So reality shows are a tricky thing to trope since they involve real people, but there are a few things that can certainly be fixed.
(I am mainly referring to the pages for the show Big Brother for this, as that is the franchise that needs the most fixing (to my knowledge) and will be the source of several examples.)
- Information added during a season should be updated to present-tense, or (more commonly) removed since opinions can drastically shift from episode to episode.
- YMMV tropes (particularly ones like The Scrappy) should be kept to a minimum unless there is readily available/understandable reason for being listed. Opinions on real people can differ easily and drastically.
- For some reason these shows tend to attract a lot of misused tropes, which need to be fixed.
- And most of all, the character pages need a long look over because they're essentially a dumping ground for whatever's on the troper's mind, and are almost always added during the season proper (leaving their trope descriptions left in past-tense).
Examples of problematic Character Tropes
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#52: Aug 1st 2023 at 1:43:54 PM
Uh, well, I think it depends on the show. For instance, Jeff Probst from Survivor can't really be called a character since he isn't given any narrative or editing or anything. IDK about Ramsey because I'm sure his aggressive shouting and insulting is a character or at least it's a more exaggerated version of him who is pretty much expected to scream and yell.
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#53: Aug 1st 2023 at 1:48:49 PM
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I agree that Ramsay'a definitely playing it up for the cameras. But... he's still Ramsay.
If someone adopts a larger than life persona on a talkshow, gameshow or almost anything that's not a Reality TV show, it would be considered real life troping.
The Reality Show exception is supposedly because manipulative editing portrays the contestants in ways they can't control. With hosts and presenters, who are running the show, can we still claim that's the case?
(And yes, Probst has a character sheet here - which feels like an easy cut?)
Edited by Mrph1 on Aug 1st 2023 at 9:50:23 AM
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#54: Aug 1st 2023 at 1:50:53 PM
I mean, like I said, depends on the show. Some of them I'm sure will put on characters or allow themselves to be edited to achieve an ideal or entertaining version of themselves even if they aren't involved in the "narrative". Others will just be the real person with minimal alterations.
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#55: Aug 4th 2023 at 10:50:18 AM
Just discovered Kitchen Nightmares S6 E15 "Amy's Baking Company" and I have some concerns.
Even in a reality show setting, should we be describing real people as "psychotic"? Or talking about how they acted on social media after the show aired...
I'd suggest the last four paragraphs of the intro - about real life events outside the show itself - can be cut?
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#56: Aug 4th 2023 at 11:01:53 AM
The issue with this episode is that I'm pretty sure this is just... real life. Like I think it's just how the real life Amy acts, and not a character the show had to create.
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#57: Aug 6th 2023 at 8:37:29 AM
Revisiting the previous comments on Ramsay -
There's now an ATT discussing whether or not RL celebrity chef Gordon Ramsay becomes a tropeable character when hosting his Reality TV shows.
Specifically, is a Characters page character sheet permitted + can NRLEP tropes be used about him in that context. Ramsay currently has at least two Characters page profiles.
(As it mentions on the ATT, entries for documentary Boiling Point suggest that his Angry Chef persona from shows like Masterchef is actually toned down from what the original documentaries saw of the RL Ramsay - which suggests it's not an exaggerated fictional persona for the cameras)
If you have a view on this topic, please comment on the ATT post
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(For what it's worth, this is my last attempt to untangle this sort of thing for the moment - if we can't get a consensus / mod decision on Ramsay, I'll do the Drag Race amends that seem to have support, then give up before I turn into a Single-Issue Wonk)
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#58: Aug 6th 2023 at 9:48:10 AM
If he isn't playing an exaggerated persona on the documentary, I think it makes sense to not trope him for that particular work.
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#59: Aug 6th 2023 at 10:19:32 AM
As mentioned on the ATT, that may need some NRLEP cleanup - but if that's the real life Ramsay captured by the documentary, and the "only big difference" is his restaurant empire, what's the supporting evidence that the Masterchef etc. version qualifies as a fictional persona?
In this case the documentary confirms that, if anything, he's toned down for the Reality TV stuff. From the Boiling Point documentary's page:
- Angry Chef: Gordon Ramsay shows himself at perhaps his angriest in this series, throwing insults, menacing to sack and going on long angry tirades whenever someone screws up. Somewhat justified in that he's poured tens of thousands of pounds on his new restaurant and his livelihood is on the line.
- Berserk Button: Just about everything you'd expect from Ramsay, though in Beyond Boiling Point he takes particular issue with some of his chefs trying to pass off week old produce as new stuff.
- Early-Installment Weirdness: Averted, for the most part. Ramsay is a touch more vitriolic in Boiling Point than usual, but the series still provides just about everything you'd expect. The only big difference between the 1998—2000 Ramsay and the modern-day one is that he doesn't own quite as many restaurants.
- Jerkass: It might come as a shock to find that Ramsay somehow manages to turn his Jerkassery up to eleven in Boiling Point. Rather than just yelling at the chefs and staff members at his restaurant he goes on lengthy tirades against them, using just about every insult imaginable. By Beyond Boiling Point he had toned his act down just a little
As mentioned on the ATT, that may need some NRLEP cleanup - but if that's the real life Ramsay captured by the documentary, and the "only big difference" is his restaurant empire, what's the supporting evidence that the Masterchef etc. version qualifies as a fictional persona?
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#60: Aug 6th 2023 at 10:20:19 AM
Well, Berserk Button is misuse regardless of anything else.
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#61: Aug 6th 2023 at 2:43:39 PM
I'll post here what I wrote in the ATT thread Mrph referred to since I actually think Gordon Ramsay as a host is tropable.
This was brought up in a related thread about troping contestants of Game Shows. After the crowner that made contestants of game shows not tropable under NRLEP, it was brought to the thread's attention that reality competition shows (like Masterchef, American Idol, America's Next Top Model, etc) are kind of in a weird grey area and that the NRLEP designation for contestants on these shows should likely be done on a case-by-case basis. Fighteer actually suggested a blanket ban that included such shows that was rejected (here's his post and you can follow the convo from there).
