• 2 Feb 14th, 2012 at 12:12PM
    Lastest Reply: 14th Feb, 2012 12:32:53 PM
    This page, part of the series of Awesome Videogame Bosses pages, has for some reason a "Contributor's Page" and even a link to send it a PM. Can this be fixed, if possible? Reply

      All you have to do is set the Page Type via the left-side Tools menu. I set it to the proper one, which is "a subpage".

  • 2 Feb 13th, 2012 at 4:04PM
    Lastest Reply: 13th Feb, 2012 05:21:56 PM
    I'm not sure if he's already been dealt with, but GoldenFootballPlayer is being extremely hostile and rude towards CasatodoTotal over here. To quote him:
    "You're a dumbass trying to piss me the fuck off. Who the hell do you think you are? Some kind of condescending jerk who thinks he's better than tropes who know better than some newbie?"

      Hey now, I was just frustrated with the real troublemaker, but I am willing to accept punishment for my behavior if need be.

      Suspended. I understand getting frustrated, but that's no an excuse for personal attacks. You need to control your temper better.
  • 1 Feb 13th, 2012 at 3:03PM
    Lastest Reply: 13th Feb, 2012 03:39:38 PM
    The discussion page of It's About Time, that the MLP Recap pages are being used as a forum to discuss the episodes, rather than the page. It's not too out of hand, but most of the discussion pages are about the episode.

    A quick check to the Doctor Who recaps reveals the same issue, to a smaller extent. What other popular, currently-airing shows are there to compare this with? Is this a problem with most Recap discussion pages? Reply

      I don't see it as being a problem. The Discussion pages are for discussion. Obviously we'd rather they use the forums but as long as there's no jerkassery going on in there it wouldn't seem like it matters that much.
  • 11 Feb 12th, 2012 at 10:10PM
    Lastest Reply: 13th Feb, 2012 03:03:14 PM
    Casatodo Total is leaving some really bizarre edit reasons over in this page. Also, judging from the discussion page, something went between him(her?) and Golden Football Player in private messaging about the edits. I pm'ed GFP about it, but no response. Reply

      EDIT: Never mind.

      ok, i must write about that, i though that the concept driven by the recap, that was never brought before to the show (or any MLP generation prior this one i believe) was enough to make an entry, and i also though that the wiki magic would correct me by editing the entry or writing it anywhere like on the YMMV page or changing it the trope referred or at least, deleting it with a good reason, instead i got deleted without reason, nothing on the discussion page or the reason on the entry deleting it, not even a private message, asking for a explanation went no farther than "cause i didn't like what you wrote, oh and i would edited some part of the entry but i didn't", so i give Golden Football Player 1 day to answer with something better, just on the belief of cautious editing and good faith on his part, he just answered after the MP indicating the time over and some time near the new entry (the one you delete it), with anger and sarcasm, so i fixed the entry and posted it again.

      gotta say, if a reason like yours had come first i didn't have the need of protect my entry, but it still leave questions: is TV Tropes still a wiki? what do i have to do to write a new trope for a series or an addendum to a trope without it being nuked just "because"? is a reason to write or delete an entry nothing but "bizarre edit reasons"? where's the wiki magic or the cautious editing? who is Fast Eddie to write on the lines of "oh he's a worthless troper, it doesn't care just delete it"?

      i hope for an answer to all those questions 'cause i want to be more that just a lurker of the site, i want to make this site better, but just undoing things without reason or discussion is not the way i was hoping to take for that.

      You should probably learn to capitalize your words properly.

      As to your questions, */Fast Eddie is the head honcho of this site. If you have a complaint about him, it's probably best not to raise it in an aggrieved fashion.

      After reading it, I can tell you that is has less to do with the content of your edit and more with your horrible spelling and grammar.

      ...How is "who is Fast Eddie to write on the lines of "oh he's a worthless troper, it doesn't care just delete it"?" raising a complain in an aggrieved fashion? Person has a problem with the shift key you show it and a dictionary to them, right? Not "oh he's trash".

      OK, where exactly did FE write: "oh he's a worthless troper, it doesn't care just delete it"? Or: "oh he's trash"? What I see in the edit history is this: "I don't give a hooty about serious or not. Person can't find their shift key? Who needs them?".

      The edits on the page are bad edits, sloppy, not properly punctuated and a mess. Someone else has to come in and clean up the mess. There is a big difference between relying on Wiki Magic to flesh out a page and relying on someone else to fix your bad writing.

      Suspending if not already suspended, we need to talk with this person in the forums.

