has any interest in supporting Salem to begin with: Raven was trying to dig herself out of a hole that no-one else knew about while Emerald's loyalty was to Cinder, not Salem.
And, most importantly, Ruby has only ever had that discussion with them once — a single question, a single rebuttal, and no further exploration.
So, even that doesn't count.
Edited by Wyldchyld on Mar 2nd 2020 at 10:18:21 AM
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Man, non-disclosure agreements just... don't exist in this company.
Somebody's going to get offended by this despite the air quotes.
I do feel like all of the racism in Atlas is just small potatoes with the giant demon whale that's shown up. It's going to be hard to tackle real-life issues/subplots with Salem lurking around.
I got to admit, after watching Ironwood manhandle Watts with Caleb's voice singing the former's praise, I'm starting to question my sexuality. He just wrecked that man. It was glorious.
Edited by Soble on Feb 29th 2020 at 6:30:46 AM
I'M MR. MEESEEKS, LOOK AT ME!
Oh yeah, I'm late for this, but I'm in a pissy mode so I might as well do this, and I'm being completely unironic here. Get angry at me for this later cuz at this point, I don't give a crap about reputation
- Top 10 RWBY Characters, for me personally (I don't hate Ruby, she's fine so far but needs like two more volumes, I do like the rest of team RNJR, Maria's cool, Oscar's likeable but some of his development is offscreen, I wish CFVY was in the show more and I'll read their book when I get the chance, I don't really hate Cinder, I think she's an effective villain, just needs a backstory and the V7 cast was cool)
- 10-Blake: Yeah yeah, here me out. The arguments against Blake are shipping, she's not relatable or interesting because she's technically a princess so she, she has a harem for no reason, horribly inconsistent throughout volumes 1-5, she's a terrible person for killing Adam and she's not more than an ugly lesbian, and she's a Mary Sue...well there's more than that but to address those.
- I've never been a part of the Black Sun vs Bumblebee vs anti-shippers drama until recently, I'm fine with any pairing as long as I like the characters or the relationship/romance isn't toxic, abusive, cruel, or no one talks about their problems.
- Rebellious Princess is a trope, and despite how controversial they can be, history has had philanthropists who've used their money and influence to help those that were seen as beneath them. Now I'm not gonna start the BLM/Civil Rights argument but as a prominent of an activist group turned terrorist group despite her status is admirable enough, and she's made a lot of effort to try and make up for that between volumes 2 and 5 to the point of exhaustion, and volume 3/4 were the setback to test her resolve. She finally let her pride and worries about taking all the world's problems on her own and let people in to trust her after doing nothing but running away and feeling guilty of always being powerless to fix problems she was involved in.
- She used to like Adam, she has a thing for Sun and Yang, Illia had a crush on her. Okay, so what? There are tons of people in the real world who've had several people be interested in them or have a crush on someone they thought they could control/needed (Adam) or genuinely cared about (Illia)
- The internet has no idea what the hell a Mary Sue is at this point. Not everyone likes Blake, almost her entire team has disagreed/disliked her point of view/pointed out her flaws, her battle record isn't the best: especially one on one, and she is completely flawed.
- And hey, flawed characters have the biggest reason to grow. And personally, I feel like she has. Next.
- 9-Neo: I don't have Kellyanne's cue cards, so Show, don't tell.
- 8-Yang: Ignoring PTSD cuz I don't want to deal with that argument anymore, post V3 and pre V3 Yang have been interesting. Pre, she was a thrill seeker, but she never knew what she wanted from becoming an Huntress other than the adventure and thrill, and while may have hated her for this, I find it extremely relatable? How much of us have been told we have potential (hahaha, should be doing hw right now but I'm too depressed to care)
- 7-Weiss: Man I hated her in the first two-thirds of volume 1. How times change.
- 6-Roman: Charasmatic, charming, and has reasonable motives. And he may have been a low level villain in the grand scheme of things, but he'll always be a winner in our hearts, and that Grimm's stomach.
- 5-Mercury: God he's so much fun, and I'm glad he almost doesn't give a shit about causing mayhem wherever he goes with that who-gives-a-crap grin. Save for v5, he's fights have been consistency entertaining and while he does have some quieter moments, the fact that he's still bitter about losing his quirk...Semblance, yet became such an effective killer in a short amount of them is freaking respectable.
- 4-Qrow: He beat up Tyrian thrice, actually tried to get off the bottle, is the most competent adult the RWBY RNJR group needs, consistent fights, and he still barely manages to hold on. As wasted potential as volume 5 was barring some good moments, one highlight is watching Qrow looking for as many Huntsmen as possible, even feeling remorse of the ones with families and rightfully calling out Leo for contributing to their deaths. He's more than just a follower of Ozpin, and he deserves the world.