I think even more than contestants, hosts of such shows are tropable because hosts are either selected because they fit the overall show concept or the show was created around the host's public persona anyways, making that public persona a central part of the show as a piece of media. Whether or not Ramsay's persona is fake or real to who he is doesn't matter. The fact that this is how he is presented in these shows and how these shows are built around his angry Caustic Critic persona does.
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#62: Aug 7th 2023 at 9:06:49 AM
Hm, yeah it looks like his "angry chef" persona is still there whether it's real or not and your point about hosts makes sense. I suppose it's tropable when things are presented that way.
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#63: Sep 22nd 2023 at 9:47:15 AM
From Characters.Masterchef:
Eddie Jackson:
- Breakout Character: Out of all the MasterChef alumni, he has the distinction of being one of the most prominent star chefs at Food Network.
Nicholas "Nick" DiGiovanni:
- Breakout Character: After the competition, Nick became the most prominent contestant from the cast, with a Youtube channel of 12 million subscribers (and still growing today), and became even more known than the actual winner of the season.
Our troping of contestants as characters is supposed to start and end with the Reality Show they're in. Anything about their career success after the show is troping them as real people/creators, and I don't believe it's covered by the exception.
Anyone in favour of keeping these?
More generally, I'm not sure Breakout Character can really apply to contestants in this sort of contest - unless they come back within the franchise for reasons unrelated to their success in competition?
Edited by Mrph1 on Sep 22nd 2023 at 5:49:03 PM
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#64: Oct 2nd 2023 at 5:44:56 PM
Not sure whether to cut Jeff Probst's character section, but there are some tropes relating to his twitter and Mark Burnett's book that I have indeed cut
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#65: Oct 5th 2023 at 3:39:34 PM
Moral Event Horizon is a very dumb trope to apply to reality shows unless the event is remarkably obviously abhorrent.
As such removing the following from Big Brother's YMMV Moral Event Horizon section
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- The Signature Scene of Big Brother 19 is pretty much everyone (Sans Mark, Kevin, Elena, and Ramses early on) in the backyard yelling at Jessica and Cody at Paul's bequest. Moments like these pretty much solidified the house as the most hated house this side of Big Brother 9 and 15, with Cameron (Evicted Day one) being more liked than half the house. Even poor Megan (who was hated inside the house but not outside), who walked from the agony she faced inside the house, and sweet-natured Jillian, (who was severely unlucky throughout her short run), were more beloved than these contestants. The fact that the final five have only one contestant at near the top of the popularity ratings (Kevin, the one on the outs with the rest) while the other four aside from neutral-rated base-breaker Josh are circling the drain at the bottom, shows how shitty things got in the end.
- Cody and Jessica themselves crossed it repeatedly beforehand for some viewers, making extremely hateful, transphobic comments (Cody), treating other houseguests poorly in-general (including the aforementioned Megan-hate which they helped spearhead), making racist comments (Jessica), bodyshaming people (Jessica), and betraying their alliance.
- Brett crosses it in Big Brother 20 when he verbally trashes Rockstar live on the same night that her daughter is celebrating her tenth birthday and almost certainly watching at home. Rockstar herself calls it "disgusting" several times.
- Memphis and several other houseguests in Big Brother 22 crossed the line by making fun of Ian for being Autistic and laughing about it without remorse. All of their reputations soon tanked horribly, with Nicole F losing her sponsors and Memphis recieving death threats for instigating the incident.
- Ika crossed it in the infamous scene where she callously shredded the housemates' letters from home in BB Canada 2, though it wasn't the shredding of the letters that did it it— it was how she came to the conclusion of wanting to do it. She spoke candidly thinking she wasn't going to be monitored by the other people in the house, saying some incredibly cold-blooded and vengeful things, and gleefully shredded several (and regretting a select few she had to destroy)... only to see them after destroying the letters and get rightfully cussed out and flipped off. She had a right to take the $5,000 check because Ika knew nobody in the house was going to keep her safe from eviction, but showed too much delight in screwing over the house in a very sadistic manner.
- Big Brother 23:
- Sarah Beth putting the beloved Derek X on the block as a backdoor eviction was the moment that solidified her status as a villain to most viewers. And if not that, then her directly telling the viewers that “America can wipe their ass with the BB bucks” was what did it.
- Xavier turning the entire Cookout alliance, except for Hannah, against the eventual AFP winner Tiffany was the moment that solidified his villainy to viewers. Between him doing this in response to her throwing away her closest ally for them, a move that the viewers saw as selfless but Xavier painted to the other houseguests as selfish, along with him convincing the alliance members to go even further and discredit everything else that she did, soured most viewers’ opinion on him for the rest of the game.
- Azah lost most of her remaining fans when she targeted Hannah during the double eviction, despite Hannah just losing her only ally Tiffany, Hannah making it clear beforehand that she wanted to work with Azah but Azah refusing to even consider it (even going so far as to state in a Confession Cam that she was fine with getting fourth place as long as she could guarantee that Hannah would lose) in spite of Hannah being nothing but nice to her the whole season along with Kyland and Xavier clearly being bigger threats to Azah’s game, making it clear that Azah’s move was spite-based rather than strategy-based, and ultimately resulting in making Hannah spend the entire episode looking like she really needed to cry. Her following this up in the live feeds by mocking Hannah for looking scared, among other mean-spirited comments about her, certainly didn’t help.
- Kyland arguably had three of these, ensuring that no one could possibly take his mantle of Big Bad. The first moment that made viewers turn on him was his corruption of Sarah Beth by emotionally isolating her from the rest of the house, and as a result preventing her from having any kind of support network in the house except for him. Sarah Beth seemed to consider the whole situation as outright emotional abuse based on her statements in the Jury House. Then, once the Cookout got to final six, he immediately targeted both Tiffany and Hannah, the two remaining fan favorites, on the grounds that he considered neither of them deserving winners for the season. Most viewers saw this decision as outright sexism considering Derek F was still in the game despite sleeping through most of the season and winning zero challenges, making Kyland’s attempt to argue that Derek F deserved to win more than Tiff or Hannah (who both won multiple challenges and were clearly much more active strategists than DF) come across as nonsensical. And then, if he still had anyone rooting for him, Kyland tried to pick a fight with Xavier while being evicted by telling him he was a bad role model for his nephew, even pushing him on it repeatedly until Julie Chen scolded him into leaving.
