Why do we have Dethroning Moment of Suck?: Darth Wiki.Dethroning Moment Of Suck

I just read a ATT about Darth Wiki's quality problems. Dethroning Moment of Suck seems like an official version of Complaining About Shows You Dont Like. It gives people the idea that they can complain about fiction not being exactly what they want. A lot of the time, it's just whining about jokes you don't like, people having opposing views, or other petty things.

It also seems redundant to Wall Banger.

The purpose of those articles is ostensibly to provide people an area in which they can vent without it spilling out onto the main wiki, based on past experiences when they were not separate and were instead mixed in with objective tropes.

I personally believe that WB and DMOS have long since outlived any usefulness they might have.

We should have a crowner.

We'd need a lot more discussion before something so major could be entertained.

Ok, let's search it for bad entries.

Well, for starters, Death Battle had to be locked and basically destroyed, given that fans were adding every battle.

Zero Punctuation was also locked.

Those are derivative works: reviewers and fan battlers about which there will always be fierce differences of opinion. One possible solution is to restrict examples of DMOS and WB to original works only.

edited 2nd Nov '15 12:38:11 PM by Fighteer

I'll note that the Trope Repair Shop is the place for this discussion.

TRS is still in the lockdown set 2 months ago because of the backlog.

I think restricting those to non-derivative works is a good place to start. People use it as an excuse to bitch about how they don't like opposing opinions, which shouldn't be tolerated unless it can be discussed in a civil manner (which these pages are not).

What is the point of a ban on derivative works? A slippery slope?

It's an attempt to clamp down on the toxicity of DMOS and WB without actually killing them and pissing a lot of people off thereby. It's a half-measure. Of course, fans have proven that they can go nuts over original works as well, as seen in the Mass Effect 3 affair.

edited 2nd Nov '15 1:27:29 PM by Fighteer

Okay, so can we cut That Guy With The Glasses?

I mean, nearly all the shows involve reviews of some kind or the other.

They have the movies and skits that are more satire than review. We can't cut it wholesale, but we can cull the fuck out of it if this goes through.

Any other Moments that need to be cleaned?

I pick Cracked. It's not a work of fiction, but rather a website, As You Know. SO much of the entries involve bitching about jokes that the tropers didn't find funny, or viewpoints that they disagreed with.

That happens a lot of time in comedy shows. People complain about jokes they don't find funny.

I think we could keep the pages for works about reviews, just don't allow any entries that only talk about the reviewers opinions (since they would be either Fan Hater entries or Complaining About People Not Liking the Show).

A lot of the entries for Family Guy and South Park are complaining about jokes they didn't find funny. The two shows are both Black Comedy, and meant to offend

See "Just Joking" Justification.

Honestly, I believe that it's a good place for venting the problems of a show that anger us. Without it, we would probably just be screaming at each other on the forums, or even make a Flame War on the YMMV pages, like in the past.

I have no problem with isolating the DMOS and Wallbanger pages, which we have already done, as per Flame Bait rules.

Though admittedly part of this is because I have quite a few examples I'm proud of, so I'll admit a bias towards keeping the pages.

Honestly, I think this site would be much better without the DM pages, even though I've contributed to one of them (the Rugrats one). They don't add much to the wiki as a whole, and are better suited for forum threads or blogs.

edited 1st Dec '15 10:52:49 PM by YasminPerry

If we're looking for examples of DMOS's problematic nature outside derivative works, then how about this gem from the Frozen section. Tropers have written an essay about how Anna punching Hans was her Moral Event Horizon^{WATCH OUT} Not Hyperbole, the trope is potholed twice that takes up more than half the page.

It's quite a read.

Or just not at all. Constructive criticism is one thing, but I don't think Complaining About Shows You Dont Like really has or warrants a place on our site. We are, at heart, about celebrating fiction.

edited 2nd Dec '15 1:00:03 PM by TobiasDrake

I'm all for getting rid of the DMOS pages. I've never seen the point of them besides being a license to whine about anything, including the most ridiculous things (as shows).

As for the point raised by stewyworks333 there , I keep hearing about it but do we have any reason to believe that it's true? That without DMOS we'd be flooded with complaining and flame wars and the like?

I think we need a crowner soon about this. (I'll definitely be voting "yes".)

I say "no." Or more specifically, "why not?"

Unlike Troper Tales which was genuinely embarrassing to the site (seriously, so many other sites made fun of those), it's a place to air their vitriol in an often entertaining manner. And I think it's a good thing. Speaking from personal experience, posting a DMOS very much negates my desire to shoehorn something onto the YMMV to make myself heard.

It's separate from the rest of the site so I don't even feel like it drags it down.

Just my two cents.

D Mo S and Wallbangers are too mean spirited for my taste. Really, they're just people raging on about things they don't like, even if the reasoning is BS.