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• Complete Monster: According to "Beard With Glue": YOU. Or at least, whoever the song is being sung to. That person sneaks off and punches orphaned Brazilians, and it's implied that they murdered their friends, "drowning them in blood". They're so bad, a bullfrog hates them and James Blunt wishes they would fall on their burger and fries.

Uhh.. aren't these comedy videos?

On Xenia, she definitely qualifies.

@Iaculus @Lightysnake about The Kid, The Stand:

The Kid balances out against evil deeds of others in the book because him, Flagg, and a gang of rapists that don't even count as full characters make up for the lone Complete Monsters in a book otherwise populated by dynamic flawed human characters.

A: He is a side character only present for thirty pages. Whithin those pages he meets another character and forces him at gunpoint to come along with him on his travels. He regularly threatens him and forces him to do small things like drink warm beer at gunpoint, or go run errands for him at gunpoint, and sometimes flips out and gets close to killing his hostage for no reason. He carves cufflinks out of human teeth. The most blatantly horrifying is the scene where he forces the character to give him a handjob at gunpoint, and then rapes him in the ass with the barrel of his pistol. By the end of the chapter this character is emotionally and spiritually broken and schemes for escape like a prisoner.

B: I described above to Iaculus, but it's also worth mentioning again that he is a character explicitly designed to shock and horrify. With one exception, every other character in the novel is ultimately human with good and bad qualities. This guy is a psychopath.

C: Why? These actions are spoilers.

Thank you, I feel good about potentially qualifying him now.

However, this is a no spoilers forum. Unless it's something very new, we don't use large spoiler tags

I'll submit the revised write-ups for Mandible, Raoul, and Chase to the edit request thread.

Being familiar with both Goldeneye and Strange Days, I'll agree that Xenia and Max are both keeps. I didn't get the impression that he cared about Faith at all other than for sex.

EDIT: Should there be a section for David Fincher on Monster.Film now that two of his films have entries (Panic Room and Se7en)?

edited 24th Oct '13 2:19:20 AM by Morgenthaler

He'd need 3.

Xenia is a keeper, though I've not seen Goldeneye in ages (noticing a pattern here? ) to provide a decent write-up.

As for Strange Days, I'm still not that inclined towards thinking Max is heinous enough for the setting, but I'm willing to rewatch the film to refresh my memory (have it on DVD), which I'll do after I catch up on the TVT forums this morning.

Speaking of Bond villainesses, how bad is Rosa Klebb? Been a long time since I watched From Russia With Love.

https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/posts.php?discussion=6vic3f9h1cy5qivsenw8llok&page=728#18179 Anyone?

The ace attorney examples look fine to me.

Regarding Max from Strange Days, after rewatching the film just now (instead of going from memory) I'm going to withdraw my objection to listing Max as a CM for that film. I had forgotten about what he did to Iris and frying the exec's brain with a SQuID overload. I'm also not buying that Max truly loved Faith, after the confession scene, taking "loved someone" off the table as a redeeming quality as far as I'm concerned.

An update from this week's Uncanny Avengers that somehow managed to make Sabretooth's Moral Event Horizon from X-Force even more horrible, if such a thing is possible. You know Logan's killing of Daken? Yeah, turns out Creed filmed it. If that wasn't bad enough, the Apocalypse Twins, who come from the future, reveal that Creed will soon give the tape to Red Skull, who releases it, context-free of course, to the public, obliterating their sympathy for Wolverine and mutants in general and kicking off the Skull's mutant Final Solution plan (which the Twins escaped from in their future). You think we should add this to his entry?

Absolutely. Let's just wait till the arc is over

It might be a while; the Apocalypse Twins arc is going at least until January, and then there's the Bad Future arc probably coming after that.

No worries. We're in no hurry

How did Sabertooth force Wolvy to kill Daken anyway?

@ Very Melon: Ah yes, the three examples rule. On the other hand, most of the directors listed have only two examples. I'd also favor moving Gibson's movies back to the other folders because he didn't direct The Patriot, he only starred in it. Roland Emmerich was the director of that movie.

I'd like to make several suggestions:

Having watching The Crow: City of Angels, I can vouch for Judah being a keep. While not interested in destroying things purely for the sake of it, he's about as bad as Top Dollar and his rule over his city is even more absolute, which he uses to turn his kingdom into a complete dystopia. A self-admitted sadist, he doesn't care about anyone else and he has no problems killing children, women, or animals. He's apparently responsible for killing dozens of people based on the number of crows who come for him. It really speaks volumes of how terrified or corrupted the people have become that he can hang a person from a lamp post in the street and whip him to death in front of everyone.