- 3-Sun: Why is Sun so high up on the list? Because one, he's still a loving, charming likeable guy who does his best even when he's not but an Adorkable goofball that's competent. His fights are always entertaining (except when we didn't see him actually fight in the Fall of Beacon), he's funny, and I genuinely enjoy his interactions with Blake (if we're talking about shipping, I'm fine with either him or Yang ending up with Blake, and he's handled it better than most of the fandom to be honest), her family, and his team. He's just a reliable ally and a fun character to watch. He, Blake, and Penny might be the reason I actually started watching the show.
- 2-Pyrrha: Do I need to say anything here? The Ace who wanted acceptance more than praise, compassion versus callousness, and pure but a bit naive in her love life, great fights, overall great character development, and her legacy still lives on through her friends, fam, and teammates.
- 1-Penny: I'd make the argument that she defies all conventional logic, but who cares, she's a teenage robot who wants to learn what it means to live and be happy. She's competent, her interactions with Ruby and Winter were great, and she earned her Maiden powers just through Be Yourself. And that's just a beautiful thing.
I don't really see why any of these would warrant people getting pissed at you? All of those are pretty understandable choices, and the only ones people would likely have issues with are Blake and Yang. I may not like Yang, but you're free to your opinion and shouldn't be judged for it.
Barb(Its a thread joke you wouldn't get it)
"she's not relatable or interesting because she's technically a princess"
That's also partially born out of misconception.
Blake's dad only became Chieftan after leaving the white fang, so if Blake did get to live in that big mansion it would have been for a very small section of her life
Things are really about to get Fun around here
He thinks his opinions are "controversial".
How dare.
RWBY: Red Trailer came out in 2012 and Volume 1 premiered in 2013.
My Hero Academia: July 2014.
Edited by Soble on Feb 29th 2020 at 8:58:43 AM
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The Element of Hyperbole.
I read a few of those "least favourite character" lists from a while back, and I honestly don't think I could make a top 10 list of characters I actively dislike in RWBY. I could probably handle a top 5.
- 5. Cordovin: She's just not a particularly interesting or threatening antagonist for the end of Volume 6. The battle against her mech always felt like a slightly tedious distraction from the Adam stuff, who at least has a history with the characters he's fighting. I like some of the exchanges she gets out of Maria. The whole "This is the sound of me not caring!" while chewing on nuts thing is only as funny as it is because it's in response to the ravings of a haughty, pretentious military commander with delusions of grandeur. But still, she feels more like an overblown secondary vllain. An obstacle that should've been dealt with partway through the volume, not in a big climactic fight.
- 4. Lionheart: I always got a feeling of wasted potential from Lion. On paper, his character is a pretty good cautionary tale. He's like Roman only more pathetic and with a much steeper fall from grace. He's the character driven most explicitly by fear, and I do like the scene where he kinda cuts through some of Raven's bullshit to hint that no matter how flowery the language she uses to justify herself, she's still driven by the same thing he is. Terror. Where Lionheart falls for me is that you never really believe that he was once this great and trusted ally of Ozpin's. So there's no contrast between the man he once was and what he is now to really sell how powerful fear can be. He's just a sniveling coward. That's why Ironwood's arc works so well. You get to see his descent into despair. I don't think we should've seen that with Lionheart exactly, but we could'v been given flashes of his old self here and there. Maybe a bit of guilt that he ends up swallowing instead of acting on in a crucial moment. Or some genuinely warm exchanges with Qrow and Oz before things go completely off the rails.
- 3. Cardin: Not really much to say. I don't think about him much because he's so irrelevent to the story, but no, he's a pretty damn generic bully with nothing to set him apart whatsoever. He's one of the few completely and utterly stock characters in RWBY.
- 2. Cinder (pre-Fall of Beacon): Okay, I'm the villain guy. You'd think I'd like a character who just strolls in and effortlessly wins all the time. But Cinder back then was so goddamn boring. At least now being a constant failure and a smug prick who's inching closer and closer to snapping like a slim jim has sort of become her thing. Competent!Cinder is so uninteresting that I would almost forget she existed, normally because Roman was alive back then and being amazing everywhere he went. Every line out of her mouth sounded generic as all hell in comparison. It's like they had a book of Cliche evil mastermind lines and just gave her all of them. That maybe wouldn't have been so bad if her actress could sell them, but I never once bought her as this hyper intelligent menacing figure. Any alteration to her character since then has been welcome in my opinion.
