TLP Crash Rescue - Fixing prematurely launched TLPs and pages

So the thing is, "this work has a pregnancy test" plain isn't a trope. It would have to be redone from the ground up as something, like "pregnancy tests are unreliable" or "impossible to decipher pregnancy test."

The Analysis page in particular needs to go because not only is it potential flame-bait and drama importation, but "listing examples" is not what the Analysis/ namespace is for. Additionally it seems to basically be a workaround to the "Useful Notes don't have examples" rule.

It's been cut. Seemingly rightfully.

The optimist in me says keep it. It may not eventually see the light of day, sure, but this is a final film by an incredibly lauded filmmaker, not some fanfic idea bouncing around in a kid's head. It won't cause problems, the page is already made, and... honestly, I kind of want to leave it out of respect for the late Satoshi Kon.

edited 7th Jun '17 7:11:17 AM by Larkmarn

I get that, but it still doesn't sit right with me to give something a free pass because the late person that was involved is lauded; either all of it is okay or none. It's not because I don't care (okay maybe I don't), but that would be kind of inconsistent.

I'll try to add some tropes based on what I could find, but no guarantees

edited 7th Jun '17 7:08:31 AM by UltraWanker

And I get that, but it is still technically "in development" and by-and-large our "no unpublished works" rule exists primarily to dispel unverifiable information about fanworks that will never happen. I tend to give most in-development (even if that's Development Hell) works by actual studios a much wider berth. But your help is appreciated.

edited 7th Jun '17 7:14:48 AM by Larkmarn

Understood, I'll try to add some tropes based off what Google can give me. Might as well do something if it's gonna stick around.

The guideline is Unpublished Works go in Darth Wiki until they're published. It doesn't differ between a vague fan idea and a late great creator's undone work.

Edit: autocorrect...

edited 7th Jun '17 7:21:57 AM by Candi

My viewpoint on the Pregnancy Test trope is that it would have to be plot relevant, played for drama or comedy. But yeah... that does cover a fairly wide range from difficulty in interpreting ("Is that a Plus, a minus, or an asterisk?" "I think maybe it's a Rorschach Blot?") to the reveal happening from finding a discarded test and people speculating on who is pregnant (which I've seen, but is a mild fallacy in that many pregnancy tests only display reliable results right after testing, and will change to a positive result over enough time even if initially negative) to something like the Trojan Gauntlet with the protagonist attempting to acquire a test without others finding out.

Those are among the reasons why I think there may be multiple tropes in the pregnancy test idea.

The Fairy Warriors and Beyond Bloom lack a trope list.

edited 7th Jun '17 1:16:06 PM by Morgenthaler

Some backlog:

• Circular Waterfall: Seems pretty unanimous that this needs to go back due to the name. Can a mod unlaunch?
• Pregnancy Test Plot: Pretty unanimously Chairs at the moment. Send back/divide into actual tropes.
• Adaptational Nice Guy and Adaptational Jerkass: Some discussion, nothing concrete.
  • Personally, between Adaptational Heroism and Adaptational Villainy for major shifts and Adaptational Personality Change for smaller ones, this seems needlessly redundant.
• Main.Queerbaiting, UsefulNotes.Queerbaiting, Analysis.Queerbaiting: Seeming consensus that it's flawed and very unorthodox, but neither the launcher nor a mod has chimed in.
• The Dream Machine: Seems to be "expand if we can, if not cut for stub," though people are calling for a straight cut.

New one: Faux Adventure Story. And it hits all the classic beats of "send it back to YKTTW": Not many examples, vague/broad trope, OP ignoring criticism and questions, having a net 4 hats, and generally not being very good. OP did at least index it. Might be a trope here (action/adventure setting used to tell not-an-adventure story) but there's enough wrong there and it's so broad at the moment (yet some of the examples still don't fit the trope) that it needs a lot of work.

PM the creators and CL them in a few days. Given The Fairy Warriors is wikiworded wrong and hasn't been edited in a year, I don't have high hopes for that one.

edited 9th Jun '17 5:54:26 AM by Larkmarn

Point taken on unlaunching Pregnancy Test Plot.

Unlaunched Circular Waterfall.

I really don't think Queerbaiting should've been launched; Larkmarn's valid complaints were never answered before the launch.

Just posting here to let y'all be aware of these pages. Rather than posting directly in the thread, I think it's just easier on the discussion if it's somewhere else. Let me know if that's a wrong assumption for the vote tallies. Also, this means that I'm not the only one capable of updating these lists.