It seems that Derek Powers aka Blight from Batman Beyond was deemed the only keep from that show. Permission to add him to the Monster.Western Animation page?

I've considered villains in the Alien series. Carter Burke it seems was cut after a discussion on his intent to sacrifice all the colonists and how much he cared, but I think there's one character worse than him in the fourth film, Alien: Resurrection: Dr. Mason Wren.

Who is Mason Wren? What has he done?

Dr. Wren is the head scientist of a military expedition performing illegal experiments on human subjects to bring back the aliens. He clones Ripley multiple times to extract the hibernating Queen. Most of the clones are born mutated and die agonizing deaths, which he stores for further study. He keeps the second-to-last one alive in constant pain and agony. He persuades his CO to make a deal with a gang of space pirates to kidnap dozens of people so he can implant them with face huggers. He is ready to execute all of the pirates on the mere suspicion that one of them might be an infiltrator. When they all try to get off the ship, he betrays the others and murders Call as soon as he gets a weapon and leaves everyone else to be killed by the Xenomorphs. He later threatens to kill a hostage in a last attempt to win.

Redeeming qualities?

None. He only shows smug satisfaction and not a flicker of remorse on his face when he monitors the travelers waking up to be impregnated by face huggers, and he's only interested in using the aliens as a bioweapon. He never expresses any sorrow for all his colleagues who have died because of his illegal experiments.

Conclusion

Dr. Wren exceeds pretty much every other human villain in heinousness, is directly responsible for all his crimes, and has no redeeming traits. Seems to be a keep.

edited 24th Oct '13 12:37:32 PM by Morgenthaler

I thought the three example rule was for subpages, not folders.

Also, Derek Powers/Blight is already on Monster.DCAU

edited 24th Oct '13 12:37:15 PM by TVRulezAgain

The three example rule is the minimum size for subpages.

I believe that sorting /Film examplepages by director is nonstandard, though; I would stay with alphabetic.

Well, when I was folderizing the Film sandbox, I got the "Directors / Film in general" folder from the MoralEventHorizon.Film page. I just thought the folder might be useful for certain things, such as the works of Sergio Leone, where CM's generally crop up, or the different incarnations of The Joker.

Manipulated Daken into a lot of evil actions and had him attack Wolverine, forcing Logan to kill him.

Now...going through the anime subpages. There's a lot that need rewrites, but lets start with Fist Of The North Star...all of the big Three CM need rewrites. I'll do one for Jackal too because more and more I am convinced he counts.