- 1. The Brothers Grimm: This one, I admit, is entirely contingent on how they're written moving forward. The Brothers are irredeemable monstrosities who blame their own subjects for their inadequacies, commit genocides on a whim, and inflicted the Ozma reincarnation curse upon the world. The most horrifying thing in this entire series bar none. The Brother of Light especially is an insufferable piece of shit because he doesn't even have the decency to own being a dick like his brother does. I should adore them as villains, and yet, I can't help but feel this niggling sensation that the writers are going to pull some kind of twist that makes the Brothers out to be more benevolent than they actually are. Religion is weird in general, because people in real life believe that what a god does is ok because he's older and stronger than we are, so the possibility that they'll pull this with the brothers still lingers in me. That possibility colours every scene we see of the brothers, and makes me despise them all the more. If it turns out that I was worried about nothing, then at least the brothers will have been the only villains in this show I genuinely hate. Lord knows these dickheads deserve it.
Edited by GNinja on Mar 1st 2020 at 1:19:44 PM
Kaze ni Nare!
Barb(Its a thread joke you wouldn't get it)
Cinder is there thanks to Evil Is Sexy fetishes....
Honestly there's so much about the show that makes me think Monty was a bit of a Covert Pervert
Things are really about to get Fun around here
He was still against Panty Shots, though. And as for being a Covert Pervert, I don't think that anything exemplified that aspect.
Gonna disagree, that seems to be more on her fanbase.
My issue with Cinder is that there's obviously something going on there, but apparently we're not allowed to know which ends up squandering any bit of interest for the character. Kinda like what happened with Keith in VLD.
Edited by Cross on Mar 1st 2020 at 9:24:15 AM
That was something that always made me laugh - and not for good reasons. I remember an interview with Miles, Kerry and Monty in either Volume 1 or 2, where the topic was the fact that there are four lead females who aren't depicted in a fanservice sort of way.
With a complete lack of irony, all three of the creators were saying that they didn't want the four lead females to be reduced to fanservice, which is why so much thought went into their designs and appearances so that they wouldn't be dressed for fanservice.
I had rewatch just to make sure I hadn't misheard that. But, no, they honestly seemed to believe that Team RWBY weren't dressed in a fanservice way despite the fact that we had...
- Ruby Rose: Right. There's nothing fanservicy about a teenage girl in a minidress and corset at all — and, just to make absolutely sure, lets give her frilly underskirts and goth colours just in case the lolicon lovers aren't quite biting yet. And there's nothing fanservicy at all about a small girl with an angelic face and frilly skirt fighting with a giant, vicious gun-scythe.
- Weiss Schnee: Oh, look. Another frilly mini-dress, with naked leg and excessive heel to extend the leg — just to make sure the leg-lovers are reeled in. And, just so the cleavage lovers aren't left completely out in the cold, let's slip in some peek-a-boo lace right at her cleavage for Male Gaze — black to really stand out and draw attention.
- Blake Belladonna: BDSM, prostitute stripper... on a ninja cat-girl. I'd say 'that is all', but it isn't, because her clothing creates just enough of a 'butler-esque' theme to titillate the 'serving girl' lovers, too. And have I mentioned the Whip It Good theme sneaked into her weapon, yet, just to round out that dominatrix, prostitute stripper theme? Oh, and points for Unfortunate Implications when applying the hindsight of knowing just how abusive Adam actually was — because that implies all sorts of unpleasant things about her early appearance that the creators probably never intended. I hope, anyway.
- Yang Xiao Long: Boobs. Cleavage. Legs. Hotpants. Wispy skirt to accentuate hip movement. With the corresponding physical hitter fighting style which just happens to create extra boob jiggle and cleavage shots. And how was she introduced? Oh, yeah. Biker chick with bum shot and hip sway.
At least they acknowledged that Glynda's appearance was pure fanservice. But, for a little while, they were weirdly insistent that Team RWBY's wasn't. (Salem also seems to be designed for blatant fanservice, given how insanely tight her dress is, and the look of the new dress she was rocking from the back of that giant flying sperm whale with oversized teeth and dragon wings for flippers).
Disclaimer: This isn't a post that's criticising the appearance of the girls and I'm not opposed to fanservice either (I can go into what I personally do and don't like in a different post, and the male characters have plenty of fanservice, too). I'm criticising the hypocrisy of that early interview — or, if not hypocrisy, then complete lack of self-awareness or honesty.
In short? No, I don't think there was anything 'covert' about Monty's style; however, instead of 'pervert', I'd say he openly played with fanservice and fetishes — which is pretty standard for the industry. What's less standard is that he put as much thought into the male fanservice as the female fanservice. Usually, shows will do either/or rather than both.
They've actually managed to avoid the Panty Shots right up to the current day. I remember V7E1 generating a load of controversy when Penny appeared because fans thought there was a Panty Shot during her introduction scene. There wasn't, however, it was just blanked-out white — which is how they've always handled the characters that wear skirts (the blanking-out is done in whatever colour is appropriate to the skirt the character is wearing). I think the white just made people think 'knickers' and suddenly that's all the fandom was talking about from the episode for a little while.
Fortunately, this site managed to avoid that.
Edited by Wyldchyld on Mar 2nd 2020 at 10:21:12 AM
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