- Zach Nielson did this in the eleventh Season of Canada when he tried to blackmail Hope into being punished by production the second he realised he was going to be the Replacement Nominee and tried to talk Ty and Dan into quitting as well.
- The Signature Scene of Big Brother 19 is pretty much everyone (Sans Mark, Kevin, Elena, and Ramses early on) in the backyard yelling at Jessica and Cody at Paul's bequest. Moments like these pretty much solidified the house as the most hated house this side of Big Brother 9 and 15, with Cameron (Evicted Day one) being more liked than half the house. Even poor Megan (who was hated inside the house but not outside), who walked from the agony she faced inside the house, and sweet-natured Jillian, (who was severely unlucky throughout her short run), were more beloved than these contestants. The fact that the final five have only one contestant at near the top of the popularity ratings (Kevin, the one on the outs with the rest) while the other four aside from neutral-rated base-breaker Josh are circling the drain at the bottom, shows how shitty things got in the end.
The only example I left was Todrick Hall's because what the hell is that even.
The BB 23 examples are particularly bad because they were blatantly just written at the time.
I do think that maybe Big Brother 19's could be re-added potentially if anyone really wants to make the argument for it but I doubt the rest will.
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#66: Oct 6th 2023 at 1:52:10 AM
I'd remove Todrick too as I believe MEH should NOT apply to reality shows as it's saying all these people are legit awful people and Todricks in particular wasn't even really focused on. All he did was echo a robber, it fits more Kick the Dog anyway. Like I'd go as far to say NRLEP should be applied to reality shows in MOST (if not all) cases.
Edited by Klavice on Oct 6th 2023 at 1:54:16 AM
Fair warning: I can get pretty emotional and take things too seriously.
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#67: Oct 6th 2023 at 8:59:45 AM
Removed, anyways I think I'm going to snip the Base-Breaking Character page as it's pretty bad.
The Rescued from the Scrappy Heap page had hilarious entries such as Ginamarie and Aaryn so I've removed those and will take a closer look later.
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#68: Oct 6th 2023 at 10:15:30 AM
I feel like BBC examples have to be liked. And though Aaryn isn't hated anymore, yeah people weren't fond of her. She might not be a Scrappy anymore but she's still not liked by a majority. As for GM, yeah that's an easy cut as for the longest time and still even to this day, there are people who absolutely despise her and it's not half and half like McCrae. Andy (who is seen as a good strategic winner but not a good person), and Elissa (who is a victim of being Stunt Cast being Rachel Reilly Villeages' sister. If Judd is still there you can cut him too, he was the most popular character in 15, not that its saying much but still. As for rescued, Aaryn wasn't rescued on the show but rather when she got married so she doesn't count. It'd be like saying Tyler was rescued for his performance on The Challenge USA.
Edited by Klavice on Oct 6th 2023 at 10:18:45 AM
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#69: Oct 18th 2023 at 4:45:02 PM
Yeah I think I'm just nuking it, it's almost entirely complaining
EDIT It is gone.
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- Eddie McGee is technically the first person in the American run to be one of these, from its first season, because he was introduced to us first, and has the tragic aspect of having lost his leg to sarcoma and a single mother, yet behaves with rude and insulting antics toward Jordan and smacks his naked butt on camera mocking her profession.
- William "Mega" Collins is loved for his joyously energetic personality that makes an otherwise boring season fun and what many consider a real pity when he goes out of the house first and the house loses a lot of flavor as a result, but his culturally insensitive comments and over-the-top behavior lead to some of the US version's earliest and nastiest arguments in its pilot season.
- Mike "Boogie" Malin is the American version's original base-breaker. He is one of the most hilarious and competitive contestants, especially when paired alongside Will Kirby, yet an absolutely insufferable little assrag who takes Unsportsmanlike Gloating to new heights. Outside the house, he's a nice guy, however, and said to be quite friendly.
- During Season 8 of the U.S version, both Jen and Evel Dick were simultaneously loved and hated by the fanbase.
- Brendon and Rachel are either loved, or seen as Creator's Pets. Let's go into detail about them, shall we? In US Season 12, but less so in US Season 13, Rachel was an Entitled Bastard Drama Queen expecting everyone to kowtow to her, not unlike other people in the house since then, calling people who didn't side with her "floaters", and being a general Wangster. Brendon wasn't AS bad at first, but he showed an ugly side to him when he agreed with everything his future wife said, even when it was Insane Troll Logic, occasionally abused Rachel (especially on The Amazing Race), and was frightening to some people at how he would White Knight and gloss over Rachel's negative traits, rather than admit she was in the wrong. Though Rachel did gain some Woobie points in AR 24 where it looked like they were going to be eliminated and Won back the crowd by helping another team that they were racing for last, she then lost it all when she said she wanted a Brenchel baby by winning the race to some, others appreciated that she at least tried to help another team. And sure enough within the following year, she got her wish.
- And from Season 13, the double eviction in which two powerful players (Daniele and Jeff) were evicted, Jeff by players he had targeted and accused of being "Floaters" who did nothing to stay in the game claiming that this is the worst season ever. Others were praising the three on their insight to take out the number one target over a jury goat (Rachel) and that Jeff was gone.
- Season 13 in general was either one of the best seasons ever for being consistently dramatic and entertaining. Or you were disappointed and angered at how the veterans seemed to get every single twist directly or indirectly benefiting from it and shaking your head at the Flanderization of the game into a game about competitions.
