Unclear Description (wick cleanup): The Hunter

I only just realized this, but would Hunter of Monsters make for a better title than The Monster Hunter? The latter might have an issue with Ambiguous Syntax (and it would save a lot of time on wick cleaning).

edited 2nd Aug '16 2:34:21 AM by Morgenthaler

You've got roaming bands of armed, aggressive, tyrannical plumbers coming to your door, saying "Use our service, or else!"

Um, I do see the ambiguous syntax there, but I don't predict anyone is going to get confused. I can't figure out why the new name you propose would save work in dewicking.

I believe the saved work would be due to the fact that the name would occupy essentially the same spot alphabetically as the old name.

Oh, heh. Right.

So we're agreeing to make The Hunter a disambiguation page, correct?

While I don't actually agree, I at least can let it be if I could know where we can put the example of non-creature hunters.

(Gotta Catch Them All and Gotta Kill Them All sound related, btw.)

We don't need justice when we can forgive. We don't need tolerance when we can love.

I would like Index, but index and disambiguation are pretty similar.

EDIT: Has anyone started on making the move to The Monster Hunter?

edited 28th Dec '16 7:07:27 PM by crazysamaritan

Link to TRS threads in project mode here.

Hunter of Monsters would be better.

You've got roaming bands of armed, aggressive, tyrannical plumbers coming to your door, saying "Use our service, or else!"

Question: For cases of "someone who hunt sapient beings due to believing that they should die", where would it go?

We don't need justice when we can forgive. We don't need tolerance when we can love.

Van Helsing Hate Crimes, I believe.

You've got roaming bands of armed, aggressive, tyrannical plumbers coming to your door, saying "Use our service, or else!"

Bump. So, to finally resolve this, run a second crowner with the alternate title options Hunter of Monsters and The Monster Hunter?

You've got roaming bands of armed, aggressive, tyrannical plumbers coming to your door, saying "Use our service, or else!"

Agree, and I'll take Hunter of Monsters.

We don't need justice when we can forgive. We don't need tolerance when we can love.

Alright, since there have been no objections, here's a new crowner so we can resolve this and get to work.

You've got roaming bands of armed, aggressive, tyrannical plumbers coming to your door, saying "Use our service, or else!"

10:0 in favour of Hunter of Monsters

Link to TRS threads in project mode here.

I submitted the request for a transplant to the edits thread.

Also, I'd forgotten this until I looked over it again, but on the first crowner we had here we also voted to make The Hunter into a new Super-Trope by a fairly substantial margin (12:1). I'll see about setting up a new YKTTW for that; until that's finished, I guess having The Hunter as a redirect to Hunter of Monsters will suffice.

ETA: Here it is.

edited 9th Feb '17 2:26:47 AM by Morgenthaler

You've got roaming bands of armed, aggressive, tyrannical plumbers coming to your door, saying "Use our service, or else!"

Update: The page has been moved to Hunter of Monsters. I've added notes to the FAQ thread, the discussion page, and the Renamed Tropes list.

You've got roaming bands of armed, aggressive, tyrannical plumbers coming to your door, saying "Use our service, or else!"

The description of Hunter of Monsters needs to be updated because it still says "The Hunter" (the old trope name) again and again.

Like this?

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This character has embarked on a Hunt to eliminate all Monsters in the world. They dedicate their life to the genocide of supernatural beings.

Whether this Hunter of Monsters is good or evil depends on how sympathetic the audience is supposed to feel towards their prey. Naturally we see a hunter chasing our protagonist as wrong, but almost all hunters wrestle with fanaticism. Chasing a "good" version of their prey gives the character a chance to resolve that fanaticism, and potentially confront He Who Fights Monsters. Those who are "good" will often be leave some examples of their prey alone because that person isn't evil like the rest. Others don't care about good and evil leading to Van Helsing Hate Crimes

The Hunter of Monsters seeks prey out of the following motivations (these may overlap):

• To protect humans from the dangers of these monsters; making the world safer for human life.
• The creatures are tortured souls who Cannot Self Terminate and eliminating then is a mercy.
• A supernatural authority says that some being shouldn't exist—or the individual believes that it says so, based on personal revelation or scripture—so they consider their Hunt a Mission from God.
• They are part of a special government agency dedicated to keeping their country or world safe from these beings.
• Just plain old profit. The character is a mercenary who hunts their targets because it pays well. This reason often parallels Bounty Hunter.
• These monsters are the ultimate blood sport, and the Hunter is a Blood Knight who enjoys the test of battle.
• They have suffered a terrible loss of some sort at the hands of the creatures, and now seek revenge. This style of Hunter usually has a specific individual among the creatures who is their personal enemy (usually the creature responsible for the wrong in question), and is particularly vulnerable to He Who Fights Monsters.
• Just good old-fashioned Fantastic Racism. Maybe there is just one type of monster with a bad rep that is the target, maybe they hate everything that isn't human.
• They are themselves supernatural beings or Half-Human Hybrid killers who hunt their own kind or the kind of their more monstrous progenitor.
• Pleasure. It was once acceptable for the Great White Hunter to kill tigers, but today they are too endangered for that. So why not start hunting a creature that is just as dangerous as Hunting the Most Dangerous Game, but is much more ethical to kill?

There are plenty of potential overlaps with other tropes:
A Hunter with no fixed home is probably also a Knight Errant. May be a Blue-Collar Warlock if they use magic. Groups or organizations that specialize in killing monsters are a Creature-Hunter Organization.

Contrast with Mary-Sue Hunter (a plot/character trope for killing Mary Sue characters), Occult Detective (an investigator of supernatural mysteries), and Nazi Hunter (the character hunts human "monsters"). For a more exhaustive list of similar hunting-type characters, please see the supertrope; The Hunter.

Subtrope are:

• Demon Slayer
• The Dragonslayer
• Vampire Hunter
• The Witch Hunter

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edited 17th Feb '17 5:33:21 AM by crazysamaritan

Link to TRS threads in project mode here.

^

The only additional change I would make is the Sub-Trope list; Since we've now limited this to someone who hunts supernatural creatures, Nazi Hunter, Vigilante Man, and Serial-Killer Killer don't belong on this list anymore. Though they might be subtropes of the larger "Hunter Archetype" Super-Trope, which would make them sister tropes to Hunter of Monsters.

You've got roaming bands of armed, aggressive, tyrannical plumbers coming to your door, saying "Use our service, or else!"

I hadn't double-checked the earlier posts before writing that, thank you. I edited my post.

Link to TRS threads in project mode here.

Also, wicks to The Hunter need to be changed to reflect the new name where appropriate. If there's a more applicable situation like Vampire Hunter or The Witch Hunter, please more it there.

Courtesy link. I think I've knocked down about 50 up to this point.

You've got roaming bands of armed, aggressive, tyrannical plumbers coming to your door, saying "Use our service, or else!"

Somebody forgot to redirect The Hunter page to Hunter of Monsters. I got it.

If that's okay, I've put them in Big Trope Hunting index. (Nazi Hunter was already there)

We don't need justice when we can forgive. We don't need tolerance when we can love.