Wick Migration

Started a new topic for misplaced items in UNIM.

We're nearing the end of the wick migration, at least for works. It might be time to set up a page for removing the Japanese titles from Anime and Manga that are now under the English name, such as Kore Wa Zombie Desu Ka (Is This A Zombie) and Abenobashi Mahou Shoutengai (Magical Shopping Arcade Abenobashi). I have already have changed a number of them on the Administrivia.Wick Namespace Migration page to English titles (although I know now that the English title of Umineko When They Cry could also be When The Seagulls Cry, removing the Japanese completely.)

^Worth noting that Umineko: When They Cry and not When the Seagulls Cry is the official title in English, so it should be the former.

Noting Grey De Lisle here since according to the discussion page it should be in Creator/ but I don't have the time for a move.

Good. That means I didn't put it on the wrong page when I changed it on the list 2 years ago.

edited 17th Aug '14 8:50:00 AM by TheOneWhoTropes

I have been linking articles to the correct namespace whenever I encounter them. However, there are a few pages created without a namespace. I listed them below and added the proper namespace needed next to them.

FC De Kampioenen —-> Series/

Kulderzipken —-> Series/

Samson En Gert —> Series/

Les Femmes En Blanc —-> Comic Strip/

Garulfo —-> Comic Strip/

Les Innommables —-> Comic Strip/

Leonard Le Genie —-> Comic Strip/

Les Tuniques Bleues —> Comic Strip/

De Generaal —> Comic Strip/

Monsieur Jean —> Comic Strip/

Murena —-> Comic Strip/

La Ribambelle —-> Comic Strip/

Tif Et Tondu —-> Comic Strip/

Could someone move them to the correct namespace?

edited 1st Oct '14 5:16:03 AM by Patachou

Already covered at Administrivia.Work Pages In Main, Administrivia.Creator Pages In Main, and Administrivia.Useful Notes Pages In Main.

There are nearly 2000 work pages that need moving. We'll get round to moving them eventually. I believe we'll have finished all this by next Easter.

On FC De Kampioenen, it say FC stands for Fan Club - I don't think that's right, since it usually stands for Football Club.

We have two namespaces for comics - Comic Strip and Comic Book. Looking at Garulfo, I'm not sure which one fits for that page.

edited 1st Oct '14 6:52:49 AM by TheOneWhoTropes

Torchwood: Children of Earth, Torchwood: The Lost Files, and Torchwood: Miracle Day have long since been split from the Torchwood page, yet there are still a large number of misplaced wicks. Would it be appropriate to list it on the page as Complex despite already being namespaced?

I wouldn't know. Ask the mods, since the page is now locked. Put an edit request in in edit requests for locked pages over in Frequently Asked Questions.

That is completely acceptable way to handle misplaced wicks.

Hi, I changed Les Femmes En Blanc to the page Les Femmes En Blanc, Garulfo to Garulfo, Tif Et Tondu to Tif Et Tondu, Leonard Le Genie to Leonard Le Genie, La Ribambelle to La Ribambelle, Murena to Murena, De Generaal to De Generaal and Les Innommables to Les Innommables. So that's that!

Could anyone check if the redirect and such are done right? I redirected all the wicks first hand, this time.

edited 7th Oct '14 3:05:13 PM by Patachou

Patachou: first of all, PAGE BLANKING IS A BANNABLE OFFENCE. Please don't do it. the main page for Tif Et Tondu should redirect to ComicStrip.Tif Et Tondu - here's how to make a redirect [[redirect:ComicStrip/TifEtTondu]] do not use ComicStrip.TifEtTondu or it won't show up on the "related to" page. I'll fix it for you this once, but don't do it again. Note: Murena has to be done as [[redirect:ComicStrip/{{Murena}}]] because it is a single word link. On the migrated pages themselves, the ones in the right namespace, could you set the page type to "Work", using the set page type tool in the left hand corner "tools" menu while on the appropriate page, or using "see untyped pages" at the bottom of the tools menu and going through them that way.