• Jagi, despite being a comparative wimp to most martial artists makes up for it with his heartlessness and sadism. When he and his brother disciples were trained in the art of Hokuto no Ken, Jagi believed in winning however he could and even attempted to murder Kenshiro when Kenshiro was announced as the successor. Escaping with hideous disfigurement, Jagi became the leader of a roving gang of brigands that murdered families while taking the women to rape and sell into slavery. Jagi manipulated Kenshiro's good friend Shin into betraying Kenshiro, leaving him for dead and kidnapping Kenshiro's love Yuria as well. Among his many brutal murders, Jagi dedicated himself to ruining Kenshiro's good name by impersonating him, and thanks to a serious brother complex he had, when a little boy defended his elder brother, Jagi took the younger brother into the desert, chained him to a cinder block and left him there, solely because "no younger brother should surpass the elder!" He also had a tendency to kill at random if someone's facial features reminded him of Kenshiro and showed a habit of slaughtering his men at the drop of a hat. As Kenshiro said: Hell is too good for him.
• Amiba, a martial arts prodigy turned Mad Scientist who performed hideous experiments on innocent people. Having townspeople brought to him, Amiba would experiment by pushing their pressure points in ways that would inflict hideous agony or even bring lingering death, or just make their limbs or bodies explode. Amiba showed no hesitation performing these experiments on children and impersonate Kenshiro's elder brother disciple Toki in these actions. Amiba did so in order to ruin Toki's name, knowing Toki was a kind man who dedicated his life and talents to helping others. The reason for his hatred? Amiba's ego couldn't stand Toki receiving praise for his healing abilities and when Amiba carelessly injured an old man to show he was better, Toki accidentally struck Amiba out of the way to save his victim. Amiba is willing to kill countless people, inflicting emotional and physical trauma on everyone he encounters solely to satisfy his own ego as a 'genius'
• Emperor Souther, the Holy Emperor, in the OVA has all of the evil deeds of his manga counterpart, but none of the inadequate Freudian Excuse. Souther runs a brutal empire that enslaves thousands of innocent children and works them to death. He poisons supplies he knows the rebellion will steal (and knows they'll give the food to their children first and throws himself huge banquets, eats a small plate, and destroys the rest, all for the sick glee of watching the starving slaves suffer, while having them beaten if they try to eat any of the excess. His old friend Shu, the rebellion's leader? Souther forces him, with cut tendons, to make his way up an enormous pyramid holding the enormous stone cap piece meant to finish it...if he drops it, every single slave will die; and if anyone helps him, Souther tells them their families will be executed. And then, once Shu finally does make it to the top of that pyramid? The bastard orders his archers to put arrows into him, and then finishes him off with a thrown spear.
• Jackal somehow manages to rival even the above three in depravity. Jackal and his men are harassing a village with an orphanage for its water. Jackal's men murder seven-year-old Taki for trying to collect the water they claim as "theirs", even if without the water, the rest of the orphans and their caretaker Toyo will die of thirst. But even after the orphans and Toyo are subdued, Jackal feels the need to sadistically kill them. Jackal purposefully gives Toyo a mortal stab wound, just so she could live long enough to watch one of the orphans hanged by his men. To make matters worse, Jackal then tries to kill the kids by strapping dynamite to their backs in order to keep Kenshiro from going after him. When Kenshiro tracks him down at Villainy Prison, Jackal manipulates a giant convict by the name of Devil Rebirth to become his pawn to fight Kenshiro by pretending to be his long-lost brother.

Know who needs a rewrite? The Major from Hellsing

• The leader of the 'Last Battalion'' of the Nazi remnant Millennium, The Major is an unassuming, jovial fat little man who has one defining characteristic: his love of war. The Major, after surviving World War 2, consolidated his forces in South America where they awaited their chance for one final, glorious combat. Acting behind the scenes, the Major had multiple humans turned into vampires, having them slaughter innocent people to slowly reveal himself to Hellsing. Finally taking center stage, the Major launched an attack on London, obliterating everything he saw and having his men slaughter every living thing in sight, including babies. The Major confesses there is no end goal for it: the means of combat and war are their own end. The Major shows no hesitation in killing one of his own officers when he objects to the Major carelessly sacrificing their soldiers, and his ultimate goal is to die at the conclusion of his war, after having created one last great display of carnage he so loves.

for the Rainbow examples

• From Rainbow: Nisha Rokubou no Shichinin we have two examples
  • First is the prison doctor Sasaki. Sasaki hides behind the veneer of a kindly old man but in reality, he is a cruel sadist who regularly rapes attractive male prisoners. Sasaki coerces them by holding privileges and favors over their heads. One prisoner is eventually Driven to Suicide thanks to Sasaki's molestations. Sasaki schemes with the warden Ishihara to murder anyone who knows the truth and after leaving behind the prison, continues molesting young boys when conducting a political campaign.
  • Sasaki's partner in crime at the prison, Warden Ishihara. Ishihara is a corrupt prison warden who delights in exercising sadistic authority over the prisoners by regularly conducting beatings or giving out punishments that are massively out of proportion to minor offenses. Ishihara gives prisoners to Sasaki to rape and proposes murdering those who discover the truth to cover his tracks. When theseries initial hero, Sakuragi, finally defeats Ishihara, he gives the warden the evidence of Sasaki's crimes to make Ishihara leave his friends alone. Ishihara's response is to stab him.

edited 24th Oct '13 1:08:37 PM by Lightysnake

For the record, we previously had an inconclusive conversation about Jackal many moons ago here, if anyone wants context. Also, I really need to do a re-read of the relevant chapters and present the case for Uighur, the series's other Complete Monster candidate.

I'd agree with Uighur counting. Those five are the series' monsters, IMO.

Morgenthaler, I vote for the good doctor Wren. Can you do a Judah writeup perchance?

Does anyone have objections to Sandbox.Monster Video Games And Visual Novels?

None.