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DaibhidC
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11:17:53 AM May 14th 2010
Mmm. You know, I'd say that, for instance, Jingo is much more obviously an Author Tract than Nation. Or, hey, if we want to talk about Pterry's view of religion, how about Small Gods? But honestly, it never occured to me religion was even a major theme of Nation (despite Mau's Pterry/Simony style "angry at God for not existing" atheism), let alone that it was a tract on the subject.
94.9.139.139
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02:53:06 PM Jun 16th 2010
edited by 94.9.139.139
I can kind of see why Avatar's page got locked now. Apparently, people have put a license to whine ahead of explaining.
Pannic
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03:30:46 PM Sep 7th 2010
I don't really know anything about Doctor Steel, but I find the example listed rather dubious. I highly suspect that this is Not An Example.
Camacan
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09:08:01 PM Dec 14th 2010
edited by Camacan
Dropped these comments from Better Days — it's better if individual examples don't wander off into discucsions of whole sub-genres or other works.

  • Better Days is a 'furry' comic, and they do tend towards Author Tract. Jack, anyone?
    • True, but take a good furry webcomic, like 2kinds. It's a statement against racism with loveable characters overcoming differences and becoming friends. Better days basically turned from a mild Author Tract about conservatism (actually pretty interesting) into a massively wanky self-inserted-fantasy-persona.
Stoogebie
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12:48:19 PM Apr 26th 2011
What's so wrong with this trope? It really sounds like anyone who dares to put in An Aesop to give their work some extra meaning are pathetic zealots who just want to preach! Would it be fair to say that any work of fiction that has a sort of underlying message (particularly if it doesn't fly with some people) would pretty much be this? I'm just saying...
Mystik
03:08:38 PM May 22nd 2011
Remember that some tropes are not bad. As I understand it, though, this trope comes into play when things are pushed much further than simply an anvillicious aesop. It only becomes negative if it hinders the work, though it does have the potential to chase away fans who disagree with the author.
Mystik
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03:14:10 PM May 22nd 2011
  • El Goonish Shive does this in regards to homosexuality, public nudity, and related issues.

I'm not sure whether this is an example. It is certainly heavy enough to chase readers who disagree away from the comic (myself included) early on, but I don't know if this changed significantly later on.

Any help?
Shados
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10:12:55 AM Aug 24th 2011
edited by Shados
"Instead of creating fiction for its primary purpose (entertaining people)"

Interesting statement - surely the primary purpose of fiction can only be determined on a per-instance basis? Generalizing over such a broad scope of works isn't usually very useful. Also, negative tone of the line does contradict with Tropes Are Not Bad.
Stoogebie
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04:47:28 PM Dec 26th 2011
  • "The Truth for Youth" by Tim Todd are comics done in Japanese style artwork. They're like Chick Tracts, but a bit more sane. It's pretty odd to read Japanese-style characters talking about the evils of porn.
Oh TV Tropes, sometimes you say the funniest things! What about the outrage over how not All Anime Is Naughty Tentacles?
doomsday524
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11:31:00 PM Jan 16th 2012
Reading through the examples, there's something I noticed. If they're right-wing, they're mocked and their portrayals of the other side are decried as over-the-top, but if they're left-wing, Tropes Are Not Bad is stressed and their negative portrayals of the other side aren't decried, no matter how over-the-top. Not defending Chick, it's something I noticed about the page overall.
doomsday524
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12:30:09 AM Jan 17th 2012
Are you sure Duck Tales really gave an Author Tract about unions, or is it just an interpretation of the episode?
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