You moved the wicks properly, it's just other things that you've done that are not kosher, especially blanking pages, which should only be done to YMMV and Trivia pages with things on them that aren't YMMV or Trivia. A blank page cannot be put on the Cut List, which is where you're meant to send pages that are no longer necessary to keep on the wiki.

One other thing - are you sure they are Comic Strip? if they appear in ComicBook.The Beano, ComicBook.The Dandy or ComicBook.Two Thousand AD-like publications, then that is right. If they appear in single volume comics (instead of anthologies) then it is Comic Book.

edited 7th Oct '14 4:04:34 PM by TheOneWhoTropes

Well, I don't think I'm ever going to understand this redirecting stuff. I read the instruction guide on the site for moving pages and the final stage seemed to be to blank the page in order to avoid duplicates? Also, since the instructions were there I thought all tropers were allowed to move pages, as long as they informed the other tropers on this forum immediately and cleaned up all dead wicks and links immediately. The YMMV and Trivia pages weren't that plentiful in these specific cases and they seemed to move along by themselves, so I kept them as they were.

Setting the page type I understand now. I put them to disambiguation after blanking them, because I thought that these blanked out pages would automatically redirect the reader to the correct one, but as you told me it should be put as work.

I already have discussed the difference between Comic Book and Comic Strip with other tropers on this site and the thing is: nobody is quite sure. The problem is that European comics have a different way of being syndicated compared to American comics and that most comic book lovin' tropers here are of the Anglo-speakin' hemisphere. In the US you have a clear distinction between newspaper comics like Peanuts, Garfield, Dick Tracy, which are published in newspapers and are thus comic strips first and foremost, and comics directly published in magazine format, like Archie Comics, Disney stuff and superhero comics. In continental Europe all comics are published in newspapers and magazines first before they are published in book format, and even there you have a difference between soft cover and hard cover- with the latter more common for Franco-Belgian Comics. Also, in Europe the word comic book is used more for graphic novels and extremely thick comic book omnibuses. I choose for Comic Strips because that is the most general way to describe and address the genre.

And seeing that the namespace discussions on the TV tropes forums tend to discuss several issues at the same time I fear it would take forever before we reach a conclusion whether we should call everything Comic Strips or Comic Books? I personally don't even see the necessity of making a distinction between Newspaper Comics as much of these trope pages do. I understand the difference, don't get me wrong, but again, we don't make similar distinctions for films or TV series either (horror films, western films, sketch series, live shows,...)

edited 7th Oct '14 4:42:33 PM by Patachou

I've put the blanked page on the cutlist, seeing as it has not enough inbounds to justify a redirect.

^^ *shrug* Well being published strip-by-strip on a daily basis changes the way stories are done, like the difference between a series and a movie. Strips might have a gag-a-day format, for example, while a books are not really set up that way.

Of course a great deal of TVT's namespace distinctions are not internally consistent. Like why we need a separate category for comics published in Japan, Korea, and China for some reason. I suppose we gave Manga its own namespace and then realized that not all Eastern comics are called Manga and then we were stuck, haha. By all rights Franco-Belgium comics ought to have their own space, or at least European comics should. The distinction between European and American comics is greater than the distinction between Japanese and Chinese comics.

edited 8th Oct '14 8:10:08 AM by rexpensive

Patachou: If it's newspapers first with anthologies later, like ComicStrip.Calvin And Hobbes, then comic strip is right. It's also Comic Strip for strips in anthology comics, like the ones I mentioned, with multiple strips, although the actual comics themselves go in Comic Book, it was not clear from Garulfo's description that it started in a newspaper, although I should have read the Franco-Belgian Comics page, I'll admit. Anyone can move a page, but you should read Administrivia.How To Move A Page, which is where I'll be sending everyone who does bad or inefficient moves in future.

edited 8th Oct '14 8:48:06 AM by TheOneWhoTropes

Well, this is really going to be difficult to discuss. The explanations by tropers rexpensive and The one who tropes are valid points, but as you've said before the namespace distinctions aren't always internally consistent.

