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open Moral Event Horizon Crowner: Ad 3
The Trope Repair shop has agreed to the following criteria for Moral Event Horizon.
- Must be willfully crossed by those with moral agency.
- The deed marks a change in the portrayal of the character.
- The deed is outstandingly evil by the standards of the story.
- Those crossing the MEH need to retain presence / agency in the story long enough for the MEH to affect their portrayal.
- Only applies to individuals not groups (unless small enough to judge each member individually) as groups lack individual moral agency and its individuals can vary in it.
- The deed must be played seriously and not comedically.
- Must be intentional by the narrative and only applies to intentional villains (if they weren't clearly intended as clear-cut villains before crossing they are afterward).
- Needs to be part of a work with a continuity (i.e no Negative Continuity)
Because of this new, strict criteria, there is now a crowner for determining if MEH should become objective, meaning it will be able to be listed on the work's main page instead of the YMMV page.
The crowner will be called soon, so if you want to have a say in Moral Event Horizon staying YMMV or not, you still have a chance to vote and should do so now. Do not reply to this post and take any discussion to the TRS thread.
Edited by Kevjro7open Need an explanation as to what is wrong with my entry.
I just got a PM saying one of my edits on Readings Are Off the Scale was in error. They didn't say what the problem was and I need clarification. I don't know if the issue is in my grammar, capitalization or punctuation. I do know my spelling is correct and my quote is taken directly off the game where I used the example (if someone is going to pm me BE SPECIFIC, otherwise all you're doing is confusing me. Tell me the exact problem with the example so I can fix it)
openWhat does the Lock expire mean?
Whenever, I'm editing the Lock expires is shown, but what is the lock expire supposed to mean?
Edited by Leiksopen Up to Eleven Crowner
There is currently a TRS thread for Up To Eleven with an active crowner. If you wish to vote on the crowner or otherwise participate, now would be a good time to do so. We only ask that you read through the thread before voting, and vote based on what you think would be best. And if you would like to suggest new options or discuss the ones already on the table, we would certainly welcome that too.
Edited by ImperialMajestyXOopen Guns Do Not Work That Way TRS Crowner
There is currently a TRS thread for Guns Do Not Work That Way with an active crowner. If you wish to vote on the crowner or otherwise participate, now would be a good time. We only ask that you read the thread before voting, and vote based on what you think would be best. And if you would like to suggest new options or discuss the ones already on the table, we would certainly welcome that.
openPossible trope shoehorning?
I don't know where else to ask this, but this is on the entry for Westview in general on the relevant MCU character page.
- Where the Hell Is Springfield??: Played straight in the sitcom-reality, where the town is the only location shown, with no other distinguishing landmarks. Subverted, or potentially just circumvented by clashing genres, in Episode 4, the first episode centered on SWORD's activity outside the bubble, where the town is confirmed to be in New Jersey.
But that doesn't make any sense, Westview is established to be in New Jersey. I removed that trope way back when the location was established earlier in the season. (And back then someone tried to claim it still counted because we didn't know where in NJ it was.)
What the sitcom reality shows shouldn't be relevant as long as we know its in NJ, right?
Edited by HarpieSirenopenIs red linking for future works allowed?
Yesterday, I edited WandaVision's description to change a mention of the upcoming film Doctor Strange in the Multiverse of Madness to a Red Link, since that page says to "always link to works even if it doesn't have a page yet, unless the work would violate the Content Policy—it makes it easier for when someone eventually writes it up." Not long afterwards, King Clark edited the page to (among many other things) revert the link back to plain text.
In the interest of avoiding an edit war, I wanted to make sure that adding red links for future works without pages is allowed (since, in this case, someone will undoubtedly make the page once sufficient pre-release material comes out).
openEdits in Yu-Gi-Oh! Character pages and some concerns with a user
Not sure if this is the right place to post this, but I am a tad concerned about the way a user named "Wuz" is editing pages under the Yu-Gi-Oh! Card Game area. To wit, this user seems to be cutting quite a number of tropes on the pages citing misuse, particularly with Type and Attribute descriptors and other stuff like Gameplay and Story Integration. I'm not certain if some of these tropes being cut actually do constitute misuse, per se, but I'd like some form of consensus or a second opinion first.
I also find some concern with how that user is editing stuff like the Sacred Beast section in this page. While it may be true that the section might be a bit long (I am considering splitting it into its own page at some point, personally). I don't know if the way this user is going about the edits is constructive, since the user tends to favor straight up cutting examples rather than trying to find alternative tropes that some examples could go under, if indeed trope misuse has occurred. My approach, personally, has always been to try and adapt already inputted text to other more fitting tropes rather than straight up cutting them. The comments that this user has posted while editing the page, saying that he feels like "cutting everything" or that he is "done with" proper editing in favor of cutting text, is somewhat concerning to me, and I feel that it sets a bad precedent for future edits. I don't think a user who is in favor of simply cutting text wholesale rather than finding ways to try and retain said text in some form is generally going to appear constructive to the site, especially if said text isn't blatantly unfitting, trope misuse, or something offensive.
I did edit back in much of the text in the Sacred Beast section that was removed by this user. However, this is more in the interest of me trying to see how it could potentially be edited to better fit wiki standards. It would be harder to do this if much of this text was straight up deleted, as this user seems apt to do. I have also taken some of the users comments into consideration and made some edits to the text to be a little compliant to such comments. However, I do acknowledge that this can be a long process. Part of the reason I am making this inquiry is also in the interest of avoiding an edit war, since I can reasonable foresee one occurring at some point.
The user also does not appear to have as good a grasp of English, so there are some grammar issues I see in his edits. This is not a big concern, IMO, but I feel that it is somewhat of an issue if the text he replaces with his edits had better grammar that what he is replacing it with. When I edit, I try to use a more professional and formal voice rather than a casual one, which this user seems to favor, but that's not a big concern on my part.
