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In practice, it's easier to adapt the description to the examples rather than the other way around.
And I was asking here to ask for consensus, but in retrospect, it's hard to get consensus here...
Edited by 4tell0life4 on Nov 10th 2019 at 6:31:46 AM
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Big Catch, Sparkle Edition
Easier doesn't always mean better...
Okay, scratch that. I have a new question:
A good number of And I Must Scream examples (I've done a few wick checks, but it's some time ago) are just about "you're awake, but you can't move your body or do anything" while the description talks as if it's a state of being such for eternity (or at least very long).
What should we do?
We can never truly eradicate the coronavirus, but we can suppress its threat like influenza
Human Bean
Sorry to insist, but regarding my proposal
for improving the description of Fork Fencing, am I good to go? Can I just put my proposed description there?
Edited by gc10 on Nov 12th 2019 at 6:09:47 PM
Other than the pothole to Squick (IMO, YMMV potholes will invite YMMV in the examples as well), it looks good to go.
And All I Got Was This Lousy T-Shirt has a very bare bones description that fails to differentiate it from And Your Reward Is Clothes. It seems that the content is an attempt to self-demonstrate the joke in question, but doesn't really explain what the trope is about.
- It seems to be relying on its Truth in Television nature to do all the explaining, yeah.
Maybe raid the Real Life folder for more information, if it's there?
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Real life folder raided. How's that?
Much better.
It doesn't help that the page image AND page quote for And Your Reward Is Clothes overlap with And All I Got Was This Lousy T-Shirt.
"It's just a show; I should really just relax"
he/him | Image Pickin' regular
Number 2 on Department of Child Disservices says:
I approve changing it.
So do I.
The Draftsman of Doom
The current description for Relative Button is as follows.
A brutal fight ensues, and then he says the following:
"You remind me of your mother. Now there was a woman with some spirit in her. A total whore, though. What fun I had with her before the end..."
Alice is incensed, and it gives her the Heroic Second Wind she needed to beat Bob to a pulp. That said, heroes should beware, as villains often use this as a means of provoking heroes into making a crucial mistake, such as getting a hero to leave their hiding spot in order to attack the villain, only to find that doing so exposed them to a whole bunch of mooks the villain brought along who actually know how to shoot, since they weren't trained at the Stormtrooper Academy.
See also Mama Bear, Papa Wolf, You Killed My Father, Would You Like to Hear How They Died?, Post-Rape Taunt, and Reminiscing About Your Victims. If this is invoked in a villain rather than by a villain, it usually overlaps with Even Evil Has Loved Ones and Even Bad Men Love Their Mamas. A subtrope of Evil Gloating.
However, I feel like the trope should also apply whenever someone mocks another for losing a loved one.
For example, in a screenplay I just wrote, an unpleasant co-worker mocks one of the main characters by telling him to "cry to [his] dead mother". This coworker is never even remotely implied to have anything to do with the death of the boy's mom. Likewise, in Gotham, Tommy Elliot mocks Bruce Wayne for being an orphan.
Therefore, I suggest we rewrite the trope description to allow for examples where people mock others for losing family members, even if the speaker had nothing to do with their deaths.
Rawr.
I approve that.
The Example as a Thesis has to go as well, it evidently confused you.
We can never truly eradicate the coronavirus, but we can suppress its threat like influenza
About indexing: if a trope fits more in a sub index, it has to be taken off the super index, right?
We can never truly eradicate the coronavirus, but we can suppress its threat like influenza
The Draftsman of Doom
How is this for a description?
This can take multiple forms; be it a villain taunting their enemy about how they killed the latter's family member; a bully making fun of a classmate for being an orphan; an abusive peer telling someone to cry to their dead mother; or a rude detractor insulting the deceased.
Compare the following: Your Mom, for when someone insults another's living parents; Would You Like to Hear How They Died? which is when someone rubs a murder they committed in the grieving person's face; Reminiscing About Your Victims, when villains fondly remember the atrocities they have committed; and I Shall Taunt You, for when tropes such as this one are used to provoke one's opponent into making a mistake.
Edit: I am unfamiliar with the basics of this trope, I am not trying to redefine it so much as allow for some flexibility.
Edited by SkyCat32 on Nov 19th 2019 at 9:12:28 AM
Rawr.
wait, it's not about "making an audience side against a character" (although the trope can ne used for that purpose). It is about "someone making another character angry by negatively remarking about/insulting their relative".
Big Catch, Sparkle Edition
Y'all realize you can't just use this thread to change the meaning of a trope, right?
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The Draftsman of Doom
Ok. Someone help me with the trope description? I'm not used to this.
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Ok. What do you think? Does my example fit?
Edited by SkyCat32 on Nov 19th 2019 at 9:13:16 AM
Rawr.
Big Catch, Sparkle Edition
Get consensus on this first, and then try and fix it. One person agreeing with you is not consensus.
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The Draftsman of Doom
How much consensus do I need? I mean, how many tropers need to weigh in?
Edited by SkyCat32 on Nov 19th 2019 at 9:15:16 AM
Rawr.
Big Catch, Sparkle Edition
Quite a bit, considering you're attempting to expand the meaning of a trope.
Take it to Trope Talk and hash it out with people.
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The Draftsman of Doom
Which forum?
Rawr.
Trope descriptions shouldn't be based on their examples, since examples can very easily just be shoehorns. Otherwise, Drink Order would mean Trademark Favorite Drink, Lightswitch Surprise would be someone flipping on the light to see something shocking, stock phrase tropes would literally just be about the phrase itself, etc.
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