      Wait, who's suspended, me or Casatodo? 'Cause I was just trying to do my job.

      Casatodo. You're fine.

      Er, it just came to my attention from the discussion page that the MLP Recap pages are being used as a forum to discuss the episodes, rather than the page. It's not too out of hand, but most of the discussion pages are about the episode.

      ETA: A quick check to the Doctor Who recaps reveals the same issue, to a smaller extent. What other popular, currently-airing shows are there to compare this with? Is this a problem with most Recap discussion pages?

      helterskelter make a new topic for this please.

      Yes, I was going to (and am, now)—I wasn't sure if this was considered acceptable for a recap page, so I didn't right away. A mod informing it was so wouldn't need it's own topic right away. :)
  • 1 Feb 13th, 2012 at 1:01PM
    Lastest Reply: 13th Feb, 2012 02:25:44 PM
    There's a troper called xEbb1993x whose handle name resembles that of Ebb1993 who just got suspended for repeated page-blanking. And like Ebb1993, he added several Sugar Wiki pages to YMMV (although he didn't blank any pages).

    Is he a sockpuppet of Ebb1993?

    EDIT To Add: Should these Sugar Wiki items he put in YMMV stay there or be removed? Reply

      Suspended xEbb1993x as a sockpuppet.

      ETA: Changed my mind and banned him for evasion. I don't have an answer to the Sugar Wiki/YMMV thing, I've been gone for a couple of months and need to do some catching up on things. Hopefully one of the other mods will weigh in soon.

  • 4 Feb 13th, 2012 at 7:07AM
    Lastest Reply: 13th Feb, 2012 11:44:52 AM
    I've seen Earl of Sandvich move the entire Half-Life series' page to the VideoGame/HalfLife namespace, while VideoGame/HalfLife1 was created for the original game. However, I haven't seen this being done to any other game pages at all, and as far as I know, the VideoGame/ namespace can only be used for a single game, plus I've never seen a VideoGame/Game1 if the number doesn't appear explicitly on the title. I tried PM'ing him, but received no answer.

    Is it a new system or is it incorrect and should be undone?

    UPDATE: Not only video games, all media. Reply

      There's plenty of precedent for adding a numeral to games that don't have them. Such as Final Fantasy I and Wild ARMs 1.

      I've heard people say that the main series page should go in Main, and that it should be namespaced, so I couldn't say which is our "official" policy on that.

      All media should always go to their respective namespace. We sometimes leave a disambiguation page on main if there is nothing else occupying it, but generally, main is for tropes.

      A series page gets split if the page gets too long and splitting it into its installments comes naturally.

      If two works of the same media type have the same name (mostly remakes) we normally add a number or the production year to the title. But I have seen Half-Life being called Half Life 1 a lot on the Internet.

      We often leave series pages on Main/ when the series is a multimedia franchise, such as Sonic the Hedgehog or X-Men. We can do that cuz they're indexes, and indexes go on Main, so it's fine. If the franchise only exists in one media, then we can namespace its franchise page appropriately.

      Thanks, guys (especially troacctid), that cleared it up for me.
  • 7 Feb 6th, 2012 at 6:06PM
    Lastest Reply: 13th Feb, 2012 06:22:33 AM
    Seems we're risking an Edit War here... Reply

      I stepped in on the history page and reverted the last set of deletions. Let us know if it continues. Thanks!

      You're welcome! Glad to be of service.

      UPDATE: kirbystarwarior has contacted me, and I've instructed him on how to avoid Edit Warring - he was doing it without knowledge of what it was.

      Seems we won't have a problem with him any longer B-)

      Uh, looks like kirbystarwarior decided to delete the examples again.

      Reverted it. I absolutely cannot see any legitimate reason for the deletions - going to send him a PM.

      EDIT: Done.

      Received a PM back. Looks like he didn't know about how to use Discussion and about how YMMV stuff works. I sent a long PM explaining. Hopefully, it's going to stick now.

      kirbystarwarior is being really obstinate about deleting those examples, and the reason he gave for deleting it a third time basically amounts to, "I don't agree, therefore it's wrong." I gave pretty explicit instructions in the reason field when I restored the examples, so if kirbystarwarior deletes them a fourth time, some corrective action may be required.

  • 2 Feb 12th, 2012 at 2:02AM
    Lastest Reply: 12th Feb, 2012 06:22:44 PM
    A couple of questions about musician pages.

    I know that the policy has been changed that things that happen offstage or that aren't a part of lyrics or promotional videos are no longer allowed on band or musician pages. I'm not trying to challenge that policy, so please don't take this as trying to start a fight over it or chip away at it., but I do have a couple of questions...

