Ambiguous Name: Shout Out Theme Naming

It's supposed to be for:

But, we have things here like:

Rolling Updates... There are 150 examples on that page to sort through...

Asking for a rename so it's more specific than "Names that follow a theme and are a Shout-Out"...

Since you did show examples that aren't named after characters, I'll open this.

However, I'm thinking we can adjust the description to factor in the misuse as another option. It looks anemic anyways.

I think what takes on the themed names is less important for the trope than the theming itself. As long as it's a theme and not just one or two names.

Remove the people requirement, imo it shouldn't be there in the first place. Also yeah more than just 2.

edited 26th Apr '17 11:07:07 AM by Memers

Agreed. There's no substantive reason that it should be only for people. (not to mention, adjusting the description is going to be way less work that fixing all the wicks.)

Neither this page nor Theme Naming in general are No Real Life Examples, Please!.

- If you're naming a fictional character after another fictional character, that sorta by definition means that it can't happen in Real Life? The full description is:

edited 26th Apr '17 11:29:56 AM by Malady

Naming ships or your kids after a fictional character or gods would be an example to this.

Also 'Character' is artificially restricting the trope.

In Persona 3 for example the name of each the 7 blocks of the dungeon Tartarus are taken from the seven worlds of the Quabalah. Not characters but theme naming all the same.

edited 26th Apr '17 11:37:11 AM by Memers

So... Group Theme Naming, perhaps?

The name is fine, if it a shout out to something fictional, mythological or Historical Domain Character etc and theme of names of persons places or things then it would be this.

My issue is outside of a few direct cases like Gundam Seed example where there are only 2 names on both sides of the shout out, there needs to be at least 3 for there to be a pattern.

edited 26th Apr '17 11:56:29 AM by Memers

Why rename it at all? There's nothing in the name that indicates it needs to be about groups of characters, and that is, frankly, unnecessarily restrictive, unless we want to make more tropes for all the variations, like "Locations named after people", "Items named after locations", "Items named after people", "Locations named after items", "People named after non-fictional people", and so on.

I'm not sure about requiring three for a pattern. There are several examples that are pairs named after pairs, where there is no third on either side of the equation. One isn't enough to establish a pattern, but when you've got two named after two, it is. If two of three or more are named after two of a larger group, then the pattern may be coincidence rather than deliberate, but naming two guns "Beowulf" and "Grendel" is a pretty clear shout-out the the saga — how many people even know a third name from it?

edited 26th Apr '17 12:00:16 PM by Madrugada

- I thought this was a trope about groups of things being named after other groups of things, because this has to be something other than just Theme Naming... ... And being a Shout-Out is a restriction in and of itself... *facepalm*

... There's Religious and Mythological Theme Naming for the entries that fit...

I believe the definition should be changed so the trope isn't limited just to "named after characters from other works".

edited 26th Apr '17 12:21:29 PM by ADrago

I also think the "after characters" requirement is too restrictive. Primarily due to Tropes Are Flexible. I think the difference between Shout-Out Theme Naming and Theme Naming is that one doubles as a Shout-Out.

That said, we do already have Location Theme Naming, so I'm not sure about the location shout-outs being innocuous overlap or a problem. The same with Religious and Mythological Theme Naming.

Ok I was fine with a Theme Naming Subtrope for Shoutouts and such as naming your characters One, Two, Three, Four is different than say naming your characters after mystery writers like Detective Conan does like Conan Edogawa which is from Conan Doyle and Edogawa Rampo but we do not need subtrope she for everything.

Religion is fiction anyway. Really though all should be in 1 trope.

edited 26th Apr '17 12:28:11 PM by Memers

There's so many different theme naming tropes though. I don't think we can really lump them all together... That said, I did look at the wicks of some of them, and Location Theme Naming and Arms and Armor Theme Naming seem to be underperforming. Don't know if that's particularly in the scope of this thread.

• Theme Naming: 3639 wicks
• Shout-Out Theme Naming: 244 wicks
• Location Theme Naming: 92 wicks (page created in 2009)
• Religious and Mythological Theme Naming: 318 wicks
• Alphabetical Theme Naming: 206 wicks
• Animal Theme Naming: 254 wicks
• Arms and Armor Theme Naming: 33 wicks (page created in 2011)
• etc. (did this just real quick-like)

With in mind, I think it would make sense to limit Shout-Out Theme Naming to shout-outs to actual works, rather than any kind of real stuff. I wouldn't include religion, mythology, or folklore either, since those aren't generally specific works as much as settings or general tales, and even if they are, they're covered by other tropes for pretty much the same thing.

Agree

Sorry, double post

edited 27th Apr '17 4:47:48 AM by Getta

Agreed.

So, as said by Another Duck, we're in agreement to do the following?

To ensure that we are in favor, I'll run a single prop crowner.

What about the actual 'theme' requirement? As we were discussing the trope examples are just like 1 name minimum and that is not a 'theme'

As it is, it requires "entire groups of characters" to be named in this pattern. Unless we change the definition, any examples that don't fit that should be deleted.