Trope Description Improvement Drive

I think it has more to do with being the age children move on to high school in the UK.

Presumably people believe children will grow out of belief in cooties once they move on to high school, which is why 11 is the cutoff date.

Edited by Redmess on Oct 22nd 2022 at 11:09:14 AM

Could change it to "prepubescent".

Per this, All of the Other Reindeer is about a character being ostracization in general. Most of the description however reads like Super Hero Origin and Start of Darkness.

Edited by Amonimus on Oct 22nd 2022 at 12:15:21 PM

Yeah, I think that works better than giving a specific age. The cutoff is puberty.

The cutoff should be "puberty." After all, the age in which one reaches puberty varies by the individual.

Bumping this query.

I feel like the description for Big Ol' Eyebrows is way too anime-centered when it's a pretty common trope in all media. Maybe we could mention some Phenotype Stereotypes/celebrity references it could demarcate or what it usually means in Western Animation (overly expressive/funny characters, Tomboys)?

Bumping this query - should Word of Gay also include Word Of Trans etc.?

What do you have in mind for a ref?

Current:

Proposed:

Alternatively, we strip the references to LGBTQ back to cover sexuality only, not gender identity, and consider using a different trope for trans and nonbinary characters who are only confirmed by Word of God?

(Note that I've added the + to the proposed wording for inclusivity, and for consistency with other pages)

Edited by Mrph1 on Oct 26th 2022 at 11:03:35 AM

This depends on how the trope is actually meant to be defined.

I feel like it can encompass all the queer identities, especially because trans characters tend to either mistaken for gay or are gay after the confirmation, so it's part of the same overall phenomenon. It's definitely been applied to aro/ace characters as well.

Edited by AlleyOop on Oct 26th 2022 at 6:07:53 AM

It already says LGBT in several places.

Either that's incorrect, and the T shouldn't be there, or it also includes gender identity.

I'm not saying that this is how it should be defined, but I am saying there's an existing contradiction in how it's written, which ought to be clarified and resolved one way or the other.

Edited by Mrph1 on Oct 26th 2022 at 11:15:41 AM

I'm not disagreeing; you asked a question about if the description should be expanded or restricted. I answered.

Understood. So, I guess the follow-up question is where we get that definition, if not from the page itself? I'm honestly unsure of next steps on that.

IDK. We might just be able to trust the "LGBT" bit in this case, unless that was a unilateral change at some point.

Earlier versions of the page don't have it, and say "gay or bisexual" instead.

It makes sense to me to group them together, though.

I actually think it's fine to add the references you suggested.

don't think we need a separate one for gender identity, it can all go under Word of Gay.

Yeah. I don't think the average reader is that Literal-Minded, so anyone who reads the page will know that examples of confirmed gender identities are valid too.

Sounds like we have a broad consensus. Am I good to make the changes, or do we need anything more formal?

Hatedom has this line: "When you have a hatedom within a fanbase, it's called Broken Base."

I think this is defining Broken Base incorrectly as just " a group of fans who dislike something", not "an element of a work that divides fans into vocal groups".

Yeah, that's a misuse of Broken Base and should be removed.

Amendments made, thread link and context added in edit reason.

Think Trope Breaker should be added to the "see also" list on Discredited Trope? something something "an event or development which makes a trope suddenly a lot less effective"