- Season 14. Dan was either one of the smartest players to ever play the game and was robbed by a bitter jury. Or, Dan played too aggressively and burned too many bridges on his way to the end, while simultaneously never succeeding at getting a large threat out of the house (Ian).
- Season 14 itself, amazing due to how exciting Dan and Ian played the game, or boring due to how the Quack Pack streamrolled the competition, the newbie cast being strategically worse than Season 13, and the riggage towards Frank & Boogie. Danielle and Willie are also two reasons why fans can't find common ground to praise/condemn this season.
- How about Amanda from Season 15? Just mentioning her name anywhere is bound to start up discussion on whether or not her racist comments were justified.
- Similarly, Elissa. General consensus is that she's genuinely likable and wasn't surprised when she won America's Favorite Player, but some dislike her for the fact she's an obvious stunt cast, and some feel that casting her because she's Rachel's sister was an insult. Others hate her more for the fact that she was pretty much guaranteed MVP every week until America took over due to Rachel's fans.
- Similarly, McCrae. He starts off as a nice guy who everyone likes and then he teams up with Amanda... Let's just say despite not having said any of the racist, homophobic, or misogynistic comments, he's considered by many as guilty by association for hanging around with Aaryn and especially Amanda. Other fans still love him and think he's the most likable of the late-game players.
- Andy Herron is among one of the most divisive contestants for being the very epitome of a backstabber who lurks in the background and doesn't really put up or shut up, and using his homosexuality as a platform/excuse to bash women. Yet he still managed to blow out the entire household, and, while nasty and a total rat, was far from the worst person in that house that season.
- Season 15 in general. With the racism, homophobia, misogyny and bullying, in combination with the passive gameplay, it was really disliked by the public. Or it is one of the stronger season in Big Brother, with its memorable moments, tolerable rigging, chilling downfalls, and a complex (albeit unlikable) cast that changes roles events by events (if you want a staggering example, watch how the roles of Elissa or Judd change from start to finish).
- Season 16. Most people agree that the cast is a breath of fresh air after last season, in addition to better design in challenges and a great opening twist. But it's boring, mainly for unshocking eliminations, a dominant alliance that steamrolled the majority of the season and the Battle of the Block twist, which turned out to severely limit the eliminations of strong threats by giving them the chance to get off the block.
- Among the contestants, Derrick. Although wildly considered to have the best game in the house, opinions are divided because of it. Is he a genius masterminding things while no one is the wiser? Or has he (and possibly Frankie) ruined the entire season by making the game exceptionally boring and predictable, and even potentially responsible for the more passive gameplay of future seasons?
- Vanessa of U.S. 17. Some fans think she's easily the most intelligent player in the game, getting out plenty of potential threats and practically going through every week without even being considered a target. Others think she's boring, wangsty, and a bully who abuses Johnny Mac and Steve.
- Steve. People either think he's a brilliant strategist, a Bitch in Sheep's Clothing antisocial who hates Johnny Mac and purposefully got him out, a weasel and floater who has been riding Vanessa's coattails without making many big moves like evicting Vanessa, or the nicest of the final three and the last likable player since John was evicted.
- Season 17 in general. Like Season 14 and 16 before it, it had a dominant alliance that steamrolled the competition, no one was brave enough to go after Austwins or Vanessa and the ones that tried to were quickly eliminated. Also, like BBC2, it had a very good gameplayer voted out at final 3 by a strong male competitor, someone they had underestimated and won in a landslide against a disliked female houseguest. Opinions are divided on whether or not the season was strategic enough and whether the winner deserved it.
- Season 18's winner Nicole. Nicole, a veteran from Season 16, not only Took a Level in Jerkass but she intentionally targeted the other females in the house. So you have people torn on whether they liked her ruthless gameplay or not, and whether or not she deserved it over Paul, who was playing hard from Day 1.
- In an ironic twist, you have Paul returning in Season 19, learning from experience that he can't be everyone's friend and is more than willing to take the full villainous route this time around (he even embraces the appearance of a snake just to get Dominique's goat) after treading around as an Anti-Hero. He drops all pretense of nice and begins playing meaner than ever, weaponizing his charisma to get everyone to rally to his corner and deliberately scheming his way to the top with some gambits, and blasting anybody who doesn't roll over for him. And it doesn't help that house is full of Paul lovers who are considered the most Genre Blind house since BB16.
- Cody and Jessica of that same season. Either they are the most toxic houseguests ever due to being every conceivable form of hateful, be it politically incorrect down to petty, and got what they deserved when Paul rallied the house to give them a taste of their own medicine in force, or the most beloved villainous showmance who was Surrounded by Idiots and dealing with deep-seated personal issues and taking them out on the house.
- Josh is one of the goofiest and silliest oddball houseguests the house has seen since Johnny Mac and easily one of the funniest with his antics keeping things lively, but his Hair-Trigger Temper leaves a lot to be desired. His adoration for kicking people while they are down and his irrational gameplay is also another issue, because either the recipient of his fury is an Asshole Victim, or Josh is being The Bully- and this almost led to Mark getting expelled for violence when he retaliated after being picked on unfairly one too many times. It helps that he drastically mellowed out once the two people who pissed him off most were kicked out of the house (Cody and Jessica), and that he and Mark patched up things after getting into fights with one another and the houseguests have learned to discipline Josh after growing tired of him picking fights. However, something has managed to make him much more favorable with the BB fan circuit near the end of the game- he is the ONLY person who recognizes the real threat Paul poses to his survival and actually wants to snipe out the big boss. Which he manages to do in a roundabout sorta way.
- From Season 20, we have a few people.
- JC, while he was bullied all his life for being short accidentally said the N word when he was trying to explain to Bayleigh about what the M word or F word meant to him. While many people (including former Black contestants) defended JC in saying he was only trying to get Bayleigh to realize the gravity of the words, others argue he really shouldn't have said the word in the first place. The ice cream scooper incident where he put it near his groin also offended viewers.
