Is this an example?

I would only count remakes if they're part of a larger series continuity that relies on the events that where changed from the original game. Within a single game, it's a work of its own, and then it's just a slightly new story, comparable to a reboot.

I think a language example is specific. It refers to a specific quirk or word meaning of a language. However, of the two examples there, the first is generic ("in many languages there's no distinction") and the second specific ("in this language these words make no distinction"). What's more arguable is whether they count as examples in the first place, although I think they're notable and relevant enough.

edited 12th Jun '15 12:54:25 PM by AnotherDuck

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x2 The remake in question (Pokémon Omega Ruby and Alpha Sapphire, remakes of Pokémon Ruby and Sapphire) does not actually affect the events of later games, though some events from Pokémon X and Y (which are the last games in the confirmed timeline) do affect ORAS via a event that happened 3,000/5,000 years beforehand. It's complicated, so here's the explanation given by the page.

• Alternate Universe: The Delta Episode implies that the remakes are alternate universes to the original Ruby and Sapphire games, with the nails being the fact that the evolution of Pokémon took a slightly different path, the existence of the war in Kalos and the discovery of Mega Evolution. It's also implied that the different versions of each game could be alternate universes to each other (a fact that had already been explored somewhat in Black and White); when you first enter the Battle Resort in Alpha Sapphire, Maxie muses that perhaps, in another reality, he was the one you fought, and summoned Groudon. Archie does the same in Omega Ruby.

Also, where would I added the Subversion mention when there are multiple bullets?

• Retcon:
  • It was originally stated that examples of Mega Evolution can only be found in the Kalos region. Come these games, and not only can Mega Evolution be found in Hoenn, it's also implied to be the true birthplace of Mega Evolution rather than the Kalos region like in Pokémon X and Y.
  • A short cutscene plays in X and Y that implies that the Fairy-type was discovered only recently^note Although the cutscene could just be for the player's benefit. Come these games, and not only do the Pokémon who were retconned to be at least part-Fairy keep said retconnned typing, the Fairy Tale Girls are added to various routes and speak of Fairy-typed Pokémon as if they've been known for a while. This is in spite of the fact that these games come before X and Y in the series' timeline.
  • Due to the former's prevalence during the Delta Episode, Rayquaza and Reshiram/Zekrom had their catch rates (3 and 45) swapped. Groudon and Kyogre's catchrates have also been reduced from 5 to the more common among legendaries 3. Anti-Frustration Feature, need to edit this one out later.
  • To tie the Weather Trio, the Delta Episode, and the origins of Mega Evolution together, Sootopolis has been changed from a dead volcano to the crash site of a massive meteor that unveiled an abundant well of natural energy.

edited 13th Jun '15 12:31:52 AM by Karxrida

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In a Massively Multiplayer Crossover, a Badass Crew is formed from characters that made a big name for themselves among their respective fandoms (perhaps even beyond them). Is this an example of All-Star Cast, or is it Dream Team?

For reference's sake, Kingdom Hearts gives a good idea of what the concept looks like: Among the Loads And Loads Of Characters (barring the Original Generation), both playable and non-playable, you have such big names as Mickey Mouse, Donald Duck, Goofy, Jiminy Cricket, various Disney Princesses, Simba, Stitch, Jack Sparrow, TRON, Squall Leonhart, SeiferAlmasy, Cloud Strife, Aerith Gainsborough, Tifa Lockhart, Zack, Sephiroth, and many others.

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Dream Team is when they're good at what they're collected to do. The Expendables seems similar to your example, but the difference is that there the actors are the ones especially famous for Hollywood Action Hero roles, in a pastiche of Hollywood Action Hero films. On the other hand, Kingdom Hearts is a Video Game with Disney characters, famous for cartoons rather than video games. It's sort of like collecting the best hockey players from all over the world and have them play football as a team. They're not a Dream Team when it comes to that sport.

All-Star Cast is about the actors, not the characters, so that doesn't quite fit either. It would perhaps fit if the characters are basically cast into a role In-Universe, but even that's maybe a bit of a stretch.

edited 14th Jun '15 6:30:25 AM by AnotherDuck

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And famous Squaresoft/Square Enix video game characters. The point is that many of the characters are the fictional character equivalent of real-life A-list and upper B-list Hollywood stars. It seems like a "meta" example of All-Star Cast, in that it's about how famous and popular the fictional characters are rather than the actors behind them (if any; several of them are silent characters by the very nature of their original work being completely lacking in voice-acting).

edited 14th Jun '15 8:17:37 AM by MarqFJA

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One, that quote was about Dream Team, not All-Star Cast. Two, "famous for" is not the same as plain "famous" or "A-list", so don't pretend it is. If you're going to quote, do it properly.

I don't think actors and characters are equatable like that. If you have a Massive Multiplayer Crossover, you're going to pick the most notable characters for the most part. And as long as you own them, there's nothing stopping you from doing so. "Someone wrote a story featuring these famous characters" isn't quite the same as, "some production gathered all these famous actors for a film".

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Want to add this to Trvia.Smogon, but I'm not entirely sure it fits so posting here.