    1) If something happens offstage has a direct impact on performing, is it allowable to mention? I'll list one clear-cut example and two more gray ones for this.

    The first actual example: one of the two primary creative members of a band dies (Munetaka Higuchi of Loudness, for this example). Is it OK to list Author Existence Failure as a trope applying to the band in a case where the dead member was a founding member, lyricist, and played a vital role? Obviously he didn't die onstage or in a performance, but it happened, and made some major changes to performances and more.

    As another actual example, at least two bands I can think of have been subject to a Frivolous Lawsuit over their name, and therefore had to change their names slightly (X to X Japan and Versailles to Versailles Philharmonic Quartet. Both suits were definitely that trope. Is it okay, in that case, to list Frivolous Lawsuit as a trope applying to the musicians?

    As a hypothetical (and far more gray since it could be seen as libelous) example: a member leaves a band mid-tour due to an arrest or to go to rehab. The tour gets canceled (which is definitely an impact on performance if there ever was one). Would Off the Wagon be all right to include in the page?

    2) Are interviews and documented statements allowed? As in, for example, I know that we don't want people calling, say, Justin Bieber a Jerkass, but let's say there's someone who did a published interview and was like "Man, I was really an asshole." Is it allowable in *that* instance to list Jerkass with a link to the person himself saying he was one?

    This question's wondering if there's an "In-Universe" equivalent on musicians that would allow for some things about them as people IF they are invoked by the musician himself or herself (and could therefore arguably be seen as part of performance, because in Visual Kei, for example, interviews ARE part of performing)


      1a. You can't put Author Existence Failure on the main trope page for a musical group because it's Trivia. You can, however, put it on the Trivia subpage.
      1b. Out-of-universe, that sounds like a Trivia too, at best. Rule of thumb, if it happened for a movie or a TV show, would you want to list it?
      1c. I'd go with the same rule of thumb: if it happened to the director of a movie or an actor in a TV show, would it still be trope-worthy?

      Production issues in general are the sort of thing we often label as Trivia.

      2. Tropes like Jerkass are only going to be relevant insofar as they apply to the musician's on-stage persona. If it's part of the performance—like what do we call it when they talk to the audience between songs while the band tunes their instruments? Do We Have That One?—then it's In-Universe and it'll be fine.

      Thank you!!!!
  • 1 Feb 12th, 2012 at 10:10AM
    Lastest Reply: 12th Feb, 2012 01:03:25 PM
    We got a couple hecklers over here. Reply

      Looks like the discussion and the hecklers were zapped already.
  • 2 Feb 12th, 2012 at 12:12PM
    Lastest Reply: 12th Feb, 2012 12:45:16 PM
    Would The Champion go alphabetically in the C's or the T's? Reply
  • 6 Feb 12th, 2012 at 7:07AM
    Lastest Reply: 12th Feb, 2012 10:49:41 AM
    Ebb1993 blanked the TV Tropes page. I restored it. I doubt there have been any TRS activity for the page recently, since he left nothing on the page. Reply


      There are a lot more page-blankings by that person, btw.

      I went through some of the history. Could use some help with the rest.

      Working on that, Eddie.


      Finished my part, now. Darkaros, Roman55 and a few others fixed the rest.
  • 2 Feb 11th, 2012 at 6:06PM
    Lastest Reply: 11th Feb, 2012 07:50:19 PM
    I'm having random logout issues on and around the fora- sometimes when I click "Mark all conversations as read" or view a thread, it'll tell me I'm not logged in even though I just logged in like, two minutes ago. Deviant ART's been having the same issue, as a result of the combination of IE and Kaspersky (and their own incompetence), so that might have something to do with it. Reply

      Have you tried clearing your cookies and cache?

      Seems to have fixed it, thanks.
  • 6 Feb 11th, 2012 at 1:01PM
    Lastest Reply: 11th Feb, 2012 06:27:30 PM
    Should Disabled Love Interest's real life section be removed? It seems to just be list of "attractive disabled people". When this trope is suppose to be about love interests that are disabled,which is why it got renamed in the first place since people kept misusing it. Reply

      Apart from that, there really aren't issues with that section. No natter, soapboxing etc.

      Ginger Snaps has removed the real life section as well as bunch of other examples.

      All the examples in real life were misuse so I removed the entire folder, I also deleted all the non-couple examples I could see and was sorely tempted to just delete everything, the entire page (save for the description) gives off a really obnoxious "LOL SHE'S DISABLED BUT SHE'S HOT SO IT DOESN'T MATTER" vibe.