I apologize if this is not the correct place to post this, but I'm not sure where else to do so. I hope to seek a second opinion from some one on the matter if the approach this user is taking with those pages is proper or not.
Edited by XDiakosopenGrammar Issues
The troper Pizza Fall is demonstrating consistent grammar issues. I sent them a notifier a few days ago, but it hasn't helped at all.
Examples:
- On this page, there's tense issues, a word or two seems to be missing from the first post, some repetition in the second one, as well as some punctuation issues.
- On this page, I don't know what this sentence ("On top of that, the game is highly soloable enough as is with the Duty Finder basically making it a drop in multiplayer") is trying to say, and while not grammar related, this entire "headscratcher answer" is just a complaint about one of the characters. Also, capitalization issues toward the bottom where they stopped capitalizing Blue Mage.
- The edit that made me notice them, which is not only basically a ZCE (what is it even trying to say), but shows some obvious grammar and writing issues, including word misspellings and tense issues again.
These are their three most recent edits. I'm sure going further will show more problems.
open More on... A Serbian Film
Yeah, remember everyone's favourite Torture Porn documentary?
It turns out while the main page itself is left intentionally blank for a decade due to controversial content, there is still a Sandbox page for this film (EDIT: Over here). Which kind of defeats the purpose of... uh, NOT allowing the page in the first place?
What to do about this?
Edited by RobertTYLopen Does mere possibility of disagreement make something YMMV?
Edited title. I'll get the answer to this question and then proceed with specifics in Trope Talk.
Edited by AGuy
open Correct namespace?
So I want to make a useful notes page for the Holy Lance, and somebody here told me that it should go to the "folklore and mythology" section. Thing is, the namespaces in that section is either "Literature" or "Myth" (like Myth.Classical Mythology or Literature.The Bible), while the Holy Lance is an object. In the discussion that prompted that draft in the first place, we decided that "objects alone don't count as tropes", which means that I can't put it on that "Main" namespace.
So where should I put it?
openConfusing entry edit Videogame
I was going to ask this on the page's cleanup thread, but I feel I should get some opinions here first.
I know that The Last Of Us Part II is an extremely controversial game, but its entry on the Overshadowed by Controversy's Video Games page was edited a few hours ago from this:
"[...]both critics and defenders of the game launched toxic attacks on one another, including detractors sending death threats to Laura Bailey (whose only involvement in the game was voicing one of said controversial new characters)"
to this, by the user Technomancer 02:
"both critics and defenders of the game launched toxic attacks on one another, including detractors and supporters sending death threats to Laura Bailey (whose only involvement in the game was voicing one of said controversial new characters)"
It's probably just me, but it strikes me as confusing that supporters of a game would bash someone in the same way as their hatedom? I know nothing of the situation so I thought I would ask anyone familiar with the work.
openBatman controversy 2.0 Print Comic
Our favorite Dark Knight never seems to stay away from controversy for too long, and this time, it's two-fold.
First, Batman's folder in the DCAMU: Justice League character page has Adaptational Wimp, which says: "Downplayed. This incarnation of Batman is still a good fighter and he has his moments like getting the upper hand over Green Lanterns in the Justice League movies. But in his own films, aside from being able to defeat Deathstroke, himself an even worse Adaptational Wimp, in Son of Batman, he tends to get the short end of the stick in his titular films. In Batman Vs Robin he spent most of his fights taking a beating from various Talons, Robin, and the main Talon, while his comics counterpart was able to defeat Talon even after being famished and dehydrated for days. He also spends much of Bad Blood being captured and playing the role of Badass in Distress so he can be saved by the Bat-family. And in Hush, while he did much better in fights, he still wasn't able to defeat the eponymous villain on his own in the end and required the help of Catwoman to do so, whereas his comic books counterpart was able to beat The Riddler when he had been similarly physically enhanced by Venom during the Knightfall story. Justified with Damian. In Apokolips War, a brainwashed Batman reveals that the only reason Damian won is because he let him, and during their last fight he proves to his son that the latter is no match for him."
Adaptational Wimp has been frequently misused over these past few years, but the trope's definition is: "when their usefulness, agency, and contribution to the plot is significantly reduced. It is not this trope when the character "only" easily defeated twenty Mooks instead of a hundred; it's when the character struggled to take down even one. Realize too, that this may be intentional and in a long-running series may have the character take a level in badass to provide Character Development and align them better with the original version."
Then, the Dork Age entry in the YMMV page of Batman (Rebirth) was deleted and added yet again, because apparently, a consensus hasn't been reached about whether or not Tom King's run can be considered a Dork Age. Dork Age, much like Adaptational Wimp, has seen its fair share of misuses, but an entry in a long-running franchise can be a Dork Age if it qualities for any of the following criteria: 1. It has to be a critical and financial disappointment
2. Any changes it brought to the series must be undone by later installments
3. Whenever it's referenced by other entries, it has to be done in a negative manner.
So, what do you say?
Edited by MasterHeroopenOutriders Trope Page
Now that the demo is out and people have had a chance to play it, do you think it's okay to remake the page for the game?
openQuestion regarding notes
Regarding Notes and Labelnotes, do they go before or after punctuation at the end of a sentence?
openEdit war
On NightmareFuel.Pinocchio, there was a section comparing the Coachman's Nightmare Face to other nightmare faces from other media. I removed it because it wasn't relevant, but laar2002 re-added some of them (along with some new ones) without so much as a discussion or reasoning.
Edited by MrMediaGuy2
There is currently an active crowner for Elemental Hair in the Appearance Tropes Cleanup Thread. If you want to vote on the crowner or participate in the discussion, now would be a good time.