Once again, most comics in continental Europe originate in newspapers. There's no clear distinction between gag comics and longer story comics either. They are all called comic strips in the end.

I understand why most tropers on this site refer to these comics as comic books, because they only know them in that format. Some time back I had to explain to a very young troper that Tintin and Asterix, for instance all originated in newspapers and magazines and were never just published in book format, like ordinary novels do. It's like categorizing films as DV Ds, just because most of them are available in that format.

I've noticed too that anime and western animation are kept separate, while none such distinctions are made between, for instance manga and western comics or silent movies and sound movies. Also even within comics you have further distinctions. For instance some comics are in fact text comics, a very European phenomenon where the comics have no text balloons and the text is below a succession of images. I'm quite sure that most people would feel these comics are actually illustrated novels, while they actually aren't. The format in which they were originally published in newspapers was indeed like a comic strip and they could be found in the comic strip section.

It's because of this sort of confusion that I would personally prefer the word Comic Book to be used for an indivual story from a certain series in an album, and Comic Strips to the entire genre. But that would clash with the Recap/ system.

Also, I don't specifically mind how they are called, but it would be better if all these articles have a namespace in front of their title. Because otherwise tropers will keep stumbling upon a namespaceless article and base their new articles on that one. If all articles have a namespace then they will get the idea that it has to have one for easier categorisation. My alterations have made sure that now all Belgian, Dutch and French comic strips we have so far have the namespace Comic Strip/ or Comic Book.

edited 8th Oct '14 9:47:50 AM by Patachou

I migrated Pokemon Brown And Prism, Pokemon Snakewood, and Pokemon Dawn And Dusk to the Video Game namespace. I'm pretty sure I did everything right, but can someone double check for me?

just one thing left to do - put all the main redirects with less than 10 inbounds (On the "related to" page for the redirect, look at the "Since January 1, 2012 this article has brought X people to the wiki from non-search engine links." bit, the X is the number you're looking for.) on the Cut List, you can find the Cut List in the tools menu on the left, click it and then follow the instructions. You may want to open it in a new tab for lengthy redirects which you may not be able to remember off the top of your head.

edited 20th Oct '14 12:12:26 PM by TheOneWhoTropes

It's been done. Thanks for letting me know to do that.

Changed Riverdance to the better namespace Theatre/Riverdance and cleaned up all the links.

This time however I haven't blanked the original page. It's still here waiting to be removed: Riverdance .

I got the locked page. You need to Cut List the original page now.

OK, Cutlisted as of now.

Noticed a spelling mistake in the title of this Tintin album page Tintin Cigars Of The Pharoah. It's supposed to be "Pharaoh". When looking at the links to the page I noticed many tropers had already had to add redirects to bring people to the proper page. I've moved everything over a new page, with the correct spelling and brought all the links there: Tintin: Cigars of the Pharaoh.

Speaking of pharaohs, I've also moved Tutankhamun and Ramses II to the Useful Notes/ namespaces: Tutankhamun and Ramses II. Cleopatra VII's page also has that namespace and I'm in favor of creating some uniformity to the pages about historical domain characters that aren't creators or musicians and for now only have the namespace Main/ in front of their name.

The original pages are still there, but I've cutlisted them.

Not sure if this is the right place to put this, but I recently moved Kurtwood Smith to Creator/KurtwoodSmith.

edited 5th Nov '14 6:10:31 PM by Anicomicgeek

either: change all the wicks that point to Main.Kurtwood Smith to point to Creator.Kurtwood Smith, or put a request in to add him to the Administrivia.Wick Namespace Migration in the "Edit requests for locked pages" thread in FA Qs. There are only 24 wicks pointing to main. If I remember, I'll make them all point to Creator.Kurtwood Smith tomorrow, but it's 2AM here and my bedtime.