- While Sam was originally The Woobie of 20, having got screwed by the robot twist and was barely saved by a flip, after becoming HoH she started showing an extremely catty side to her outright refusing to talk game with anyone even Tyler, who comforted her and Slut-Shaming Haleigh and Kaitlyn for cuddling up to the guys. While there are still people who consider her one of the nicer houseguests, others find her fake and hypocritical as she rarely talked to any of the ladies. Many of her naysayers consider her Nicole Franzel 2.0 for teaming up with the guys to get rid of the girls. The house itself is growing tired of her presence by the 70-day mark because she's become emotional and strung out with intermittent breakdowns.
- Bayleigh and Swaggy C. While some found their romance charming and cute especially with their backstories, others found Bayleigh get a catty side when she became HoH similar to Sam but also with her constant usage of the M and F words after JC said they were offensive to him. As for Swaggy some people find him an amusing if a bit self centered person who likes to party with a tragic backstory while others found him easily one of the more grating houseguests and a douche who tried to be a big hammy alliance leader.
- Tyler as well. While some find him entertaining and a ball of fun charismatic alliance leader who is pulling the strings from behind the scenes, others find him guilty by association for siding with people like Brett, Winston, Rachel and Angela all of whom have said some nasty things to other houseguests and not being with the "good" side of the house.
- Angela really takes the cake as of the proceedings leading up to the fifth eviction night and her cocky goodbye message to Rachel, trashing an apparent friendship and revealing her true colors as one of the season's meanest players as she steps up to become a menace in the game after laying low prior to the Jury stage commencing. Some applaud her for stepping up and taking the game seriously, but many people are disgusted with her for trashing Rachel and acting like a pure bitch.
- Rockstar rapidly became a divisive houseguest for expressing intensely liberal views on the live feeds. She frequently expresses strong stances on political and social issues, and also seems to let it influence who she's willing to vote for if she becomes a juror. Her constant breakdowns don't help her image, either, which got tiresome after a while. Her gross hygiene was another major contributor to her infamy.
- Faysal and Haleigh. Faysal for being extremely stupid, petty, and Yandere over Haleigh, especially having become HoH and taking a third option rather than putting two Level Six members up, he puts one member of Level Six, and the only other person left who would even consider being his ally: Scottie of all people just because Haleigh "can't have male friends". This alone would make him a Scrappy but Haleigh kind of saves him from that (normally) being the brains to his brawn and genuinely hating most of his irrational decisions not unlike Caleb Reynolds. Haleigh herself, is also quite divisive for refusing the love of any guy that tries to flirt with her (she even said she's using Faysal to stay out of the crosshairs) including Tyler, Brett, and Faysal. Plus they have been seen by watchers (especially Faysal) as The Bore. All they do is sit around flirting with each other and complaining at each other, which gets VERY old.
- Level Six as a group. Are they a well liked group of people who just happen to be against seemingly the worst alliance in BBUS history and wouldn't last if they had gone against a real alliance like The Brigade or The Detonators? A bunch of bullies and Jerk Jocks who deserve every attack by Zingbot they got? Paul and the Minions 2.0 making the season extremely boring because the winner is so obvious? Nice people that just play dirty? Even the polls can't seem to agree on what they are.
- Season 20 in general. Is it a good season with blindside after blindside and no repeating HoH after the travesty of S19. A boring season where yet another dominant alliance steamrolls the competition? Or is it a combination of the two?
- Season 21's cast, even amongst those that were considered likable are incredibly divisive:
- Christie: Some consider her to be one of the best players in the game, having some sense of morality and flipping on the vote during Nick’s Ho H for their mistreatment of Nicole, and actually trying to play the game in comparison to most of her allies riding off being in a dominate alliance. Many were impressed with her surviving five times the block. Other discredit her for being overly emotional and being Prone to Tears, committing questionable acts and statements as a member of Gr8ful and on the live feeds (i.e. stealing Kemi’s swimsuit while asleep) and for not owning up to her actions.
- Tommy: Either considered the saving grace of Gr8ful as their Token Good Teammate, and for flipping on his formers controversial alliance members by supporters, or despised for being aligned with the “villains” of the season. He was also waste of a player who failed to use his status in the house to play a stronger game towards the jury phase by more hardcore fans. Casual fans seem to find him tolerable enough.
- Cliff: He’s seen as one of the stronger players, subverting The Load status of most Cool Old Guys in Big Brother while being an underdog that played a strong social game to keep him and Nicole safe. Yet, some still have problems with him: agreeing with certain controversial statements in the house, “the wife” aspect, winning Camp Comeback over David and Kemi, and for blindly trusting Michie at the Final Five.
- Jessica: A kind hearted Team Mom and underdog who wasn’t afraid to speak her mind and contributing to one of the most satisfying eliminations at the start of Jury to some, a passive player and boring floater that barely did anything in the house to others.
- Kat: Some find her to be funny and hilarious (especially with the Conspiring Bitches Runnning Gag) and ultimately aligning with the underdogs. Others think she is trying too hard to be America’s Favorite Houseguest and using evidence live feeds as well as factors outside of the game to suggest she may not be as nice of a person as she seems.
- Holly: Gr8ful aside, debates always stem between how strong of a player was she, especially in comparison to her showmance partner. Like the jury, many comment that she played a strong subtle, yet, social game and was never considered a threat even amongst those not in her alliance and was willing to take out stronger threats like Sam, Nick, and Christie, and actually won important comps. Other argue she wasn't dominate enough in the game compared to Michie and felt she rode him all the way to the finale.
- Michie himself, he was considered the ringleader of Gr8ful and despised for breaking rules, targeting David and Nicole, and questionable remarks towards other contestants. As the season went along, he started regaining some fans thanks to his more likeable quirks coming out, separating himself from Jack while realizing himself and his former allies participated in scummy behavior. He also garnered more respect for improving his social game and comp wins while being aware of why America hated him in contrast to Analyse and Christie. By the end, his apology for his actions towards the end and earning his place in the final two warmed the community up to him, but he still remains a polarizing houseguest.