      ^Should probably go to TRS, then.

      ^^From what I understand, it was recently either renamed or split from a trope called Disabled Hottie or something like that - presumably, the examples weren't changed when the trope was.

  • 1 Feb 11th, 2012 at 4:04PM
    Lastest Reply: 11th Feb, 2012 04:37:48 PM
    If I want to make a page for a Live-Action TV show, what do I put instead of Main/? Do I put Series/, or Live-Action TV/? Reply
  • 3 Feb 10th, 2012 at 9:09AM
    Lastest Reply: 11th Feb, 2012 09:46:38 AM
    edward45 is deleting YMMV items over at the Naruto YMMV page without giving an edit reason. Reply

      It looks like he's trying to clean up some natter and Thread Mode (stuff he deleted seems more flamey than we prefer), but he really should leave edit reasons for deletions.

      I'll send a PM.

      I took my hands off the page, but the edit war still seems to be going on. Edit reason or not, this editor seems to be deleting things that most people agree are true. Usually the right course of action is to add the minority opinion (NOT in a new bullet point, NOT in an "however" clause) rather than just deleting the item.

      Sent a PM and took the example to discussion. Hoepfully this will work.
  • 5 Feb 11th, 2012 at 6:06AM
    Lastest Reply: 11th Feb, 2012 09:42:59 AM
    Is there a way to view the YKTTW page in such a way as to list every single active (not launched or discarded) YKTTW proposal? Reply

      Increase the number of 'keep' days. It is at the bottom of the page.

      Don't think so. I tried by typing in the URL: http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/yk_activity.php?interval=x, with x being the number of days the last YKTTW activity should be old, but it doesn't seem to work very well. I think the issue is that such a page would be insanely large.

      EDIT To Point at post below: Yes, it doesn't display all items out there, regardless of the setting.

      @Fast Eddie: That doesn't really work. I set it to 365, for example, and I didn't list anything that hasn't had changes older than January 30th, 2012. I know we have pages much older than that.

      The big thing I'm trying to do is look for stale YKTTW pages that are ready for launch or could be made ready for launch with a bit of work, but got abandoned for whatever reason. I'd also like be be able to see if there is arealy a YKTTW proposal out there can can be bumped related to new ideas that I have, rather than making duplicate proposals.

      I think you want this for old ones and http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/ykttw_search.php?term=Whatever
  • 5 Feb 10th, 2012 at 11:11AM
    Lastest Reply: 11th Feb, 2012 05:13:22 AM
    The tropes page for "Kingdom Under Fire" is locked and I can not find an explaination under the "Locked Pages" page. Does anyone know why it is locked? Reply

      Looks like it was cut for not being a real work. Unpublished works go in Darth Wiki. And anyway, works do NOT go in /Main/ even if published - see Namespace

      Btw, Locked Pages is only about existing pages. There are a few links for threads in there.

      Um, "unpublished"? With four games in the series? And a fifth on the way? What?

      Based on the history, I'd say it was cut for being very weak and nobody sprinkling any Wiki Magic fairy dust on it. If you know enough about the games to construct a proper page, go right ahead, but please make it here instead.

      EDIT: Ninja'd.

      Once the pages exist, you can ask for the main page to be unlocked to serve as an index for them, or, if there's not enough material on each game for them to have their own separate pages, it can be changed to a redirect.

      What I linked to would be an index for the series, but the Main namespace page could be a redirect to it.
  • 2 Feb 10th, 2012 at 1:01PM
    Lastest Reply: 10th Feb, 2012 10:16:29 PM
    When doing custom titles, does it keep the "Recap:" in the name at the top of the page? I just did a bunch because some titles I recapped have colons and apostrophes, but then I realized I don't know if the "Recap:" stays there, and I want it there. If typing the title without that in it removes "Recap:", then to change it do I just request a custom title again? Reply

      The custom title is namespace-specific and has no effect upon the namespace (i.e upon "Recap:"), unless "Recap" is part of the name.

      Okay, thanks :)
  • 1 Feb 10th, 2012 at 11:11AM
    Lastest Reply: 10th Feb, 2012 11:15:20 AM
    warcrouch appears to have decidedly sub-optimal English. Reply

      I'll suspend so we can talk with him about it.
  • 2 Feb 10th, 2012 at 10:10AM
    Lastest Reply: 10th Feb, 2012 10:58:17 AM
    I don't know if this is the place to ask this but... There was an old Western Animation series where three guys wore something that looked like plug suits. They'd get equipment beamed down to them via a space station and said equipment would attach to their plug suits. Any idea what the name of the show was and whether there's a tvtropes page on it. Reply

      This is not the place to ask this sort of question, alas. The place you want is You Know That Show.

      kk...thnx. didn't know a place like that existed.
  • 2 Feb 10th, 2012 at 7:07AM
    Lastest Reply: 10th Feb, 2012 08:51:42 AM
    There is a troper called Masonicon X whose handle name and edits resemble these from Masonicon II who was recently banned for bad writing.