These pages make reference to a crowner. IDK if this thread can work with one or not, but I think it can help keep things from falling through the cracks.

• TLP Crash Rescue Resolutions: I updated this today.
• TLP Crash Rescue Tallies: This hasn't been updated yet.

The following are going to the cutlist for lack of improvement after being sent notifiers as recently as late March (meaning three months of opportunities to fix errors to no avail):

• Manga.Escape Journey
• Characters.Personcharacters
• Universes.Personcharacters
• Fanime.Gay Plant Anime
• VideoGame.Discovery Freelancer

edited 8th Jun '17 2:15:18 PM by WaterBlap

I ran a Google search on The Fairy Warriors. It's available as a graphic novel, but the comic links I checked were broken. (Pulled because of publishing? I dunno.) The page description is basically what's available online. With those issues and the title problem, I say cut it and let it be recreated at a future time by someone who has access to the novel and wants to put in the wrk.

Here are a few more lacking webcomic pages.

• Kindred Skies, NEO: no trope list, should just be cut straight away methinks.
• Xylia Tales: Somewhat more effort put into it than the previous two, but still no trope list. I'll notify the author.
• Karis, Magiversity: mostly ZCEs.
• MINIBOSS: Author trying to delete their own work, I think. Revert and notify them about the site's policy on the matter.

edited 9th Jun '17 8:03:20 AM by Morgenthaler

• Inter NIC

No content here, and it has nothing to do with creative works. No idea what it is doing on the wiki.

^ Best guess: "InterNIC" is a word that automatically wikilinks, and somebody thought making a page for it was better than finding the spurious wikilinks and fixing them.

I'd agree that it's not a page that belongs on this site.

That page also looks like a sort of off-the-cuff Useful Notes, so it may be that someone decided to explain what it was after it showed up as an example of that trope.

JustForFun.Swood Dechscord was created by a new account who looks they need help with editing - looks like the wrong namespace, ZCE, asking how to format the page in the page itself, etc

I also came across FanWorks.The Prodigy Fandom which look like in the wrong namespace and has a sub-page with an unusual namespace of Ciphers/

Characters.Japanese appears to be created by a new account attempting to add something to RelationshipVoiceActor.Japanese

edited 10th Jun '17 4:28:19 AM by jormis29

BrokenBase.Samurai Jack Only 7 examples.

Imitablerhino 82 randomly posted a story at Characters.Create Your Own Villain

Stampylonghead.Stampys Lovely World was created in a weird namespace then blanked

New account K55086 created a few pages with what seems to be something for Frasier including Analysis.Jizzed In My Pants

edited 12th Jun '17 7:43:52 AM by jormis29

The first ones were already cut. Cut everything K55086 did, and mods might want to consider a tap on the shoulder.

I'd take it up with the Broken Base cleanup thread to figure out how many are actual examples. Depending on that, we'll see what to do.

• Swood Dechscord: Just cut.
• The Prodigy Fandom: Move it to Fanfic, cut Ciphers, and we probably also need to clean it for ZC Es. It's really not a very good page. Also, can we get an IP Check on Questionable Cingulatan and Prodigy Gaming_YT? Just to be on the safe side, since QC has made no edits that aren't pimping PGY's work.
• Cut Characters.Japanese.

Do we have enough consensus on the Queerbaiting pages to send them back? I think we can safely send Pregnancy Test Plot back, given the launcher agrees.

And does anyone have any comments on the Adaptational Nice Guy, Adaptational Jerkass, and Faux Adventure Story pages?

edited 12th Jun '17 8:39:23 AM by Larkmarn

RE Queerbaiting: There's definitely 2 votes for sending it back, and my vote to cut. The rest is commenting on the unorthodox-ness, etc. I'd say that's consensus to send back at least, since its unorthodox launching should be done in a more orthodox way. I think we're mostly in agreement that the Analysis page ought to go, though.

edited 12th Jun '17 10:22:11 AM by WaterBlap

Different title, definitely. "Queerbaiting" sounds like telling Jimmy to meet you behind the bleachers for a makeout session, but it's the football team and a beatdown session.

I'm concerned about "queerbaiting" because it is an ambiguous name outside of a specific community (The Useful Notes page says as much right up front.) : one use is "Implying that there's content attractive to LGBT to attract them into the audience", another is "baiting" as in "to try to get an angry reaction from". Then there's that one, which I admit I hadn't thought of, but it's an established use.

It definitely needs at least a clearer name.

edited 12th Jun '17 11:30:33 AM by Madrugada