- Season 22, aka: Big Brother All Stars has Tyler and Cody. While not hated per se, they did lose quite a bit of fans for participating in the mockery of Ian with Nicole F and Memphis. Cody would go on to be the most polarizing winner besides Jackson "Michie" and BB9's winner with quite a few people saying while he did get Nicole out, who is almost universally hated, he still was mean to Ian for little reason. Tyler also lost some fans, but got a few back when he tried to use the Black Lives Matter movement as a platform to look like a hero, but then apologized for both of those, some people think he's being disingenuous, having only apologized due to being on National TV and call his niceness in his previous season of BB20 into question.
- Season 23 has a few as well:
- Xavier is seen by some as a master strategist and love how well he outplayed both non-Cookout and Cookout players alike to get himself to the top of the social hierarchy, thinking that he really deserves to win for how well he played the game. Others dislike him for various reasons. Some dislike how he treated Tiffany by guilting her into throwing away her own greatest ally for the sake of their alliance, and then proceeding to be an Ungrateful Bastard about it anyway and turning everyone against her to get her out shortly after. Some dislike that he’s not very entertaining to watch compared to those around him, especially Kyland and Tiffany. And some dislike that he’s a lawyer who’s lying about being a bartender, trying to make the other houseguests think that he needs the money more than he does in reality.
- Kyland is almost unanimously seen as a villain, but the divide is on whether fans love to hate him or just hate him. On the Love to Hate side, there are those who find his antics hilarious and bizarre, such as his tendency to call out the family members of other houseguests and tell them things like “you should have told Tiffany to not lie to me” or “I hope you raised Xavier well enough for him to know that he should honor his deal with me”. Along with rubbing his face in tortillas and wiping plates with his used tissues as unnecessary and bizarre gross habits. On the actual hate side, there are those who dislike how condescending he is to the women in the house, how often he goes back on deals to screw over other players to the extent that he complicated the Cookout mission at multiple points to the chagrin of those trying so hard to hold it together, and telling Xavier that his nephew no longer had a role model (because his father was deceased, implying that Xavier wasn’t a good enough father figure to fulfill that role himself), which even those who love to hate Kyland thought was going too far.
- Britini was continuously getting put on the block and continuously getting upset about it, which divided fans. Some really sympathized with her and saw her as an underdog getting unfairly targeted, noting that she was honorable with her deals and a genuine friend to those she connected with. Along with this, since she is a woman with autism and, game aside, she has achieved some cool life accomplishments such as getting a fourth degree blackbelt in martial arts, some see her as a great role model for autistic women. Others just found her Prone to Tears behavior annoying and were happy when she finally got evicted after her fourth time on the block. There are also those who love seeing her perky side in the Jury house for how fun she is, and those who find that same perkiness annoying due to her excitability dominating many of the conversations, taking camera time away from other the Jury house members they’d like to hear more from.
- Alyssa didn’t get as strong of a reaction, negative or positive, as the other examples from the season, but nonetheless fans were still split on her. Some found her really cute, loved how well she did in the competitions, and even found her hilarious in an ironic way due to how oblivious she was to the Cookout alliance, especially when she jokingly asked Derek F about it and his attempt to lie about it was outright So Bad, It's Good acting yet she somehow believed him anyway. Others disliked that she attempted to use a showmance to get far in the game, and when that failed due to her partner being an early boot, she didn’t try to connect with the other houseguests very much, only forming alliances with Xavier and Hannah because they were the ones who approached her about it first. Similar to Xavier, some also just found her boring to watch compared to other houseguests. However, she won over many of her critics post-game by being much more goofy and friendly with houseguests and fans alike, making those who had disliked her wish that she showed that side of herself more in the actual game.
- Tiffany. A master strategist who basically kept the cookout together and invented it. Did she deserve to win but got screwed by Kyland's Honor Before Reason play (wanting to take a Worthy Opponent in Xavier to the end), or did Tiffany deserve to finish sixth because she voted out all her allies and didn't bother to get herself closer to any members of the Cookout. Fans are also split on the aftermath of her being such a loving Team Mom to Hannah, Derek X, and Claire, with some loving her genuine kindness to the three most obviously sweet houseguests, and others feeling betrayed by her ultimately turning on both Derek X and Claire for the Cookout despite their Undying Loyalty for her. And then there are some who never forgave her unwarranted biphobic comments and general mean-spirited attitude toward Sarah Beth in the house, while others have been willing to forgive it due to a combination of Tiffany genuinely apologizing for it to both Sarah Beth herself and the fans, being nicer to Sarah Beth in the Jury House, and Sarah Beth pulling a Face–Heel Turn during the game anyway.
- The Cookout themselves. Depending on who you ask, they are either groundbreaking for being one of the best performing alliances on the show for getting to the final six without losing any members, not to mention achieving the historic goal of guaranteeing Big Brother its first black winner after 23 seasons, or too racist misogynistic as a group to be likable in spite of the history that they achieved. Specifically, the two strong and independent Cookout women (Tiffany and Hannah) were not only the first ones targeted, but they also had their accomplishments completely discredited by all four other group members and were both treated as if they would be unworthy winners of Big Brother for being “selfish” and “untrustworthy”, despite the two of them indisputably hurting their own games the most for the Cookout’s benefit. (Not just that, but Manipulative Editing pretty much erased Hannah from existence while even the official Big Brother social media didn't consider her a member of the Cookout!) It really seemed that the group considered them “selfish” only because they were confident women who wanted to actually win the game and not just hand the victory over to a man. There are also those argued that Derek X and Alyssa should have been included for also being minorities, and those who recognized that them not being black would have defeated the group’s purpose of guaranteeing Big Brother its first black winner. And then of course there is the contingent of fans who didn’t want race to play such a big role in the season to begin with. Others have even pointed out that if it were the other way around (And they were all white), people would consider them the worst alliance ever, or the fact that any racial comments were dismissed because they were against acceptable targets (for example, multiple members insulted Alyssa because she was half white and Hannah was only brought in because of Tiffany's insistence while others said she was only half black - comments which were apparently directed at Kyland too for being half Mexican)
- Celebrity Big Brother 3 (U.S.).:
- Miesha. Many dislike her for her association with Todrick, who is widely considered the biggest Scrappy of the season, while others dislike her aggressive gameplay. Others didn't like her wanting to get Carson out when Carson was a fan favourite. However, there are also many who like her for actually being a pretty good player and many who felt that she deserved to win more than anyone for the sheer amount of competitions she dominated and her effective manipulation. While many considered her a Jerkass at many points, she was at the very least considered the Lesser of Two Evils between herself and Todrick, and most were still happy to see her win over him regardless of how they felt about her.