    Specifically, Masonicon X has some pretty bad writing as well, as visible on his edits and also in this discussion, and he seems to have an interest for DarthWiki.The Ultimate Crossover Movie, a work that was created as The Ultimate Crossover Movie by Masonicon II and which I moved over to /Darth Wiki since it was unpublished.

    Can someone check if Masonicon X is a sockpuppet of Masonicon II and take appropriate measures if he is? Reply

      Check the edit history,its the same guy.

  • 5 Feb 7th, 2012 at 9:09PM
    Lastest Reply: 10th Feb, 2012 07:28:33 AM
    Not sure if it's appropiate to ask this here .... and frankly I'm not even sure if I should ask this at all, but:


    I've been able to recognize several tropers' names there, and the site's name is even a reference to the ol' Headscratchers series of pages. Is this site related to TV Tropes? I had never heard about the site before, at least I've not seen any page that links to this site. Reply

      We used to have an It Just Bugs Me forum, but it was shifted off-site because it was causing problems (someone else can provide specifics, I didn't actually go there).

      Ah, OK. More or less like how Fetish Fuel and Troper Tales were disowned?

      Basically. It's not officially connected to tvtropes in any way.

      We disowned IJBM because it was, unsurprisingly, a bile-filled morass of hate and loathing that dragged our forums and wiki down with it. Those who wished to preserve it opened that new site you are talking about.

      It's not as much of a bile-filled morass of hate and loathing though.

      I think.
  • 1 Feb 9th, 2012 at 10:10PM
    Lastest Reply: 9th Feb, 2012 10:13:03 PM
    A troper called starkid44 keeps trying to add real life examples to The Fair Folk, and has deleted a No Real Life Examples heading. Reply

      Suspended. Go ahead and clean up.
  • 3 Feb 9th, 2012 at 4:04PM
    Lastest Reply: 9th Feb, 2012 07:10:31 PM
    Ok. I know on a works page, you can if you choose to, to alphabetetize the tropes list.

    My question is can you alphabetize the works on a trope page inside their respective folder sections? Official information please not opinion. Reply

      The official answer is: if you want to. Both ways of doing it (last at bottom, alphabetical) have merits and we have not settled on either one as absolutely wrong or right.

      The only trick to alpha is that you have to make sure that the examples use the Work: description format or are very close to it.

      I prefer alphabetized.

      Thank you both.
  • 14 Feb 8th, 2012 at 5:05AM
    Lastest Reply: 9th Feb, 2012 04:52:31 PM
    According to Permanent Red Link Club, YMMV pages about real people will always be cut. If this is so, where do we put the YMMV items those people display examples of? Reply

      Can you explain how real life people display YMMV items?

      You do not put them anywhere. We have no interest in troping real people in this manner.

      Shouldn't the YMMV tab be disabled for them, then? =/

      That's a Tech Wishlist issue. Part of the problem is we set these pages to "a creator" but this type doesn't distinguish between actors and authors. Authors can have YMMV pages related to their works.

      What about musicians?

      If it's a human being that exists in the real world, no YMMV. Neither the page nor any of the tropes marked so.

      YMMV tropes can apply to real people, but they automatically attract edit warring and trolls.

      Unless they are in a story. Real Life stuff In-Universe is like any other fictional stuff.

      What if a song by a musician has YMMV items?

      People who create works — artists, authors, etc. — can have YMMV pages detailing the YMMV items in their works, with the caveat that if their works have separate articles, such items should also be moved to those articles' YMMV pages. They cannot have YMMV items about them as people.

      Edit: I changed that paragraph in Permanent Red Link Club to explain this.

      Bands are considered works, not creators. Pages for solo musicians should be in the Music/ namespace, and should trope the music, not the person. They can have a creator page as well, but it should be separate.

      Just so we're clear on this: does this mean things like Periphery Demographic would have to be pulled?

      From an artist's YMMV page? Not at all — Periphery Demographic is about their work, not them as a person. The entry has to be careful to make that clear, though. It can't be an excuse to bitch at them or their fans.

      Could you please help me clean up Taylor Swift?

      Done. See how I did it and use that as your example.