• Executive Meddling: A Suspect Test (the process the site uses to determine whether or not something is overpowered) for the Shadow Tag ability in the Ubers tier was held in late 2014, just before Omega Ruby and Alpha Sapphire were released. The result was that the ability got banned, but controversy surrounding how the tier's leadership handled the voting process and potentially abused their power led to the site owner overturning the decision.

Also I'm still not sure how to mention the subversion of retcon that falls with proper Example Indentation.

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Does the baby in this image◊ (from the anime Mama wa Shougaku 4 Nensei) qualify as an example of Girlish Pigtails? The trope seems to require that the hairstyle involve two "tails", while the girl only has the single tail that's visible in this shot.

edited 18th Jun '15 1:29:40 PM by MarqFJA

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I don't think that would be an example since babies in general already denote innocence regardless of what hairstyle they have and the trope is only limited to having pigtails.

On second thought that is true...

edited 18th Jun '15 1:44:52 PM by MacronNotes

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It's not the same hairstyle, so no. However, that kind of style is probably even more childish than Girlish Pigtails are.

Nothing says you can't reinforce an already obvious image, though.

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So there's no existing trope that applies to that baby's hairstyle as a visually based extra emphasis of her innocence and cutesiness?

edited 18th Jun '15 2:54:59 PM by MarqFJA

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You mean we don't have a page for it. The trope probably exist, like the one in that example. I'm pretty sure I've seen that hairstyle associated with babies and small children before, often because they're so young they don't have enough hair for a proper ponytail yet, and it looks a little like Idiot Hair (which is a type of innocence).

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I don't think we have it but it's an example or maybe a subtrope of Expository Hairstyles.

edited 18th Jun '15 3:32:58 PM by MacronNotes

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Well, on a different topic... Superman has a Hundred Percent Adoration Rating entry where it reads: "Everyone in Metropolis loves him, and he loves them back."

Problem: That ignores the unambiguously proven fact that Metropolis is inhabited by its fair share of unrepentant criminals (you know, all those bank robbers and other unsavory sorts that Superman and other Metropolis-based superheroes often intercept and hand over to the police every now and then), including people that are villains through and through, such as Lex Luthor. It would be more accurate to say that so many of Metropolis's law-abiding, non-villainous citizenry/residents totally love him that the most precise estimate of their number is just a few decimal values short of 100%, i.e. it's not really inaccurate to round up the effectively 99.99% value to 100% for convenience's sake. Does that still make him a straight example of the trope?

PS: I had just edited the entry in question to clarify the original statement before I thought of putting the issue here.

edited 20th Jun '15 6:38:59 PM by MarqFJA

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A few dissenters doesn't disqualify anyone from the trope. It's not about exactly everyone, but just about everyone.

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• Badass Cape: Inverted, In-Universe. To address his team shortcomings, Tatsuya hands out magic-imbued cheap-looking grey cloaks and as the showdown match in "Nine School Competition" arc is about to begin, one of the mates unhappily notes how he's likely a laughingstock to a certain girl at the moment. Cut to that girl holding her sides all but rolling on the floor laughing.

Can things like these work? Multiple qualifiers, that is, may mean shoehorning rather than flexibility.

edited 21st Jun '15 2:21:13 AM by SetsunasaNiWa

Really? I could've sworn I was told otherwise somewhere around here in the past year.

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Tropes Are Flexible. Or should we remove every single example where the adored person has even one enemy?

As an inversion, it's mainly just a ridiculous piece of clothing, so it specifically being a cape has less of a purpose than for the straight version. But also, that's probably what an inversion of the trope would look like, so I'm unsure.

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Hey, I'm not disagreeing with what you said. I'm just saying that I thought the generally accepted judgment was otherwise due to a past discussion (which, unfortunately, I no longer remember the details of, be it the other discussion party or the main topic).

edited 21st Jun '15 7:23:56 AM by MarqFJA

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And I'm arguing against whoever argued that. Even if it was me way back then.

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The following example in Improbable Age: "* Ridiculously common in series about wild animals with social structures involving a single leader. The example that comes most clearly to my mind is the anime series Ginga Nagareboshi Gin, and for that matter, its sequel, Ginga Densetsu Weed too. Somewhat justified however, in that many animals including dogs are considered more or less adults within a few years old."

That's a general example, for one thing. For another, it denies itself. Cut.

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Okay, thanks.

Not sure if this could be considered a riff on All Anime Is Naughty Tentacles or if it is just more a parody of the (now defunct and gone) Naughty Tentacles trope:

• In the first episode of Mad Men's third season, Lane Pryce, one of the new executives, is admiring one of Mr. Cooper's characteristically unusual office decorations, a Japanese painting of a woman being ravished by a giant octopus and apparently, er, enjoying herself.
  —>Cooper: Who was the man who imagined her in ecstasy?
  —>Pryce: Who indeed.

edited 22nd Jun '15 11:22:26 AM by SolipSchism

I don't think it's All Anime Is Naughty Tentacles, since first it's just a singular occurence, and second it's not about anime. Unless maybe it's an anime-style painting, but the first I thought of was a rather old painting of that (look up "Dream of the Fisherman's Wife" if you're curious and not at work or otherwise not capable of looking at family unfriendly stuff).

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