- Carson ended up becoming a polarizing houseguest as well. Most agree that he started off being a likable Nice Guy, but Took a Level in Jerkass (and also Took a Level in Dumbass) during his Head of Household reign by listening to the Big Bad duo Todrick and Miesha when they told him to send his ally Shanna home in a backdoor eviction due to her apparently being less honorable than them. After he got voted out himself, he was able to watch livefeed clips and discover how badly he had been manipulated, profusely apologizing to Shanna several times for ruining her game and ultimately voting for Miesha over Todrick in the finale due to seeing that Todrick had treated Shanna much worse between the two of them. While he still won America’s Favorite Player after all of this, fans actually tend to be split on him. Some appreciate that he had the self-awareness to see that he should have treated Shanna better and forgive him since he owned up to his mistakes, allowing these fans to focus on his kindness and humor in the game outside of that situation, while others still consider it the worst game move of the season and dislike that he went along with the house in such a mean-spirited situation, feeling that he didn’t deserve to be crowned the audience favorite after that.
- From the US 24:
- Paloma, despite being an early out, became very disliked for her treatment of Taylor and making most of house unfairly turn against her. When Paloma decided to leave the house due to mental health problems, many were torn over whether or not to see her as a Jerkass Woobie and respect her decision to leave or just a plain Jerkass quitter.
- Simliar to Paloma, Ameerah, Nicole, and Daniel were three of Taylor's biggest bullies. Daniel was hostile in particular for lashing out at Taylor for no reason and just being a rather hateful Jerkass. Many people were divided over whether they were Love to Hate good television, or were they all unpleasant Scrappies who deserved an early exit.
- Kyle became very polarising with the main point of contention being his paranoia over there being a race-based alliance in the house. This is viewed by some as racist, others see it as Innocently Insensitive, others view it as justifiable considering the Cookout.
- Michael. One camp views him as an amazingly strong player. Another camp views him as shifty and underhanded because he had known of Kyle's concern(s) but sat on them for 2-3 weeks.
- The winner, Taylor. While she is a fan-favorite, likable and deserving of being America’s Favorite Houseguest, a few people view her as not deserving because she wasn't as showy as Monte, Turner, or Michael. Others point out that despite what she went through in the first couple weeks, she never punched back, and made efforts to at least talk game with and bond with the jurors on a personal level, something that people fail to do year after year. A third camp views her as a Creator's Pet who only won because people thought it would have looked better on social media.
- The winner of Big Brother Canada 1. Topaz meant to vote for Gary, but because she wasn't paying attention she thought they were voting to evict the final member, not for the person to win. Topaz votes for Jillian, Jillian wins, and everybody - fans and contestants alike- begin debating afterwards who the "real" winner is and what should happen (suggestions ranging from a revote, to simply Jillian handing the money or a portion of it to Gary). Gary, though, is fine with it, citing the previous sentences during the season where rule technicalities played a big part in the game and that the end result was still fair.
- The winner of Big Brother Canada 4, Nicholas and Philippe Paquette seem to be very divisive if comments on Facebook are any indication. Tim was the favourite to win for sure, but many fans saw Nick and Phil as annoying and cringe-inducing having no real gameplay to speak of (only winning competitions when they had to, even losing the final Ho H which could have cost them the game). Unlike many examples though, while they aren't hated, per se, there is a vocal minority who threatened to stop watching all future seasons of Big Brother if Nick and Phil won, making them this.
- Big Brother Canada 4 in general. Was it the best Canadian season thus far with the twist of the players from the UK and Australia giving the cast a good needed seasoning, or did Canada pick the two most annoying houseguests in Big Brother history who should have gone home immediately, but only stayed because of their standing with the house? There's also a camp who tolerates Nikki and Tim, but despises the other houseguests saying the season was only the least bit entertaining because of them, and if they weren't there, they would have quit watching weeks ago.
- Canada 5's winner Kevin. There's no denying he played hard, but is he worthy of being placed next to players like Dan, Tim, and Will, or is he too much of an underdog to really count? Plus you have people saying Ika played a better game because she sided with a newbie and tried to get the other vets out. He's still generally a liked character though.
- Nikki Graeme of BB UK. You will genuinely either love her or hate her because she is the biggest tantrum thrower ever. Her tantrums will either entertain far more than any contestant you've ever seen going nuts or cause migraines... or both. The UK certainly seemed to love her, as when she got evicted for the first time, she got one of the loudest ovations of the entire series, and this is a region which has no qualms about booing the people they openly despise as houseguests and readily campaigning to evict their scrappies. Even crazier— Nikki isn't putting on an act, she's literally this way in real life! Not convinced? Go watch her reality show, Princess Nikki. Yes, they actually made a show just to invoke more Nikki tantrums.
- Marissa Winokur. Many felt like she was an undeserving winner and that the jury was voting for her on principle. Some however pointed out that Ross was a little too aggressive in his gameplay and that it was not simply an all female bloc that voted for Marissa (Brandi still voted for Ross and Chuck voted for Marissa).
- However, many fans did feel that she was one of the most deserving in the cast - she, like Ross, wasn't there to try and get some publicity to advance her career, she wanted to play Big Brother.
