The Scrappy Cleanup

I'm willing to take Memer's word on this based on the guro fanart. Yikes.

I'm not sure I see that as an indicator. I've spent enough time with fanfic authors who write similar stuff about their favourite characters.

edited 8th Apr '18 10:22:53 AM by AnotherDuck

Have to agree with AnotherDuck on this. Some people just like drawing guro, and the characters they draw undergoing such things could be characters they actually like. This being the Internet, I wouldn't be surprised if there were people who thought that way.

Going to need something a bit more substantial to label that character as The Scrappy.

a bunch re: Calvin's dad:

I was not previously aware that he was widely disliked, but if Watterson has stated that he got regular complaints, I suppose that could be considered evidence.

Is there a procedure that needs to be followed for new Scrappy examples, like with Complete Monster? (I don't know because I normally just ignore The Scrappy entirely, but this came up in ATT and I was surprised enough by the character choice to pop in and see what's up.)

I feel like Calvin's dad is always supposed to be unsympathetic... like most characters.

Yeah, I say cut Calvin's dad. I don't see any indication that he's actually disliked by a vast majority.

In fact, I've seen a lot of people who like him due to his constantly lying to Calvin, to the point where there's even a subreddit called "Explain Like I'm Calvin" that involves answering questions in the same vein as Calvin's dad.

Thats just what I know from other fan sites and browsing Pixiv. She certainly isn't like say Anise who is hated in the west but showed up on some popularity polls in Japan. She hasn't shown up in any cameo in other Tales games like the other Tales Heroines before and after her.

Both Japan and the west seem agree on loving Chloe and Jay from that game so I would assume the reverse is the same.

edited 8th Apr '18 6:41:02 PM by Memers

Calvin's dad doesn't have nearly enough hate. I hadn't even heard of any hate at all, and it's a fairly well-known series.

Went ahead and deleted the YMMV.Calvin And Hobbes "Calvin's dad" entry.

x3 I wouldn't assume such a thing. I still think more concrete evidence needs to be found. If there's no concrete evidence at all for such hatred, then you don't have an example of The Scrappy.

FWIW, I love Calvin's dad. I agree with the cut.

I can't comment on the Eastern fandom in this case, but the West definitely hates Shirley. I've only ever known one person who liked her and they spent all their time trying to defend her.

In 'Septimus Heap'', there's this:

• The Scrappy: Milo Banda is likely the only character in the series who is disliked by some fans due to him being constantly away on travels while his daughter Jenna and the Heap family are in trouble and being generally embarrassing for Jenna. Up to the reader whether his actions in Darke and Fyre redeem him. (Particularly Fyre - he really shapes up.)

However, the entry itself argues that Milo was eventually Rescued from the Scrappy Heap. Should I change it to that?

I apologize for bringing this here, but I wasn't sure if I could change it without consensus.

"disliked by some fans"

From TheScrappy.Western Animation: "Alice combines this in some parts of the fandom, with also being a Base-Breaking Character." I doubt anyone minds that I zapped that.

I just realized the crux of the issue with identifying this trope. How can you tell the difference from a vocal opinion and a majority opinion?

I'd say it's almost impossible, especially given how unreliable Internet communities are in representing entire fandoms, the ever-present possibility of Silent Majority, and how time-consuming it would be to actually get accurate findings.

edited 14th Apr '18 8:10:43 PM by dragonfire5000

It's by definition impossible to find out someone's opinion if they don't mention it, so going by the loud minority is pretty much what we can do in most cases. Polls tend to be more anonymous and as such show the more silent people more, but as we've discussed they usually only show popular characters, not hated characters. Characters low in polls are far more often zero-opinion characters people just don't care about, not negative-opinion characters.

I think reviews and other discussions that aren't focused on that specific character reveals more about the general opinion, since focused discussions are far more often only comprised of just the people with strong opinions. For a character to truly be The Scrappy, that hate should bleed into more general reviews of the work. But it should be noted that for reviews, especially professional reviews, strong hatred is often understated or not expressed, so it can be hard to spot even if it's there.

Ichigo from DARLING in the FRANXX . I don't watch the anime (Yet) and as such am not fully aware of her actions, but having read the YMMV page for the series and cross checking with the Wiki and Wiki comments, I am not sure if she qualifies as a Scrappy or not. The comments on the page indicate she still has fans and that the hatred is mainly from 02 fans, but what is the true judgement? Should she be listed as a Scrappy? Or should she not be considered one and be offered to the Base-Breaking Character thread?

The controversial episode just aired, it’s really bad to prejudge a series based on one episode really. And it being only 24 episodes wait till the end.

Also there are enough fans with actual taste to make her irrelevant to this thread.

edited 16th Apr '18 10:25:07 PM by Memers

Can someone explain how Teppei Hojo can simultaneously be a Hate Sink (in his character page) and The Scrappy at the same time? I feel his entry needs some clarity since what it describes applies to the former. It doesn't explain how he can be both like with the Prime Minister Honest or Babidi entry

edited 18th Apr '18 10:30:18 PM by RJ-19-CLOVIS-93

Those two tropes aren't mutually exclusive by definition, but in practice they tend to be. What's required is hatred not covered by Hate Sink for them to also qualify as The Scrappy. That's usually more meta details like the character being terribly written and the work would be better without them. "They do terrible things to other characters," is not an acceptable reason for The Scrappy, unless those actions are meant to be seen as positive.

Now, I've not read the entries since you've not linked or quoted them, and I'm not familiar with that case.

Someone added Peri again to the Fire Emblem Fates YMMV page again:

"Peri is one of the most hated recruitable units in the game due to her design being seen as jarring, her bloodthirsty nature, murderous tendencies, (which are sometimes directed at members of the army she's enlisted in) her general Lack of Empathy or morals unless you pair her with Laslow, and the perceived Moral Myopia of someone like Xander making people see her role as his retainer as inherently dragging down his character. While the game doesn't necessarily condone her behavior, it doesn't seem to condemn her anywhere near enough for her to be as relatable or compelling as someone like Henry from Awakening, who Awakening. The cast, while put-off by her Ax-Crazy attitude, often seem more mildly annoyed by it than actively disgusted, especially considering that Peri is quite spoiled on top of being an active murderer. Henry was not only actively willing to provide genuinely helpful assistance to his allies and follow orders, but also had a much more tragic upbringing, but somehow upbringing. And somehow, he came out of it far more well-adjusted and friendly than Peri did, which is really saying something considering how insane he is.is in spite of all his positive points."

I'm going to remove it, and I've already gone to the ATT page about their other uses of Unintentionally Unsympathetic to label her a scrappy.

edited 19th Apr '18 8:48:19 AM by keyblade333

Then what does qualify as evidence for her status as scrappy if not the opinions of fans? Yes, the fandom is biased against Peri, that is the DEFINITION of being a scrappy. Having a fandom who is heavily biased against you. Her supporters exist, yes, but they are far, FAR outweighed by her haters to the point where it can not be called an even divide under any circumstances.

What fans? The ones on Serene Forest? Reddit? GameFAQs? Yeah, they are Vocal Minority. They don't even make up 1% of the fanbase.

Peri has more polls in Heroes than Seth, Rinkah, and Sumia.

edited 19th Apr '18 9:10:20 AM by RAlexa21th