Removing complaining, bashing and other negativity from the wiki

Caption can be axed. If you prefer a replacement, we can bring it up in IP's Caption Repair thread.

It's gone.

Speaking of Laconic pages, Laconic.Jeff The Killer also essentially bashes the work it's about.

Dealt with.

On Family-Unfriendly Aesop, in Films - Animation:

• The Drawn Together Movie has the characters come to the conclusion at the end that a Gross-Out Show shouldn't need an aesop tacked on to the end to justify it. This doesn't work because shock humour only works when there is a moral to be worked in so the mockery is in good jest. Every joke in the film is made as obscenely grotesque as possible and is either an Overly Long Gag, a Take That! or both. This movie uses necrophilia jokes to prove why we would not want to see creators make offensive humour for the sake of it. On top of that, the film repeatedly attacks South Park for supposedly being crude humour with lazily tacked-on morals to justify it, something which is not only inaccurate but also incredibly hypocritical.
  The Mysterious Mr. Enter: "Maybe I'd listen to what you had to say if this movie wasn't such a disgusting waste of time! Do you know why you should have a point? BECAUSE NO-ONE WANTS TO SEE ANY OF THE SHIT YOU'VE THROWN INTO MY FUCKING FACE!"

Starts out fine, degenerates into rant mode, and ends with a Caustic Critic quote.

I would say that if you removed everything after the second sentence, then it would be fine, but I'm not really sure how that's a Family-Unfriendly Aesop in the first place.

I think that example should be cut since I fail to see how "shock humor doesn't need a moral" is a Family-Unfriendly Aesop. Family-Unfriendly Aesop are for aesops that go against conventional wisdom but are not necessarily invalid, but tropers often use it to complain about aesops they disagree with.

Edited by ADrago on Mar 4th 2019 at 9:36:33 AM

Well, it's not like the show's family-friendly to begin with...

On a more serious note, I'm really having difficulties telling if this even counts. It's not on the work's YMMV page, if it means anything.

Related, on YMMV.Bee Movie:

• Family-Unfriendly Aesop: "Don't think for yourself, go along with the group." Because if you don't the entire planet will die.
  • You're unreasonable and a racist if you aren't pleased when a talking bee tries to steal your girlfriend.
  • Successfully advocating for a cause may actually make things worse.

I can't tell if these are valid or just Warp That Aesop.

Edited by Brainulator9 on Mar 4th 2019 at 9:58:40 AM

The first and third are valid. The middle is iffy.

Middle seems more like Space Whale Aesop.

Much of the main page for The Clone Saga seems to be about audience reactions.

• Overshadowed by Controversy: Special Edition introduced a new bachelor/ette named Soleil. Natsume revealed this by saying "Soleil is also a new marriageable character once he is full grown!". This bad wording squicked out a lot of fans. Not only is Soleil young looking but they outright resemble a toddler at best. Not helping matters is that their design has been compared to something you'd find on an early teenager's Deviantart account, rather than a legitimate game. Much of the discussion about the game ended up revolving around Soleil (and not for good reasons).

This example sounds complainy. Or more specifically, "Not helping matters is that their design has been compared to something you'd find on an early teenager's Deviantart account, rather than a legitimate game" does. That line was added by a second troper afterwards. Should it be deleted?

The Deviantart comment should be cut. The rest I don't know. What game are you talking about?

Harvest Moon: Light of Hope.

I don't know if this looks like the right place to bring this up, but:

YMMV.The Lego Movie 2 The Second Part states that the movie became a Contested Sequel for either intentionally or unintentionally denouncing toxic masculinity, but doesn't explain why it would seem wrong for the movie to denounce it.

Edited by dsneybuf on Mar 6th 2019 at 7:06:23 AM

No explanation = better off cutting that entry to be honest.

For some reason, someone reverted the removed complaining on Laconic.Jeff The Killer...

About the Dan Browned pages. I notice Cinema Sins isn't in the sandbox. A large number of those entries were valid examples of Dan Browned, much of it in the form of claiming movies don't explain when the movie does explain, Jeremy just edits out or talks over the explanation, or editing out scenes and complaining about non-existent plot holes.

Not quite reverted, since it's now worse than it was before Barrenta changed it. The edit summary isn't helping, either.

Edited by GastonRabbit on Mar 7th 2019 at 11:03:24 AM

Reverted back, suspended that user. Also, why do we have laconics for work articles? That's deprecated.

Should they be cutlisted, then?

I don't remember if we ever set a formal policy for it, so I wouldn't recommend a rush to purge them.

I see. I'll leave them alone, then.

The same troper that restored the complaining on Laconic.Jeff The Killer also restored the complaining page quote and caption on Daikatana.

Edited by Primis on Mar 7th 2019 at 10:25:02 AM

Thanks. I put that back as well.