- Paras and Kaela in the 6th Canadian season evoked many comparisons to Josh vs Paul in the american season. Kaela played a more showy game where she and Derek controlled the house for weeks, even flipping the votes by appealing to Paras, Maddy, and Will to save Kaela. Paras in contrast was a more behind the scenes type of player (With a lot of Paras's gameplay being limited to feeds where she showed a strong read of the house) who Obfuscated Stupidity until it became clear she was going to go out in fourth, leaving Derek and Kaela with an easy path to victory with Will. Then Paras became unstoppable in comps. Whether or not Kaela should have won or Paras played a very nice type of game is still a point of contention. Not helping this is that Kaela flat out insulted the jury members in her appeals by calling them "babies".
- Big Brother Brasil 22 was full of them:
- Winner Arthur Aguiar is as controversial as he is popular. His fans view him as The Woobie for being targeted by half of the house, especially his "Arch-Enemy" Jade Picon, and for being an outcast even among his group of friends, who were always flip-floppy in strategizing with him. They also praise his argumentation and strategy skills. His detractors, however, view him as manipulative Manchild with a victim complex who makes everything about himself and only won for constantly Playing the Victim Card, even towards his own friends/allies, whom he'd often turn against for the pettiest reasons.
- Initially a popular participant, Jade Picon lost many of her fans after pulling the rug on her former friend Arthur by sending him to the elimination round when she became the leader, even though she had explicitly said she wouldn't. Despite him staying, she repeatedly and almost unilaterally kept targeting him. She was criticized for her arrogance and Smug Snake persona, and for being the "leader" of the Girl Posse (the Lollipop room). However, her fans think her grudge against Arthur was justified, since he was clearly frustrated when she won the leader challenge (since she could no longer be the angel to immunize him), and they admire her boldness in openly challenging him, while Arthur was always reluctant in reciprocating the rivalry. Even with Arthur's detractors she's quite divisive: some think that she saw Arthur's true colors ahead of everyone, but some blame her fixation on him for boosting his popularity because it gave him the perfect field to play the victim.
- For some, Gustavo Marsengo was one of the best players of the season who managed to shake things up in the game's lukewarm dynamic, successfully targeting Scrappies from the Lollipop room, like Brunna, Vyni and Eslovênia, who would've probably remained much longer if not for him. He repeadetly pointed out issues that the others never touched, effectively making him an Audience Surrogate. However, he began a relationship with Laís and kept protecting her despite her also being a "Lollipop", earning him criticism from those who saw him as submissive and hypocritical. He was also at constant odds with the Arthur, earning him contempt from the latter's fans, who even accused him of being influenced by Laís since she was one of Arthur's main opponents. Naturally, he was popular among Arthur's detractors, who admired him for being the only participant who rivaled Arthur's argumentation abilities, being one of the very few who ever managed to defeat Arthur during discussions.
- Linn da Quebrada was viewed by some as a strong player who refused to bow down to Arthur/DG/PA/Scooby's group, and also earned plenty of support for her outspoken representativeness as a black travesti (the second transgender participant ever in the show, and the first since Ariadna in 2011). Others saw her as a hypocrite for being at constant odds with the aforementioned group, but allying herself with the Lollipops, even though her own group (herself, Natália and Jessi) were always targeted by them, who only accepted the three into their posse after the group had almost been decimated. Her Purple Prose speeches at the weekly "discord game" were also divisive.
- As a geniunely charismatic Nice Guy, Pedro Scooby naturally had plenty of supporters, but many viewers disliked his careless "anti-game" playstyle, as he refused to play strategically and claimed to simply act according to his heart (in the very first voting session, he even asked if he could vote for himself for the eviction round).
- Some viewers saw Naiara Azevedo as an annoying loudmouth with no self-awareness, but for that very reason others found her one of the most entertaining participants in an overall boring cast, so they feel like she was evicted too soon.
Edited by Happyfrybreath on Oct 23rd 2023 at 6:57:34 AM
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#70: Oct 24th 2023 at 5:58:57 PM
What An Idiot is Flame Bait right?
The Survivor page doesn't seem too bad but I'm veeeeerrry tempted to cut Big Brother's
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#71: Nov 10th 2023 at 4:23:13 AM
Pinned the first post.
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#72: Nov 27th 2023 at 10:42:21 AM
Paging ~Happyfrybreath for a consistent pattern of bad edits on the Survivor pages.
(As an aside: this happened years ago and you've certainly been corrected since then, but what in the flying fish possessed you to claim that Richard Hatch uses they/them pronouns? He's openly gay, not non-binary.)
Edited by bwburke94 on Nov 27th 2023 at 1:42:50 PM
I had a dog-themed avatar before it was cool.
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#73: Dec 1st 2023 at 5:47:42 PM
I have a habit of using them rather than the preferred pronouns in general, it is certainly not an attempt to claim they are nonbinary, but apologies.
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#74: Dec 1st 2023 at 6:11:05 PM
Would like to hear about this pattern of unfortunate edits, I went through the pages and could only find you reverting one edit. I'm not even sure where you found me referring to Richard as them?
I will admit that edit isn't my best (it looks rather drunk and isn't explained lol), so here's the context behind my removal of that oz link. I'm presuming you aren't aware of this but Survivor Oz had a rather racist podcast about Worlds Apart (specifically in regards to Will Sim's wife, google it) that incidentally caused their viewerbase to decline, so I removed the link.
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#75: Dec 1st 2023 at 6:49:44 PM
That isn't a valid reason for removal, for the record.
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Audience reaction tropes such as The Scrappy and Base Breaking Character can sometimes veer into Real Life Troping due to the nature of Reality Shows. Even if we cut references to events outside the work (e.g. the contestant's social media posts and tabloid headlines) those events may still be an underlying factor in any audience reaction. If so, the reaction is at least partly to the performer, not just the character. With that in mind:
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Following discussion elsewhere and mod feedback, there's a post here
about the way we trope non-contestants.
If the presenters of shows like Big Brother and Survivor aren't in character, should they be considered real life troping and disallowed on Characters pages? Does the same apply to Drag Race judges like Michelle Visage and Alan Carr, or Masterchef's Gordon Ramsay?
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