Trope Description Improvement Drive

The points to keep in mind in Masculine Girl, Feminine Boy aren't very good, especially the ones added the other day. Calling a male character feminine for being "immature" is wrong because he can be acting like an immature boy when he's clearly an adult. I don't know what it means by, "the feminine boy does not have to be girly," and "the masculine girl does not have to be a tomboy to fit this." I don't see reason for the point to refer to them as, "masculine woman or a feminine boy." Are these points necessary at all?

Those points you mentioned look confusing. I wouldn't mind a bit of cleaning there.

Anyways, noticed Complaining About Complaining has a one-sentence description. Personally, I'd like this expanded upon.

Peer Pressure Makes You Evil

Those last few paragraphs are cringeworthy.

Make the Bear Angry Again has two paragraphs dedicated solely to discussing the trope's supposed Truth in Television or supposed lack thereof.

I suggest we take the easy road and axe everything after "More or less Truth in Television" except for the "Compare/Contrast" line.

I would just axe everything in the first paragraph after the first period, and then tack on the second paragraph after said period, creating a single paragraph.

That doesn't seem to solve the problem, as the first paragraph ("More or less Truth in Television") and the second paragraph ("a trope rather than an actuality") are directly contradicting each other.

The second paragraph is also very badly written and a rather euphemizing apology of Vladimir Putin, to say the least.

Zettai Ryouiki is a creepy, makes-anime-fans-look-bad mess, with waaaay too much detail in the various descriptions, and should this trope even be applied to be Western works? I'd go about cleaning it up, but I don't really know where to start.

That's more the realm of The Grand and Unified Appearance Trope Clean Up thread, on account of describing a costume trope. It may end up being turned into a Useful Note, if it's even kept.

On Make the Bear Angry Again Just so we're clear: Russia and the associated real life politics are an integral part of the trope, right? The article's writer wasn't just using it as an example?

There's a part of me that wants to merge this with The Great Politics Mess Up page, but I don't think that will work.

Edited for clarity at 9:36

edited 19th Oct '15 7:36:08 AM by dexterian120

Russia is an integral part of the trope, yes. Its real life politics, no. The trope is that post-Soviet Russia plays the villain role as an aggressive, militaristic empire in spy fiction, military fiction etc., in the tradition of the Cold War setting, but without the communist ideology or Soviet trappings. The trope is independent from real world politics in principle. Its mainly a sleight-of-hand to justify beloved Cold War tropes in a post-Cold War world. The trope predates the accession of Putin.

The trope is also on the No Real Life Examples Please index. Palavering about real world affairs in the trope description smells of sneaking around the NRLEP ban.

If nobody's going to object, I will apply the treatment outlined in my initial post.

Rage Against the Author needs a proper description ,right now it's one of those self demonstrating ones..uh..

Two-Teacher School has on overly involved description with a lot of tangents about "cute schoolgirls" and "mannish, ambiguously lesbian" gym teachers that really has nothing to do with the essence of the trope.

edited 5th Nov '15 5:24:16 PM by Catbert

I think the description of Hate Sink should also be improved. On the "Playing With page for the Hate Sink trope, it specifically says that a hate sink is a "character even more unpleasant and/or infuriating than the main villain; or that appears in lieu of a main villain, so that the audience has someone to hate." However, tropers are using it to sneak in villain entries or to just complain about villains they don't like. For example, Diamond Tiara from My Little Pony: Friendship Is Magic.

The description of Four-Temperament Ensemble looks like it has some unnecessary characteristics and it isn't written in paragraph form.

Also it says, "The four temperament system, while interesting, it was flawed as some people did not fit with any of the presented humors, so a neutral temperament has been used, labeled sometimes as the Leukine, other times the Eclectic..." That's not how an ensemble works. The characters fit or they don't. You don't come up with another role to make a group work. This neutral temperament has no description so what, that means that it's anything a person wants it to be? That paragraph should probably just be taken away.

Surprisingly Good English needs something that actually explains what the trope is.

... It is the use of proper, comprehensible English in a foreign-language medium where Gratuitous English is the typical form of English spoken by the average character. Really, it didn't take me much to understand that when I first came upon the article.

edited 14th Nov '15 1:42:28 AM by MarqFJA

I did think so as well at first but that description has a lot of noise in it.

Removed Japanese-specific references.

That was pretty much 60% of the description, which is far too narrow. It should be better now.

Do you think there is room for the removed bits in Analysis?

So long as it gets a title that specifies the analysis is about Japanese-source works, sure. The info should still be there in the history to cut-and-paste.

The description for Subverted Catchphrase seems to be a bit too short. How can we expand upon it?

Evil Hero has a very confusing description. I can't tell if it's about morally ambiguous heroes, heroes that occasionally do evil things, or what. Can somebody clear it up?

Yeah, that's bad. No YKTTW in the archive, few examples and wicks, and the name is already a problem for describing an oxymoron. It seems to be trying for a Super-Trope to the "Villains with clean-looking occupations" tropes, but that creates a mess of an overlap with Villain with Good Publicity and Hidden Evil. It also misuses Designated Hero, which is not about a character's in-universe status but an audience reaction about narratives unjustifiably sanctifying certain characters.

Faustian Rebellion is pretty straightforward, but there's a huge chunk of description in the middle that goes into detail about the Fridge Logic of the trope that isn't actually important to understanding the trope—Hero is giving demonic superpowers and uses them to rebel. I suggest moving this bit to the underfed Analysis.Faustian Rebellion page.

Music Of Note seems to have a mostly-blue description along with a gratuitous note of the pun in the title. I think it needs an overhaul, since whatever is salvageable would be suitable for a laconic.