This thread is for cleaning up pages that violate the No Lewdness, No Prudishness policy.
Do not use this thread for reporting pages that need to be cut for violating The Content Policy. Report pages that appear too lewd or gushy to have on the wiki using the "Report Page" button on the sidebar, with the checkbox saying "The page may violate the Content Policy" checked. That will create a thread on the Content Violation Discussions subforum
. The thread will be opened by a mod if the report is valid, and if it's deemed necessary, the page will be cleaned according to the Content Policy. (The list of pages that were deemed problematic can be found on The Content Policy's page.)
No Lewdness:
"Lewdness" is more than just being about something sexual or potentially sexual. Here are some signs of lewd writing:
- Personal opinions on hotness. Examples should stand on their own without the introduction of YMMV material. Adding your own thoughts and feelings on an example is an opinion, same as calling an example good or bad. Don't do it. Don't try and extend your feelings to a larger group of fans either, e.g. "...and fangirls everywhere rejoiced". You're not fooling anyone.
- Overly detailed examples. The example doesn't need to be an exact sensory account of the event. Too much of that and you end up sounding like you're writing porn. When in doubt, drop a few adjectives.
- Unrelated fanservice mentions. If the hot bits aren't related to the example, they don't belong in the example.
- Pornographic writing. If you're writing porn, it should be somewhere other than the wiki. Keep it Family Friendly.
- Titillation links. Tell, don't show. We don't need screen shots to illustrate NSFW fanservice. If a reader is really curious, they can go look it up on Google. (See also Weblinks Are Not Examples.)
- Pedo gushing. We don't need to describe children sexually. This should be cut immediately. We're not interested in hosting pedophilia fantasies. Period. If a work contains children having sex, even if portrayed negatively, report it as a potential violation of The Content Policy using the "Report Page" button◊ in the sidebar.
- Talking about actors instead of characters. An actor is not the character they play. When you're writing an example about a work, refer to the character, not the actor. This applies to non-sexual references, but too often it's tropers writing about how they find certain actors hot. That doesn't fit in character examples.
- Thinking a page with a Not Safe for Work subject is license to be lewd. Even when we discuss porn, we are about just stating the facts.
- Fanfic Recs for underage sex. We will not host any recommendation for fics that have explicit sex involving people apparently or actually younger than 16. Period. We categorically do not recommend fics with sex in which at least one participant:
- This applies even if all parties are underage.
No Prudishness:
- Don't cutlist or gut pages just because they're about sexual topics. Sex exists. It's used in media a lot. You'll just need to cope with that fact. Relationships, fanservice, and sexual activity all fall into their own tropes as a result.
- Don't be a Bluenose Bowdlerizer. We're not looking to censor all sex off the wiki. If the sex and sexuality is an honest part of the work and relevant to the example, it belongs there.
- The wiki is not rated G. We aren't sanitizing the wiki for small children. Sex and sexuality are part of media and we aren't going to ignore them. This wiki is Family Friendly, not Unsupervised Small Child Friendly. This isn't an excuse to make work pages dirtier than the work itself, as the above No Lewdness section makes clear, but neither is it an excuse to make those pages cleaner than the work itself.
For further explanations, please read this thread
Edited by GastonRabbit on Jan 6th 2024 at 3:54:01 AM
F1 the robot
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While I don't exactly feel comfortable giving the benefit of the doubt on that, I guess we have no other choice since asking for a troper's age would be asking them to share personal information.
Logic Girl
On Inflating Body Gag, the last sentence is:
Online, this trope is also known for being a common Fetish, but let's not get into that here.
For every low there is a high.
I wanna be a cowboy, baby
is the fetish mention really necessary to have? i wanna say snip it on the basis of irrelevancy alone.
Stan GaruKaru for clear skin
kiby :]
Yeahhh...maybe it's for the best that we don't remind readers of that.
(Don't) take me home.
Berserk Button: misusing Nightmare Fuel
I think it's kinda important, in that it's an influence the trope had on viewers, and may also be a reason why it's used in some modern works. I do think we shouldn't give this more than a footnote, though.
Redmess
Are we gonna mention that on every trope that involves tying someone up, then? There's a fetish for lots of things, and I think it's fine to not mention it and leave it up to people to discover things like that on their own.
Optimism is a duty.
i'm at the combination she and it
i read that notice as more of a pre-emptive warning to people who want to make jokes about or add examples from fetish works, rather than just bringing it up for the sake of it. kind of a "keep it in good taste" message, if that makes sense.
That almost makes me think it should be commented out.
Redmess
I think it's only appropriate to bring up in a work when it is clearly treated as a kink, and not just cartoon comedy.
Optimism is a duty.
That guy who stays for the closing credits.
I just found a link to a hentai website on the Easter Egg page, since the site has an Easter egg involving My Little Pony: Friendship Is Magic. The link has been there since 2013.
Are we human, or are we dancer?
the Retromancer
this edit specifically. I'd rather remove it.
I've removed it
Angry babby
This Hilarious in Hindsight entry I found on Ralph Breaks the Internet is already a bit low on context explaining the connection, but it seems to be relying on porn memes. Is that okay? I don't know enough to rewrite it.
- The Sassy Housewives ad depicting Aunt Cass. She already had a reputation as a MILF (or rather AILF) in the fanbase, but it took a whole new turn in 2021 with the Busty Aunt Cass and the NSFW Aunt Cass Checks Your Browser History memes.
- The Sassy Housewives ad depicting Aunt Cass. She already had a reputation as a MILF (or rather AILF) in the fanbase, but it took a whole new turn in 2021 with the Busty Aunt Cass
F1 the robot
While I've already brought up Danganronpa Another Episode: Ultra Despair Girls on the other P5 thread, there's one statement on the game's Nightmare Fuel subpage that I'd like your opinion on:
- Monaca forcibly making out with Nagisa and implying that she'll do more. Two kids kissing would look adorable in any other context, except that 1) it's already been established that Monaca is an Ax-Crazy Manipulative Bitch, and 2) Nagisa looks utterly terrified (even more so when Monaca kisses him the second time and she puts her tongue inside of his mouth), and has every reason to be as he starts to realize how twisted Monaca really is while she plays merry hell with his mind.
Does the bolded part qualify as pedo-gushing, or am I just being prudish?
On a semi-hiatus from this site due to being busy with other things (may contribute here and there, but nothing major).
the Retromancer
I think this one is editor's personal opinion not being well-thought-out and should be rephrased.
TroperWall / WikiMagic Cleanup
That poster probably meant it in the Puppy Love, "Aww, look at those kids getting along" sort of way, which is then subverted by how far it's taken.
Redmess
There are loads and loads of shows with two "kids" (be it preteens or teens) kissing, so I would say no. Just awkwardly phrased.
Optimism is a duty.
Angry babby
The entry already starts by saying it's a Forceful Kiss, so I think the "normally two kids kissing would be cute" part is unneeded and disrupting the flow anyway. Though I agree it's probably meant to be a Puppy Love "awww" kind of tone.
I do some cleanup and then I enjoy shows you probably think are cringe.
Redmess
Oops, I missed that part. In that case, I'm not sure if nightmare fuel fits, either. It's unpleasant, but is it nightmarish? I don't know the show, so I can't tell. Maybe send it to the Nightmare Fuel Cleanup thread?
Edited by Redmess on Mar 20th 2023 at 6:19:42 PM
Optimism is a duty.
Angry babby
Personally I think a disgusting forceful kiss and an implied rape threat (especially between children) counts as valid nightmare fuel, yes.
Edited by mightymewtron on Mar 20th 2023 at 1:46:58 PM
I do some cleanup and then I enjoy shows you probably think are cringe.
A nice swimmer
Here's a rewrite:
- Monaca forcibly making out with Nagisa and implying that she'll do more. While usually two kids kissing would be seen as them getting along, the nightmarish factors would be that 1) it's already been established that Monaca is an Ax-Crazy Manipulative Bitch, and 2) Nagisa looks utterly terrified (even more so when Monaca kisses him the second time and she puts her tongue inside of his mouth), and has every reason to be as he starts to realize how twisted Monaca really is while she plays merry hell with his mind.
Edited by TheWrongOne41 on Mar 20th 2023 at 12:00:11 PM
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Angry babby
I think you can just cut the "While usually two kids kissing would be seen as them getting along, the nightmarish factors would be" part and get right into the specifics of what makes it horrifying. A Forceful Kiss isn't typically cute (especially the "implying she'll do more" part), and the "usually two kids kissing" bit just reads as unnecessary to me when we already established it's a Forceful Kiss.
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Edited by mightymewtron on Mar 20th 2023 at 7:02:52 AM
I do some cleanup and then I enjoy shows you probably think are cringe.
A nice swimmer
Here's another rewrite then.
- Monaca forcibly kissing Nagisa, and making comments about she plans to go further with it. The way Monaca plays with Nagisa's feelings towards her while grooming him into thinking that he's getting a reward if she does what she says is disgusting, and a terrifyingly realistic moment of a young kid being pupeteered by a greater authority, even if that authority is a kid his age.
Edit: It has been rewroted!
Edited by TheWrongOne41 on Mar 20th 2023 at 6:12:05 AM
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486-powered rotating frosted cherry Pop-Tart
That looks better.
In that case they can go, I don't see any point in troping porn actors when we don't trope their works anyway.
Optimism is a duty.